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Everyone is putting all the blame on him. WHY??? The offensive line is miserable he has absolutly no time to even look at anyone. The running game isn't helping him either. This is a bad football team there isn't one person you can put the blame on its the team.

Watch out. Here comes the thread police...

Hmmm.....I'm having a vision....yes....it's coming to me....I see ....a lock....on this thread.... something being said about posting your comments in an existing thread. Whew! This ESP stuff is tiring!

Anyway, to answer your question, in football, the quarterback takes most of the blame or praise when the team is losing or winning, respectively. It's just the way it is. Most of the Brunell Haters (BH) didn't chirp when we won 5 in a row, even though Grandma wasn't doing a whole heckofa lot to help us win. But he got credit for 'leading' us to those wins anyway.

When the team loses, and the QB doesn't step up and make plays to help the team win (no matter how awful the running game is or how poorly the O-line is playing), he'll take the blame. It's a law of the universe. Some here, the BD Crew, is trying to deflect that blame. But it will always be there on the Qb when the team is not doing well.

Brunell?



Never heard of him.

joebagadonuts wrote:Hmmm.....I'm having a vision....yes....it's coming to me....I see ....a lock....on this thread.... something being said about posting your comments in an existing thread. Whew! This ESP stuff is tiring!

Anyway, to answer your question, in football, the quarterback takes most of the blame or praise when the team is losing or winning, respectively. It's just the way it is. Most of the Brunell Haters (BH) didn't chirp when we won 5 in a row, even though Grandma wasn't doing a whole heckofa lot to help us win. But he got credit for 'leading' us to those wins anyway.

When the team loses, and the QB doesn't step up and make plays to help the team win (no matter how awful the running game is or how poorly the O-line is playing), he'll take the blame. It's a law of the universe. Some here, the BD Crew, is trying to deflect that blame. But it will always be there on the Qb when the team is not doing well.

As one of the resident Brunell backers, that is a post that I can live with.

Well, I'm not exactly a backer but I do agree with the assumption that he is the "leader" and therefore gets the kudos or the knocks as it were! I think that is also what Gibbs is trying to do and probably all the way up to the Danny!

Hopefully a lot of the doubters, the fantasy leaguers and other "just win baby" fans will get what they deserve soon and this cloud will also pass.

It will be something this week though - I see this as being a tough week even though we are mean't to win, this Texas team is not playing badly and we will have to do more than just show up.

I think its Santanas fault...he should have like 4 TD's by now.

joebagadonuts wrote:Hmmm.....I'm having a vision....yes....it's coming to me....I see ....a lock....on this thread.... something being said about posting your comments in an existing thread. Whew! This ESP stuff is tiring!

Anyway, to answer your question, in football, the quarterback takes most of the blame or praise when the team is losing or winning, respectively. It's just the way it is. Most of the Brunell Haters (BH) didn't chirp when we won 5 in a row, even though Grandma wasn't doing a whole heckofa lot to help us win. But he got credit for 'leading' us to those wins anyway.

When the team loses, and the QB doesn't step up and make plays to help the team win (no matter how awful the running game is or how poorly the O-line is playing), he'll take the blame. It's a law of the universe. Some here, the BD Crew, is trying to deflect that blame. But it will always be there on the Qb when the team is not doing well.

I think that folks were just happy we were winning so Brunell and his issues were still there and there was still some grumbling, just not as loud as now.

roybus14 wrote:

joebagadonuts wrote:Hmmm.....I'm having a vision....yes....it's coming to me....I see ....a lock....on this thread.... something being said about posting your comments in an existing thread. Whew! This ESP stuff is tiring!

Anyway, to answer your question, in football, the quarterback takes most of the blame or praise when the team is losing or winning, respectively. It's just the way it is. Most of the Brunell Haters (BH) didn't chirp when we won 5 in a row, even though Grandma wasn't doing a whole heckofa lot to help us win. But he got credit for 'leading' us to those wins anyway.

When the team loses, and the QB doesn't step up and make plays to help the team win (no matter how awful the running game is or how poorly the O-line is playing), he'll take the blame. It's a law of the universe. Some here, the BD Crew, is trying to deflect that blame. But it will always be there on the Qb when the team is not doing well.

I think that folks were just happy we were winning so Brunell and his issues were still there and there was still some grumbling, just not as loud as now.

Bingo!

This team's strength is its defense and its running attack. They are often so good that we don't need a much of a passing attack. With Springs out and Portis out, that passing attack needed to pick up the slack. As predicted, with all the critics, Redskin fans and not, we knew that it would fall short when push came to shove. The passing attack has ALL its starters, no injuries as an excuse this time. When the team leaned on it, it crumbled. And I don't think it's because Moss, Lloyd, Randel El and ey weren't open.

