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This is good as our offense gets? 3 Points? And we didn't even earn THOSE points, we got them basically on a bogus penalty?

The Giants defense is not even that good. There is no excuse for this. None at all.

Bench Brunell.

Just a disgusting effort in a season changing game. Losses will happen of course, but for me, the first drive we had in the second half just about made me puke.

We drive all the way to the 25 of NY, and PASS ON THIRD AND 1????? Then, insult to injury is NOT RAMMING IT DOWN THEIR THROATS on 4th down, instead we rope hook a FG.

Then, to top it off, I go out to get away from football, come home and watch as WALT HARRIS records his 3RD (THIRD), as in hat trick, interception of the day.

Man. I guess we'll beat Tennessee, and Indy did not look good today, but holy cow, this team of ours is really perplexing. I just don't get it, AT ALL.

Bad coaching, bad play calling, terrible secondary, dominated on both lines. Just awful. Just pathetic.

Any ideas what Chicago would do to this team right now?

The offense couldn't get into a rythmn because the offensive line was so bad, and because the defense couldn't help us build any momentum.

The offense couldn't get into a rythmn because the offensive line was so bad, and because the defense couldn't help us build any momentum.

The offensive line wasn't that bad in the first half. CP had over 50 yards rushing in the first half and Brunell had enough time to make plays, he just didn't make them. In the second half they struggled but I don't think that you can blame them that much for us only scoring 3 first half points.

honestly, it wasnt just the offense. long drives by the giants killed us as well. scoring 3 points is bad, but lets not blame the o completely here

reggiebrooks4life wrote:honestly, it wasnt just the offense. long drives by the giants killed us as well. scoring 3 points is bad, but lets not blame the o completely here

I agree, this loss was a team effort. It's one of those losses that was actually much worse than it looked, because the Giants could easily have scored more points if they had to. I don't think they even had to punt until the 4th quarter! Sure, the D was not good, but they have the excuse that Springs is out and there is essentially no-one competent to replace him.

The offense, on the other hand, has no such excusa. Are you telling me that with receivers like ey, Moss, Lloyd, and Portis that there is NOONE open? That our coaching staff is so bad, that they can't figure out a way to get a single receiver open out of an excellent receiving corps ? I don't buy it. The fault lies with Brunell. You can see he's got nervous feet. Dink this and dunk that. Never a shot down the field. This is a problem. Gibbs wasted two years with never-will-be in Jay Schroeder, I hope the same thing isn't happening all over again with a has-been.

HERES the turning point---------4:30 TO GO IN 2ND QTER...WERE LOSING 6-3 and were winning the time of POSS 14 to 11. BALL IS ON THE giants on 2 false start to the 1...........FAST FOWARD --the next time our offense took the the field it was 8 minutes to go in 3rd losing 16-3..AND on that possesion we drive affectively AND GIBBS pusses out on 4th AND 1 (WHICH was his worst game time decsion of his 2nd era) ..Guy our offense played bad but our defense lost this football game....combine that horrific coaching today..off and def...and our team didnt have a chance

This was vintage 1998 Redskins. It was horrible. I thought we had a good chance to lose the game because it was in NY, but to basically be shut out...I mean, really.

Can the loss of Shawn Springs really be so bad to dramatically alter how the defense is going to play? If so, shame on the coaches for that.

Skinsfan55 wrote:The offense couldn't get into a rhythm because the offensive line was so bad, and because the defense couldn't help us build any momentum.

Exactly, the offense cannot get into a rhythm if they have to sit on the sidelines and wait until the opposing offense drives down the field and scores before they can get on the field.

Whose idea was it to bring in Andre Carter? That person should be fired like Matt Millen. Oh wait, he still has a job too!!

We certainly won the good sportsmanship battle. Since their secondary was so bad, it was not very nice to pick on it. So we didn't.

There is a continent out there who take everything at face value, so let me mention now that I'm being SARCASTIC!!!!

The problem is that Brunell has the skills, but he just can't do it week after week. Yes, there were a lot of other problems so again to the literal, I am not blaming Brunell soley for this loss.

What I am saying is that Brunell is NOT going to win a Superbowl which just requires he show up week in and week out and then through the entire playoffs. He has shown he can have a very good game or two, but even if we solve the rest of the problems, we need a QB.

And fankly if we had one it would mask a lot of the other problems.

I think we should give TC a shot. No I"m not optimistic, but JC isn't going to win us a Superbowl this year and we have little to lose.

Then if TC fails, we see how far JC can take us and determine if he's the real thing.

I would think a lot of Brunell as a sub and mentor. But as the #1 guy he just can't do it anymore and even if he ekes us into the playoffs I'd rather start playing for the future now.

