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I think the first personal foul called against Sean Taylor was a terrible call. It looked like the receiver still had the ball notched in his arm when Taylor made a perfect tackle, driving through the receiver with his shoulder to knock him out of bounds and knock the ball loose. How was that any different than Jamie Sharper’s tackle of Santana Moss in the endzone? Just like on the call against the Redskins, the trailing defender was trying to stop Santana from catching the ball but it looked like he would catch it until Jamie Sharper drilled him with very similar (and excellent form) tackle to jar the ball loose.

There are several reasons the Redskins lost that game for which they have only themselves to blame. However, this call was not one I think they should blame on themselves. Even though they stopped the Vikes on that drive, that call did allow them to run off a few more minutes that we could have used at the end of the game.

I was not impressed by the officiating last night. There were some very poor, inconsistent and missed calls against both teams - the CR hit being one of them.

I think it was the "ust because he's sean taylor" factor in effect.

bcg301 wrote:I think the first personal foul called against Sean Taylor was a terrible call. It looked like the receiver still had the ball notched in his arm when Taylor made a perfect tackle, driving through the receiver with his shoulder to knock him out of bounds and knock the ball loose. How was that any different than Jamie Sharper’s tackle of Santana Moss in the endzone? Just like on the call against the Redskins, the trailing defender was trying to stop Santana from catching the ball but it looked like he would catch it until Jamie Sharper drilled him with very similar (and excellent form) tackle to jar the ball loose.

There are several reasons the Redskins lost that game for which they have only themselves to blame. However, this call was not one I think they should blame on themselves. Even though they stopped the Vikes on that drive, that call did allow them to run off a few more minutes that we could have used at the end of the game.

I couldn't agree more. I thought the fans in our section last night were going to riot! Also, what was up with that one penalty against us that was called around 10 seconds after the play was whistled dead? The officiating was a joke last night. That last bogus penalty at the start of their winning drive gave the game away.

That WAS a terrible call and a crucial one.

If they don't make that call the Vikes have 3rd and 7 from their own 6 yard line with the crowd going INSANE all around them. Instead they got 1st and 10 at the 23 and they eventually made it out to midfield before punting but that series took away field position from the Skins and gave it to the Vikings.

I think that if Taylor hadn't hit him with such force they wouldn't have called anything. Which is complete BS in my mind.

Very poor call, and a costly one.

Burgandyandglory wrote:Also, what was up with that one penalty against us that was called around 10 seconds after the play was whistled dead?

Oh, that 'illegal holding' call on Marcus Washington after Jermaine Wiggins lobbied the ref? Total garbage. I've never seen a ref so blatantly give in to another player's whining. It was pathetic.

Mursilis wrote:

Burgandyandglory wrote:Also, what was up with that one penalty against us that was called around 10 seconds after the play was whistled dead?

Oh, that 'illegal holding' call on Marcus Washington after Jermaine Wiggins lobbied the ref? Total garbage. I've never seen a ref so blatantly give in to another player's whining. It was pathetic.

In fairness, it WAS blatant holding. Yes, the ref was a punk for taking so long to call it, but it should have been called anyway.

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:

Mursilis wrote:

Burgandyandglory wrote:Also, what was up with that one penalty against us that was called around 10 seconds after the play was whistled dead?

Oh, that 'illegal holding' call on Marcus Washington after Jermaine Wiggins lobbied the ref? Total garbage. I've never seen a ref so blatantly give in to another player's whining. It was pathetic.

In fairness, it WAS blatant holding. Yes, the ref was a punk for taking so long to call it, but it should have been called anyway.

I'd have to see it again. They showed the replay on TV last night, and it looked like Washington was just setting up to fend off a block (Wiggins is a TE after all, and he was lined up tight). I don't remember it being blatant. At least we can agree it was a VERY late flag.

Mursilis wrote:

Burgandyandglory wrote:Also, what was up with that one penalty against us that was called around 10 seconds after the play was whistled dead?

Oh, that 'illegal holding' call on Marcus Washington after Jermaine Wiggins lobbied the ref? Total garbage. I've never seen a ref so blatantly give in to another player's whining. It was pathetic.

Yeah, that was the one. I though home field advantage meant that BS penalties weren't supposed to go against you. What is up with the Ref's these last few seasons? It is almost as if they are trying to baby the players instead of letting them just playing the game.

Mursilis wrote:

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:

Mursilis wrote:

Burgandyandglory wrote:Also, what was up with that one penalty against us that was called around 10 seconds after the play was whistled dead?

Oh, that 'illegal holding' call on Marcus Washington after Jermaine Wiggins lobbied the ref? Total garbage. I've never seen a ref so blatantly give in to another player's whining. It was pathetic.

In fairness, it WAS blatant holding. Yes, the ref was a punk for taking so long to call it, but it should have been called anyway.

I'd have to see it again. They showed the replay on TV last night, and it looked like Washington was just setting up to fend off a block (Wiggins is a TE after all, and he was lined up tight). I don't remember it being blatant. At least we can agree it was a VERY late flag.

Did Gibbs address some of the penalty calls during his post-game press'r?

The unnecissary roughness call was BS. Taylor made a hit hoping to dislodge the ball. Are we now going to say that you can hit an offensive player but not hard. I hope that gets sent to the refs. Nothing we can do now.

frankcal20 wrote:The unnecissary roughness call was BS. Taylor made a hit hoping to dislodge the ball. Are we now going to say that you can hit an offensive player but not hard. I hope that gets sent to the refs. Nothing we can do now.

No doubt, Taylor will be held to a different standard of play. The Ref's will be looking for anything to call on him.