Our win streak at the end of the year, leaned on CP and leaned on our D, and they responded. Once they stuttered against the Seahawks (which wasn't that bad considering how good tough a team they were), the passing attack once again crumbled. So even though the season was a success, let's not mistake Brunell getting out of the running attack the defenses way with excelling.

redskinsfan0456 wrote:Everyone is putting all the blame on him. WHY??? The offensive line is miserable he has absolutly no time to even look at anyone. The running game isn't helping him either. This is a bad football team there isn't one person you can put the blame on its the team.

How many football games have you watched? Inconsistent O-line play is often neglected with a QB who can make a completion under pressure. They made rules to protect QBs because they get hit hard and often. The "Good" QBs in this league make plays even when protection is shotty. Often those plays deter defenses from calling stunts and calling blitzes.

The vertical game is so important, not just because it's quick, easy points, but it keeps defenses from trying to mix up rushes from all over the field. Even small rushes, numbers sometimes don't matter, where it is coming from often does. Catching the defense cheating by exploiting a vacated spot, will surely keep them from mixing pressure. Too bad Brunell doesn't read anything very well, nor does he get rid of the ball quickly (besides wounded ducks).

redskinsfan0456 wrote:Everyone is putting all the blame on him. WHY??? The offensive line is miserable he has absolutly no time to even look at anyone. The running game isn't helping him either. This is a bad football team there isn't one person you can put the blame on its the team.

Let's just consider another team widely considered to have a weak, suspect O-line - a line so weak they've allowed their QB to get sacked 8 times already in 2 games! Yet that team is still 1-1, with 44 points scored, and that QB, despite having to run for his life most of the time, has already put up 532 yrds (6th best in the NFL), with 4 TDs and 1 INT, for a 96.1 passer rating. That team would be Arizona, and that QB would be Kurt Warner. Sure, he's got Edgerrin James to help him out, but "Edge" hasn't started off strong - his best game has only been 73 yards which, given how weak that line is, probably isn't his fault.

I feel that Mark can only do as he is told, the word on what to do, (or not do) is coming from upstairs. Joe Gibbs trusts Al Saunders with his offence, so do I. It is far too early to be hanging our selves over inconsistency. We started 1981 with five losses under a new offensive co-ordinater, we know his name. Give it time, this team is far from inconsistent compared to Joe Gibbs first club. Clinton will be back, and the offence will move, soon. Thank God it's Houston. In Joe we Trust.

Mursilis wrote:

redskinsfan0456 wrote:Everyone is putting all the blame on him. WHY??? The offensive line is miserable he has absolutly no time to even look at anyone. The running game isn't helping him either. This is a bad football team there isn't one person you can put the blame on its the team.

Let's just consider another team widely considered to have a weak, suspect O-line - a line so weak they've allowed their QB to get sacked 8 times already in 2 games! Yet that team is still 1-1, with 44 points scored, and that QB, despite having to run for his life most of the time, has already put up 532 yrds (6th best in the NFL), with 4 TDs and 1 INT, for a 96.1 passer rating. That team would be Arizona, and that QB would be Kurt Warner. Sure, he's got Edgerrin James to help him out, but "Edge" hasn't started off strong - his best game has only been 73 yards which, given how weak that line is, probably isn't his fault.

Hate to bring this up, but Eli got sacked 8 times. His offensive line was horrible. Tiki didn't give him much running, and their defense got pummled. What was his line?

31/43 371 yds 3 TDs 1 Int

Brunell and Eli pretty much started at the same time on the current teams. Eli looks more like the Pro-Bowl veteran after 3-years, and Brunell looks like the rookie. Luckily we have a better defense, a stronger running game, and better coaching staff to make up for the short-comings of the most important position on the field.

Did Eli get a new offense installed this year??? Just wondering.

My guess is Gibbs will bring in Campbell sometime in this weekend's game against Texas. If Campbell plays well then Brunnel will become his tutor and be relegated to the bench.

Boo - nell is too old and scared to stand in the pocket to take a hit and complete the pass. He gets rid of the ball way too early, panzy. too conservative, i.e. less INT's but also less big plays. HE is a panzy.

GoSkins wrote:My guess is Gibbs will bring in Campbell sometime in this weekend's game against Texas. If Campbell plays well then Brunnel will become his tutor and be relegated to the bench.

Your guess, or your wish?

There's no indication that Gibbs would bring Campbell into the game, particularly since he's already stated that Todd Collins is the "in-game" back-up QB.

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote::hmm: Did Eli get a new offense installed this year??? Just wondering.

