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Did you hear how Gregg Williams said that without Springs in there he needs to keep the safeties back to protect the long ball (like that is working anyway). When this defense rocked it was all centered around an impressive blitz attack.....without it we are exactly where we stand now.....in deep trouble.

I just don't get it....they are getting the deep threats anyway but at least if you put some pressure on the QB that itself might take the threat away.

Is it me or is everything revolving on this team is about being safe.... which is getting us nowhere fast…..for example our QB doesn’t make any mistake…..oh yeah he doesn’t make the plays either…..which might not entirely be his fault….I personally do not see the play calling to spread the field by THROWING THE BALL! oh wait......that wouldn't be too safe. sheeeeeesh!

ike075 wrote:Did you hear how Gregg Williams said that without Springs in there he needs to keep the safeties back to protect the long ball (like that is working anyway). When this defense rocked it was all centered around an impressive blitz attack.....without it we are exactly where we stand now.....in deep trouble.

I just don't get it....they are getting the deep threats anyway but at least if you put some pressure on the QB that itself might take the threat away.

Is it me or is everything revolving on this team is about being safe.... which is getting us nowhere fast…..for example our QB doesn’t make any mistake…..oh yeah he doesn’t make the plays either…..which might not entirely be his fault….I personally do not see the play calling to spread the field by THROWING THE BALL! oh wait......that wouldn't be too safe. sheeeeeesh!

Dude, if we're getting scorched with help over top, what do you think is going to happen in a 1-1 situation? We blitz a lot, especially with Marcus but they dont get through in time.

Are you able to watch Redskin games?

I pray every third down that the Redskins won't blitz! Because most of the time they show the blitz WAY to early and let the QB adjusted the blitz blocking and the blitz doesn't get to the QB and the Skins get beat deap. This has been a common theme ever since GW has been here. That Buddy Ryan deffense only works consitantly if you have probowlers at every possition and you have to get a push by the D line.

Side notes: The team is 6 and 0 in games the Joe Salevea doesn't play in! I'm not saying it is his fault, but every game that he hasn't played in since this he has been on this theam the Skins have won.

Brunell... COULD YOU PLEASE STEP UP INTO THE POCKET!

I really like Gregg Williams. But I was really surprised that he did not blitz much. Offenses will make plays, it's inherent in the game. But those plays can be limited by a good pass rush and the blitz. I did not like the defensive game plan for this game. The blitz's and disguised formations are the main staples in William's defenses and is why he is so successful. Why turn away from that? When a qb has all day to sit in the pocket, he will eventually find somebody open.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

ike075 wrote:Did you hear how Gregg Williams said that without Springs in there he needs to keep the safeties back to protect the long ball (like that is working anyway). When this defense rocked it was all centered around an impressive blitz attack.....without it we are exactly where we stand now.....in deep trouble.

I just don't get it....they are getting the deep threats anyway but at least if you put some pressure on the QB that itself might take the threat away.

Is it me or is everything revolving on this team is about being safe.... which is getting us nowhere fast…..for example our QB doesn’t make any mistake…..oh yeah he doesn’t make the plays either…..which might not entirely be his fault….I personally do not see the play calling to spread the field by THROWING THE BALL! oh wait......that wouldn't be too safe. sheeeeeesh!

Dude, if we're getting scorched with help over top, what do you think is going to happen in a 1-1 situation? We blitz a lot, especially with Marcus but they dont get through in time.

Are you able to watch Redskin games?

If we blitz the QB then he will A) be rushed to actually pass quickly and b) the receivers that would be 1-1 would not be able to be 20 + yards down field yet so if we are scorched it would be short yardage vs. the long yardage we already getting scorched with anyway.

Oh yeah since I am able to watch the games I am able to see the QB have all the time in the world to find a open receiver.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:
Dude, if we're getting scorched with help over top, what do you think is going to happen in a 1-1 situation? We blitz a lot, especially with Marcus but they dont get through in time.

Are you able to watch Redskin games?

Do you?

Because that's a complete fabrication.

We aren't blitzing at all... I don't remember a SINGLE blitz call before the 4th quarter yesterday. And even if we are blitzing this year... we're sending ONE extra guy... not like in the last couple of years where Williams might even send EIGHT men total.