Does anyone have a link to the so-called illegal hit by Sean? It was a totally bogus call and I'm trying to prove that to a guy at work.

Just an FYI the head ref last night is the same one that threw ST out for spitting. Not saying he shouldn't have, just that he was probably watching extra carefully last night.

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:

Mursilis wrote:

Burgandyandglory wrote:Also, what was up with that one penalty against us that was called around 10 seconds after the play was whistled dead?

Oh, that 'illegal holding' call on Marcus Washington after Jermaine Wiggins lobbied the ref? Total garbage. I've never seen a ref so blatantly give in to another player's whining. It was pathetic.

In fairness, it WAS blatant holding. Yes, the ref was a punk for taking so long to call it, but it should have been called anyway.

as usual, everything you say sickens me. no, there was no holding on that play. ugh. washington was bumping the receiver within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage which is LEGAL, then there was some extremely minor incidental contact on both parts as the receiver got out into his route.

the call against ST was obvious BS too, but the most damaging call in the entire game was the NON-call right near the end, when brunell threw to the left sideline, it went just over our WR's outstretched arms, and he was then NAILED obviously late. this would have given us a first down and a much easier field goal. for them to call that on ST when he was a millisecond late, and not on this play when the guy was an entire second late is beyond inexcusable.

WuSkinsFan wrote:Does anyone have a link to the so-called illegal hit by Sean? It was a totally bogus call and I'm trying to prove that to a guy at work.

I don't know of a link for it, but I did see the replay last night. I think it was CSN was calling it a bogus call. As I saw it on the close up, Taylor came in and barely hit the receiver less than a second after the ball got there. Taylor had his back to the ball and he knew where the ball was being thrown. All he was doing was making a play. I can't understand how you could call a penalty like that. If Taylor had hit the receiver after he was out of bounds or it was a blatant late hit, then fine, but the call was bogus and biased.

On 2nd thought, I might have thrown the flag too. It wasn't an intentional helmet-to-helmet hit. Sean kept on his feet in did not launch. Launching into the WR would clearly establish intent. But the WR was in the air and descending as Sean ran to make the tackle. Sean did lower his head and their helmets collided.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd5-2N9xJNw

It was a bad call through and through.

Only on instant reply can you really even tell that Sean hit the guy after the pass is incomplete. The ball leaves the receivers hands and deflects off of Sean's jersy as he makes his hit! How are safeties supposed to react to drops that quickly? When the game is moving that fast, you can't risk having the receiver catch a ball that you could have prevented--but didn't because you were scared that you would get a flag on a hit.

I think this call came because the Skins hadn't accrued that many penalties this far into the game (so the makeup flags started coming), and because the refs were just waiting to see what crazy thing Taylor would do next.

They'll be playing two hand touch in 10 years tops.

What the heck do they expecrt these players to do? The NFL just wants offenses to flourish and are doing any/everything possible to hurt defenses.

Although this is off-topic I feel bad for Trent Green, I wish him a speedy recovery but a part of me is glad he got laid out. It INFURIATES me when QB's run around the field and defenders dont even try to hit them. I hope that whenever a QB runs on the Skins Sean Taylor knocks them out the park. They should make offensive players wear skirts when they got on the field.

die cowboys die wrote:

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:

Mursilis wrote:

Burgandyandglory wrote:Also, what was up with that one penalty against us that was called around 10 seconds after the play was whistled dead?

Oh, that 'illegal holding' call on Marcus Washington after Jermaine Wiggins lobbied the ref? Total garbage. I've never seen a ref so blatantly give in to another player's whining. It was pathetic.

In fairness, it WAS blatant holding. Yes, the ref was a punk for taking so long to call it, but it should have been called anyway.

as usual, everything you say sickens me. no, there was no holding on that play. ugh.

From my vantage point in Section 427, and from the replay shown on the jumbotron, it certainly looked like holding, even if it was incidental. Perhaps it was Marcus'ebullient celebration afterward that made it seem worse.

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Irn-Bru wrote:It was a bad call through and through.

Only on instant reply can you really even tell that Sean hit the guy after the pass is incomplete. The ball leaves the receivers hands and deflects off of Sean's jersy as he makes his hit! How are safeties supposed to react to drops that quickly? When the game is moving that fast, you can't risk having the receiver catch a ball that you could have prevented--but didn't because you were scared that you would get a flag on a hit.

I think this call came because the Skins hadn't accrued that many penalties this far into the game (so the makeup flags started coming), and because the refs were just waiting to see what crazy thing Taylor would do next.

I didn't think the call was for a late hit. I thought it was for unnecessary roughness b/c of the helmet-to-helment contact. But I'm not 100% sure.

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:

die cowboys die wrote:

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:

Mursilis wrote:

Burgandyandglory wrote:Also, what was up with that one penalty against us that was called around 10 seconds after the play was whistled dead?

Oh, that 'illegal holding' call on Marcus Washington after Jermaine Wiggins lobbied the ref? Total garbage. I've never seen a ref so blatantly give in to another player's whining. It was pathetic.

In fairness, it WAS blatant holding. Yes, the ref was a punk for taking so long to call it, but it should have been called anyway.

as usual, everything you say sickens me. no, there was no holding on that play. ugh.

From my vantage point in Section 427, and from the replay shown on the jumbotron, it certainly looked like holding, even if it was incidental. Perhaps it was Marcus'ebullient celebration afterward that made it seem worse.

BTW - I'm glad you LOVE my posts.

they're why i keep coming back here!

HailSkins94 wrote:I think it was the "ust because he's sean taylor" factor in effect.

You are 100% right