We are going to have to see each week which Redskins team shows up. This week it was the 0 - 2 team. I am truely amazed how the team can be so great one week and so rotten the next. In Houston, the offense was dink and dunk but it won. The Jacksonville game really looked like the offense had gotten it together. This game, the offense took a holiday. Don't give the excuse that the defense was at fault. The offense didn't even show up today. The defense held reasonably well for the first half and were then too tired to get it done. The Giant defense didn't play great, just better than the Redskins offense.

Brunell is another problem. The 1st two weeks, I don't think he was in the park. The next 2 weeks, he was outstanding. This week, he was not doing anything. Most of the passes I saw him throw were wobbly or off target. It is open season on Brunell again by the boo birds. Brunells performance today didn't solidify his place as "the guy."Gibbs may have won 3 super bowls with 3 different quarterbacks but those quartebacks could be counted on to at least make an effort . I didn't see that from Burnell today. I have seen all of them play.

Bring on the Titans, maybe the Redskins can beat them. It depends on which Redskins team shows up. If they don't beat the Titans, they will go into the bye week 2 - 5. I seriously doubt that they are going to beat the Colts. Peyton Manning will pick the secondary apart.

I think it is evident that I am not a very happy Redskins fan right now but I am still a fan and will be there next week.

We stink - tired of getting my hopes up! This board if full of homers and I blame you all for making me think this stinkin team has any shot in hell. We stink! Fire Gibbs! Bench the old man QB! Sick and frigin tired of this team. If they were consistently bad life would be easier. But to be so erratic like this with no chance at postseason play makes me sick!

Many of us are in complete denial that the #1, hands down problem is QB. It's that simple. I'm sure many will read this and go "no kidding", but many point to all sorts of other reasons like play calls, kickers, dline pressure issues,no sacks, secondary, punters, you name it, bla,bla,bla. Bottom line, we're not looking at the "Elephant in the room". That elephant is Brunell. He is never going to get this team anywhere. I'm burning out on wondering why none of these studs are open and he throws it away or takes a sack? Portis and D did it last year. If we had a QB in Seattle, we'd have won. Hell, we knocked all-pro Alexander out in the 1st qtr and coincidentally, Hasselback carved up our secondary. Wasn't Springs hurt in that one too?

Until we get Springs back, we are a .500 team since primarily Brunell shows up 1/2 the time.

.500 won't make playoffs unless other parts of this team start playing .900 ball.

IMO, we have to clean this secondary up and get it rolling and get a better pass rush. That unfortunately, at 2-3 and 0-2 in the division starts next Sunday.

And, I admit, much of this is old news, nothing I haven't seen written 5,000 times over last 1.5 months!!

reggiebrooks4life wrote:honestly, it wasnt just the offense. long drives by the giants killed us as well. scoring 3 points is bad, but lets not blame the o completely here

One of the commentators on Post Game, I forget which, said we have three guys on our first string defence who shouldn't be first string in the NFL. Wright, Holdman, and Carter; and that a safety, Archeleta, has led the team in tackles for the last three games-- which is truly damning.
All three of these mistakes were made by the coaching staff before the season began (4 mistakes, if you count Archeleta's lack of cover skills.)
Add to that Campbell's continue presence on the bench, the trading of Ramsey, the exiling of Arrington, and the foolish losses of Smoot, Pierce, Harris, and Ryan Clarke, and you have explanation enough of the trouble we're in.
Oh, yeah. We gave a 3rd for Duckett, use Randal El hardly at all, and almost never throw to Lloyd.

old-timer wrote:

reggiebrooks4life wrote:honestly, it wasnt just the offense. long drives by the giants killed us as well. scoring 3 points is bad, but lets not blame the o completely here

I agree, this loss was a team effort. It's one of those losses that was actually much worse than it looked, because the Giants could easily have scored more points if they had to. I don't think they even had to punt until the 4th quarter! Sure, the D was not good, but they have the excuse that Springs is out and there is essentially no-one competent to replace him.

The offense, on the other hand, has no such excusa. Are you telling me that with receivers like ey, Moss, Lloyd, and Portis that there is NOONE open? That our coaching staff is so bad, that they can't figure out a way to get a single receiver open out of an excellent receiving corps ? I don't buy it. The fault lies with Brunell. You can see he's got nervous feet. Dink this and dunk that. Never a shot down the field. This is a problem. Gibbs wasted two years with never-will-be in Jay Schroeder, I hope the same thing isn't happening all over again with a has-been.