If you couldn't 'hide' a porous secondary with a good pass rush and blitz, then the Eagles defense would ALWAYS suck. But Johnson uses aggressive blitzing to hide the issue... Williams has in the past too... but not this year.

According to you, the free safety can't possibly cover the # 1 WR anyway, so out of curiosity, what's the point in providing the help over the top?

Yeah, the shawn springs excuse for not blitzing just doesn't make sense. How can one cb make the difference? Seems like we should blitz more so the opposing QB won't have time to go deep.

funbunchfever wrote:Yeah, the shawn springs excuse for not blitzing just doesn't make sense. How can one cb make the difference? Seems like we should blitz more so the opposing QB won't have time to go deep.

Bingo

BossHog wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:
Dude, if we're getting scorched with help over top, what do you think is going to happen in a 1-1 situation? We blitz a lot, especially with Marcus but they dont get through in time.

Are you able to watch Redskin games?

Do you?

Because that's a complete fabrication.

We aren't blitzing at all... I don't remember a SINGLE blitz call before the 4th quarter yesterday. And even if we are blitzing this year... we're sending ONE extra guy... not like in the last couple of years where Williams might even send EIGHT men total.

If you couldn't 'hide' a porous secondary with a good pass rush and blitz, then the Eagles defense would ALWAYS suck. But Johnson uses aggressive blitzing to hide the issue... Williams has in the past too... but not this year.

According to you, the free safety can't possibly cover the # 1 WR anyway, so out of curiosity, what's the point in providing the help over the top?

I thought I saw M. Washington and Lemar blitzing quite often.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

BossHog wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:
Dude, if we're getting scorched with help over top, what do you think is going to happen in a 1-1 situation? We blitz a lot, especially with Marcus but they dont get through in time.

Are you able to watch Redskin games?

Do you?

Because that's a complete fabrication.

We aren't blitzing at all... I don't remember a SINGLE blitz call before the 4th quarter yesterday. And even if we are blitzing this year... we're sending ONE extra guy... not like in the last couple of years where Williams might even send EIGHT men total.

If you couldn't 'hide' a porous secondary with a good pass rush and blitz, then the Eagles defense would ALWAYS suck. But Johnson uses aggressive blitzing to hide the issue... Williams has in the past too... but not this year.

According to you, the free safety can't possibly cover the # 1 WR anyway, so out of curiosity, what's the point in providing the help over the top?

I thought I saw M. Washington and Lemar blitzing quite often.

Saw the same. While Manning was never sacked, he was hit (clobbered even) at least 3-4 times right after releasing the ball. The pressure wasn't nearly as much as it needed to be, but it was there at times.

I thought I saw M. Washington and Lemar blitzing quite often.

I agree 100%. Saw those 2 blitzing a lot throughout the game.

Mursilis wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

BossHog wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:
Dude, if we're getting scorched with help over top, what do you think is going to happen in a 1-1 situation? We blitz a lot, especially with Marcus but they dont get through in time.

Are you able to watch Redskin games?

Do you?

Because that's a complete fabrication.

We aren't blitzing at all... I don't remember a SINGLE blitz call before the 4th quarter yesterday. And even if we are blitzing this year... we're sending ONE extra guy... not like in the last couple of years where Williams might even send EIGHT men total.

If you couldn't 'hide' a porous secondary with a good pass rush and blitz, then the Eagles defense would ALWAYS suck. But Johnson uses aggressive blitzing to hide the issue... Williams has in the past too... but not this year.

According to you, the free safety can't possibly cover the # 1 WR anyway, so out of curiosity, what's the point in providing the help over the top?

I thought I saw M. Washington and Lemar blitzing quite often.

Saw the same. While Manning was never sacked, he was hit (clobbered even) at least 3-4 times right after releasing the ball. The pressure wasn't nearly as much as it needed to be, but it was there at times.

Rushing a QB is not blitzing. Not only did I not see the typical blitzing of the redskins but that Quote from Greg Williams was brought up during the game when the announcers were surprised not to see any blitz pressure by the redskins.

ike075 wrote: Rushing a QB is not blitzing. Not only did I not see the typical blitzing of the redskins but that Quote from Greg Williams was brought up during the game when the announcers were surprised not to see any blitz pressure by the redskins.

Bingo. Marcus lining up in a 3-point on 3rd and long, doesn't make it a blitz. I remember just ONE corner blitz and it got picked up so easily by Brandon Jacobs that it was a complete waste of time... of course, that'll happen when the CB 'sneaks' up to the line 10 full seconds before the QB snaps the ball.