Brad Johnson did. Got a new coach, new offensive staff, new scheme, new RB, two new guys on his line, etc. He's 2-0 though, and he's managed to put together more yards than Brunell and even has a TD pass! Heck, and Drew Brees is on an all-new team (with a weak line that lost its best player, LeCharles Bentley, in free agency), with a new coach, learning a new system, etc., and he's 2-0 with a better rating and better numbers than Brunell. And Steve McNair's learning a new system, and he's 2-0, with a better rating than Brunell. Heck, even Alex Smith, in only his second year on the sorry-@$$ Niners has managed to win a game, get more yards, toss more TDs, and get a higher passer rating than Brunell, and he did it with WRs inferior to what Brunell has here. Now do you want to argue Alex Smith's got a better O-line too?

riggofan wrote:Watch out. Here comes the thread police...

The 'thread police' are doing the job asked of them. Funny though, I don't remember enlisting your help?

So I really don't see how it's any of your concern.

All you have to worry about is yourself and trying to post something of worth...

admin wrote:

riggofan wrote:Watch out. Here comes the thread police...

The 'thread police' are doing the job asked of them. Funny though, I don't remember enlisting your help?

So I really don't see how it's any of your concern.

All you have to worry about is yourself and trying to post something of worth...

I think that's the best he has to offer...

man all these teams doing so well - think I'll just have to switch - no point in waiting around here with all these losers! Nothing we can do except lose - loser fans and no chance to be good at anything - better just give it up before the season gets too far along - see ya!

Mursilis wrote:

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote::hmm: Did Eli get a new offense installed this year??? Just wondering.

Brad Johnson did. Got a new coach, new offensive staff, new scheme, new RB, two new guys on his line, etc. He's 2-0 though, and he's managed to put together more yards than Brunell and even has a TD pass! Heck, and Drew Brees is on an all-new team (with a weak line that lost its best player, LeCharles Bentley, in free agency), with a new coach, learning a new system, etc., and he's 2-0 with a better rating and better numbers than Brunell. And Steve McNair's learning a new system, and he's 2-0, with a better rating than Brunell. Heck, even Alex Smith, in only his second year on the sorry-@$$ Niners has managed to win a game, get more yards, toss more TDs, and get a higher passer rating than Brunell, and he did it with WRs inferior to what Brunell has here. Now do you want to argue Alex Smith's got a better O-line too?

Shame on you for bringing up good points. I have to admit, I usually just respond and use what is on the tip of my tongue, not necessarily research. I hate to admit it, but it's just not worth it to me, since there are people like you who do do the research that backs up what I've been saying all along. WELL SAID!

As far as arguing with redeemed, it's a waste of time even typing. I've tried, and he just never gets my point. I am trying not to even respond to him anymore. Some people on here still back Brunnel, and that's fine. They at least usually acknowledge some of what I say as being true. He's just too argumentative and that makes me even more mad. I'm far from perfect, but then again, I don't come here to preach the gospel either.

GoSkins wrote:My guess is Gibbs will bring in Campbell sometime in this weekend's game against Texas. If Campbell plays well then Brunnel will become his tutor and be relegated to the bench.

Campbell, being designated 3rd string, can only come in if both Brunnel and Collins are injured. I would start Campbell this week against the Texans, couldn't be a better game to start in. Also, when do you think Campbell will be "ready" to start in Gibbs eyes? What does he specifically have to do to get the nod? I don't get it, he couldn't possibly do any worse than Brunnell has in the past 2 weeks. He has to start sometime in the future, that we all can agree on, but why not right now?

Agreed. With Brunell stinking up the place, Houston is the perfect team for Campbell to start against. He'll knock rust off, get a regular season game under his belt, get the jitters out, take whatever lumps he has to take, and hopefully rejuvenate the team. How bad could it be?

I'll take an INT 40 yards downfield if it means we're consistently taking our shots. It's better than grinding out 7 yards +/- then punting.

SkinsJock wrote:man all these teams doing so well - think I'll just have to switch - no point in waiting around here with all these losers! Nothing we can do except lose - loser fans and no chance to be good at anything - better just give it up before the season gets too far along - see ya!

It's posts like this that really annoy me too. Mursilis, dlc, and myself, to name just a few, are NOT giving up on this team. We just don't think Brunnell has enough in the tank to get us anywhere. I, for one, think he would makae a GREAT backup. He'd be much better than Collins.

Given that Brunnell and Cambell have had the same amount of time with the new playbook, it makes much more sense to me to let the kid learn it now, on the fly, rather than having the vet learn it, only not to make it through this season, much less next. Then we'd have the same learning going on again, just another year down the road.

SkinsJock wrote:man all these teams doing so well - think I'll just have to switch - no point in waiting around here with all these losers! Nothing we can do except lose - loser fans and no chance to be good at anything - better just give it up before the season gets too far along - see ya!

When you decide to come back, we'll be here.