Sorry. It is happening.

old-timer wrote:

reggiebrooks4life wrote:honestly, it wasnt just the offense. long drives by the giants killed us as well. scoring 3 points is bad, but lets not blame the o completely here

I agree, this loss was a team effort. It's one of those losses that was actually much worse than it looked, because the Giants could easily have scored more points if they had to. I don't think they even had to punt until the 4th quarter! Sure, the D was not good, but they have the excuse that Springs is out and there is essentially no-one competent to replace him.

The offense, on the other hand, has no such excusa. Are you telling me that with receivers like ey, Moss, Lloyd, and Portis that there is NOONE open? That our coaching staff is so bad, that they can't figure out a way to get a single receiver open out of an excellent receiving corps ? I don't buy it. The fault lies with Brunell. You can see he's got nervous feet. Dink this and dunk that. Never a shot down the field. This is a problem. Gibbs wasted two years with never-will-be in Jay Schroeder, I hope the same thing isn't happening all over again with a has-been.

Sorry. It is happening.

3 points.. I cant believe it.. After last weeks game i thought we were finally starting to click.. guess not

As bad as the offense played. I put most of the blame on the D. The defense has not helped the offense in the field postion battle. The Skin's time after time have to drive a long field. The D is not creating turnovers or getting many 3 and outs.

The offense does have some problems but you have to give the opposing team some credit. They got pressure on the QB and tackled well. 2 things our defense didn't do.

Maybe if the defense could pick off a pass, or recover a fumble, or at the very least tackle on third down, the offense might get into a groove.

I think we should calm down guys. Yes the team is inconsistent, but that's not unusual when learning a new offense and trying to gel as a team. If you've ever played golf, you know how inconsistency can kill you. Tiger Woods is the best golfer because he is amazingly consistent -- he knows what will happen when he takes his swing. When our offense develops some consistency, we will be hard to stop. That said, I think Brunell's lack of consistency in his own play doesn't help us.

cvillehog wrote:I think we should calm down guys. Yes the team is inconsistent, but that's not unusual when learning a new offense and trying to gel as a team. If you've ever played golf, you know how inconsistency can kill you. Tiger Woods is the best golfer because he is amazingly consistent -- he knows what will happen when he takes his swing. When our offense develops some consistency, we will be hard to stop. That said, I think Brunell's lack of consistency in his own play doesn't help us.

This inconsistency is what's killing me. Why can't this team pull out a win unless it absolutely, positively has to? It was that way last year, and it looks like it's going to be that way this year. While I respect Gibbs for not ripping his players in public, I sure hope he's ripping them plenty in private - they get paid for 16 games, so they should give 100% for 16 games.

Mursilis wrote:

cvillehog wrote:I think we should calm down guys. Yes the team is inconsistent, but that's not unusual when learning a new offense and trying to gel as a team. If you've ever played golf, you know how inconsistency can kill you. Tiger Woods is the best golfer because he is amazingly consistent -- he knows what will happen when he takes his swing. When our offense develops some consistency, we will be hard to stop. That said, I think Brunell's lack of consistency in his own play doesn't help us.

This inconsistency is what's killing me. Why can't this team pull out a win unless it absolutely, positively has to? It was that way last year, and it looks like it's going to be that way this year. While I respect Gibbs for not ripping his players in public, I sure hope he's ripping them plenty in private - they get paid for 16 games, so they should give 100% for 16 games.

yes yes yes yes yes yes

The O almost didn't play yesterday. After the half, Siragusa ask Greg Williams why they weren't blitzing and the excuse was Springs injury. The front 4 gave no pressure, they didn't blitz and even then the secondary got toasted, what the ....... is that?

I think all the blame falls on the coaching staff. Not going on that 4th and 1 was a textbook definition of playing to lose.

Gus

The Redskins are consistent.

This is the way it's been the entire Snyder era.

After every season they overhaul the roster, let players go who don't have enough glam or don't gell with the coaches, and then seaon comes with high expectations and the team plays like a bunch of guys who haven't played together before. And Ex - Redskins come in a blow up the current Skins.

This is the exact same Skins team we've watched for a long, long time. If you have other expectations, you're ignoring history.

I was angry when the Skins let Walt Harris and Ryan Clark go. Now, with each week, I grow more and more angry. Clark was no pro bowler, but he was almost as good as Archuletta, he played well in the system, and he was liked by the other players (what's called "chemistry"). Letting Walt Harris out the door really surprised me. Again, not a pro bowler, but he was and is clearly more talented than Kenny Freakin' Wright. I'm far from an expert when it comes to football, but I knew that the defense would suffer from losing those two guys. To me, they were part of the core group. The Skins should just cut Wright today, like the Packers did with their DB after the Monday night game. The man is toast on legs. He can't cover anybody, and the only way he doesn't get beaten on a play is if he interferes with the receiver. Unfortunately, Rumph isn't much better.