How many safety blitzes? I don't remember any. It's fine to bag on Archuletta because he isn't very good in coverage, but is it really AA's fault that the Redskins aren't using him at what he's good for at all? In fact, they're HIGHLIGHTING his shortcomings with what they're asking him to do. Maybe if you let the guy do what he's good at and was BROUGHT IN TO DO... he might look like a little better acquisition.

BossHog wrote:

ike075 wrote: Rushing a QB is not blitzing. Not only did I not see the typical blitzing of the redskins but that Quote from Greg Williams was brought up during the game when the announcers were surprised not to see any blitz pressure by the redskins.

Bingo. Marcus lining up in a 3-point on 3rd and long, doesn't make it a blitz. I remember just ONE corner blitz and it got picked up so easily by Brandon Jacobs that it was a complete waste of time... of course, that'll happen when the CB 'sneaks' up to the line 10 full seconds before the QB snaps the ball.

Yeah, when he tipped the blitz that early, I thought "I hope that is a fake!" Shouldn't there be a back-up play that the team can switch to if they tip off of the blitz that badly? I remember Arrington used to have a bunch of trouble with that those times he played last year.

Question. Why is that considered a rush and not a blitz?

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Question. Why is that considered a rush and not a blitz?

Same question. I've always thought a blitz was any rush by a player other than a DT/DE/NT. Now obviously, if a player who plays LB lines up as a DE, that's not a blitz, but was Marcus ever lining up in place of a DE, instead of next to a DE? I don't remember seeing that.

I think of a blitz as anything that sends more than the standard 4 rushers.

A blitz is a play where a defender (linebacker or defensive back) attempts to cross the line of scrimmage when they normally would not.

So any attempt by a linebacker to pass the line of scrimmage (LOS) is normally considered a blitz; HOWEVER, when the LB lines up in a 3-point... whether he is a linebacker or not... once he gets into that 3-point, he's thought of as an end being played by a linebacker that is rushing the quarterback... not as a linebacker who is blitzing.

To be honest, a lot of people see that 3-point as optional too these days... if the LB lines up AT the LOSin an obvious passing situation, he's generally considered a rusher, not a blitzer... but I think that much is open to personal interpretation.

Blitzes are usually actually defense calls too. The formation and responsibilities throughout account for someone who wouldn't normally try to cross the LOS, trying to do so. On any given play, the guys lined up on the LOS are expected to 'rush' the passer... any other player on the field is blitzing.



But Gregg Williams has said HIMSELF that they have NOT been blitzing because of the secondary play. I'm not really sure why we're arguing whether they have or not when the DC hiomself has stated several times that he is not, and what his reasons were for not doing so.

Wax poetic about whether or not they SHOULD, or about the results of what not doing so are, but I think when you have it from the horse's mouth that they haven't been blitzing... it's safe to say that they haven't been calling many designed blitzes.

Sure there are plays scattered throughout where thy do, but for all intents and purposes, this is a shell of the aggressive defenses that Gregg williams has put forth in the recent past... both in aggression through the blitz, and unfortunately, in the results as well.

The simple and sad truth is that the skins have NO, NADA, ZIP, in the way of pass rushers. If any of you THINK Andre Carter is, he's not! If you want to see what one looks like, well actauly 4, take a look at Philly because they rotate 4 DE's who consistantly put pressure in the offensive backfield. They, as BOSSHOG stated, have been able to cover-up a suspect secondary with a tremendous front 4. The Redskins can't even say they have 1 guy who plays on that line that is a threat. If the skins could have gotten into the backfield more often, no way the giants score 19. This defense will not be fixed this year or next until that front four is able to put a consistant hurt on the opposing offensive line and backfield.

BossHog wrote:A blitz is a play where a defender (linebacker or defensive back) attempts to cross the line of scrimmage when they normally would not.

So any attempt by a linebacker to pass the line of scrimmage (LOS) is normally considered a blitz; HOWEVER, when the LB lines up in a 3-point... whether he is a linebacker or not... once he gets into that 3-point, he's thought of as an end being played by a linebacker that is rushing the quarterback... not as a linebacker who is blitzing.

To be honest, a lot of people see that 3-point as optional too these days... if the LB lines up AT the LOSin an obvious passing situation, he's generally considered a rusher, not a blitzer... but I think that much is open to personal interpretation.

Blitzes are usually actually defense calls too. The formation and responsibilities throughout account for someone who wouldn't normally try to cross the LOS, trying to do so. On any given play, the guys lined up on the LOS are expected to 'rush' the passer... any other player on the field is blitzing.



But Gregg Williams has said HIMSELF that they have NOT been blitzing because of the secondary play. I'm not really sure why we're arguing whether they have or not when the DC hiomself has stated several times that he is not, and what his reasons were for not doing so.

Wax poetic about whether or not they SHOULD, or about the results of what not doing so are, but I think when you have it from the horse's mouth that they haven't been blitzing... it's safe to say that they haven't been calling many designed blitzes.

Sure there are plays scattered throughout where thy do, but for all intents and purposes, this is a shell of the aggressive defenses that Gregg williams has put forth in the recent past... both in aggression through the blitz, and unfortunately, in the results as well.

Boss,
That is not true. A normal rush is when four players rush (no matter what position they play). A dog is when 5 players rush the passer and a blitz is when 6 or more players rush the QB. However, I must admit that most fans recognize a blitz as anytime some one other than the down-lineman rush. If you send all of your LBs and drop 2 D-lineman you are doing what many people call a zone blitz, but it is actually a "dog", because only 5 players are rushing the QB. Now I know most people call it a blitz whenever a LB or DB rushes the QB, (and yes if a LB gets in a 3 point stance and replaces a DL then he is now a down lineman), but you actually have to send six or more for it to be a Blitz!

Now, I saw a ton of "dogs" in the game and a few blitzes in the game and almost every time they actually blitzed the QB the Giants made a big play. If you went through and looked at each game I'm sure the Offenses we have faced have made many more plays against are blitz then we have made good plays on D.

Mursilis wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

BossHog wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:
Dude, if we're getting scorched with help over top, what do you think is going to happen in a 1-1 situation? We blitz a lot, especially with Marcus but they dont get through in time.

Are you able to watch Redskin games?

Do you?

Because that's a complete fabrication.

We aren't blitzing at all... I don't remember a SINGLE blitz call before the 4th quarter yesterday. And even if we are blitzing this year... we're sending ONE extra guy... not like in the last couple of years where Williams might even send EIGHT men total.

If you couldn't 'hide' a porous secondary with a good pass rush and blitz, then the Eagles defense would ALWAYS suck. But Johnson uses aggressive blitzing to hide the issue... Williams has in the past too... but not this year.

According to you, the free safety can't possibly cover the # 1 WR anyway, so out of curiosity, what's the point in providing the help over the top?

I thought I saw M. Washington and Lemar blitzing quite often.

Saw the same. While Manning was never sacked, he was hit (clobbered even) at least 3-4 times right after releasing the ball. The pressure wasn't nearly as much as it needed to be, but it was there at times.

On the Plexiglass throw, i was pretty sure that Andre Carter was about 1/2 second too late in getting to Manning. But he got a good lick on him.

Good coaches have the ability to check their egos and understand that other teams are paid to figure out what you're doing. If you do the same thing over and over, people will figure it out.

Gregg needs to learn how to alter what he's doing to recognize that it's no longer as effective as when people weren't expecting it.

Wiki says this about it:

There is some confusion among average fans as to what constitutes a blitz. Blitz is colloquially used to describe any time a LB or DB crosses the line of scrimmage when in actuality, a blitz is defined as the defense rushing the QB with more men than the offense has accounted for and can block. For example, if the defense rushes 5 men, that does not constitute a blitz (as a minimum of 5 blockers are on the offensive line).

More info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blitz_%28A ... ootball%29

nnskinsfan wrote:Wiki says this about it:

There is some confusion among average fans as to what constitutes a blitz. Blitz is colloquially used to describe any time a LB or DB crosses the line of scrimmage when in actuality, a blitz is defined as the defense rushing the QB with more men than the offense has accounted for and can block. For example, if the defense rushes 5 men, that does not constitute a blitz (as a minimum of 5 blockers are on the offensive line).

More info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blitz_%28A ... ootball%29

correct, 5 is a "dog"

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Interesting - did not know before that a LB could rush the QB and it would NOT be a blitz if he was only the 5th guy.