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thought it might be interesting to see how we forecast ourselves from week to week as the team goes through its ups and downs. after week 1 my prediction is:

7-9

let's face it- we are a bad football team right now. not even mediocre- bad. the offensive line is not horrible but it sure isn't good. special teams are a nightmare. we have no pass rush and absolutely no pass coverage. the passing game is still anemic.

some of these i have hope, maybe even faith that they will improve. but the pass defense is going to be abysmal all season long, let's face it. we only have a total of 2.5 guys that can cover (springs=1, taylor=1, rogers=.5). all the rest of them are not just bad, they are cover-your-eyes awful. that's not going to get better.

i also don't believe the passing game will ever get much better under brunell. we've seen what he has to offer, and it's exactly the same as last year-- which will NOT BE GOOD ENOUGH THIS YEAR, PERIOD. you can't expect him to suddenly turn into peyton manning. it's time to move on and let campbell take his lumps.

how do the rest of you see the season shaking out, and why?

I am still going to say 10-6 and a wild card maybe division title. U can say what u want and some of it I agree with, but my dad told me once and it applies here when a team has a great coach at the helm, you never count them out, unless I am mistaken we have a great coach. We started off bad last season and turned it into a playoff season 5-6. So you never know what can happen.

John Manfreda wrote:I am still going to say 10-6 and a wild card maybe division title. U can say what u want and some of it I agree with, but my dad told me once and it applies here when a team has a great coach at the helm, you never count them out, unless I am mistaken we have a great coach. We started off bad last season and turned it into a playoff season 5-6. So you never know what can happen.

we started out 3-0 last year. at no point in the season did we look as bad as we did tonight. even when we lost to oakland last year, at least the defense was playing very well. we sucked complete ass tonight pretty much across the board.

I'm not giving up on this team yet. As bad as tonight was it is only 1 game. I think a wild card is still a very strong possibility. I think the game next weekend at Dallas will tell us a lot about this team. Tonight it seemed like the team was almost expecting to win. I didnt see the fire and intensity that I was expecting for the home opener. If they come out fighting hard and playing some solid ball at Dallas, even if they lose, I think that'll bode well for the rest of the season. If they play in Dallas like they did tonight then I'm going to start worrying about the season as a whole.

You guys are killin' me, it's been one freakin' game. Of all the games I watched this weekend there wasn't one team I saw that looked great, even the Colts who have had a great team the last 3-5 years looked very sloppy.

Remember, we didn't even play ALL of our starters in preseason together and didn't even use 2% of Al Saunders playbook. It takes a bit of time for a team to become a "team" and play well together. We have a lot of talent and the best coaching staff the Redskins have ever had, maybe the best in the NFL.

We'll put things together and turn it around.

The thing we really don't know is how good the Vikings are. They may suck - we'll find out. It may be that the Vikings, a 9-7 team last year, is actually better than that this year. I don't believe this, but who knows...

Regardless, I think our offense is only 3-4 weeks away. The concern though is I no longer think the Defense is good enough to hold the fort till then.

redskins-28 wrote:You guys are killin' me, it's been one freakin' game. Of all the games I watched this weekend there wasn't one team I saw that looked great, even the Colts who have had a great team the last 3-5 years looked very sloppy.

Yeah, but the Colts won.
You're right - one loss could merely mean a 15-1 season, and who can complain about that - but that logic works both ways. This team may settle down and get better as the season progresses, but so will other teams. It's not like the league stands still. I'm still a 'skins fan, but I've seen enough problems to cause me some concern.

skinsfanno9 wrote:The thing we really don't know is how good the Vikings are. They may suck - we'll find out. It may be that the Vikings, a 9-7 team last year, is actually better than that this year. I don't believe this, but who knows...

I trashed the Vikings during the preseason, but I was wrong - they're better than I thought. Still, I don't think they're even a top 5 team in the NFC, so if we can't beat them, well . . . .

Regardless, I think our offense is only 3-4 weeks away. The concern though is I no longer think the Defense is good enough to hold the fort till then.

I think the NFC is going to be very competitive this year, as is our division. The difference between being in the playoffs and watching them on TV will come down to one game, and we can't afford to take 1/4 the season to find a groove. Maybe spending the preseason practicing losing wasn't the best plan. All 4 teams that beat us down in the preseason actually won on opening day, including 3 on the road.

For now, I'm going with a conservative record of 14-2, but my gut tells me 15-1.

Either way, I know that we will be 1-1 next week, and that's all that matters right now.


The players seems to be able to get over the loss. How 'bout we support them by doing the same?

I'm predicting 5-11 right now. The team I saw last night is one of the worst in the league. Some of what I feel will contribute to this year's downfall are injuries, but the continued aging of an over-the-hill QB, and inexplicably pathetic O-line play won't help at all either. I hope I'm wrong about all of this, but Sunday night is shaping up to be even worse than last night.

I'm going with 11-5.

After a long wait for football season to begin, last night was frustrating. But, I'd think a lot of the problems can be corrected with good coaching and hard work.

Good things from last night:

1. no sacks
2. no turnovers
3. Moss and ARE looked explosive (take away the big hit on Moss and he scores)
4. Except for the first and last drives of each half, the D looked pretty good especially considering our #1 corner was out. Evans' tipped pass was inches away from being returned by Holdman for a TD.

Bad things from last night:

1. Poor clock mgmt. at the end of the 1st half. We had 1st down inside their 20 with 2 minutes left. Yet, we allow them time to score before half after we kick a field goal. Yes, we almost scored a TD, but the two incompletions allowed too much time for their drive.

2. Other than the one punt return and good coverage on one kickoff, special teams were not good. Frost has got to go.(another shanked punt and a kickoff to the 18....yikes).

3. Halftime adjustmets. Seemed to me the vikings coaching staff outcoached us at halftime.

4. Pass blocking schemes-way too much pressure from the ends forced too many broken plays/balls thrown away.

5. Not enough from the running game. Portis is so much better than Betts. Where was Duckett?

This game reminded me a lot of the mid-season funk we had last year....just missing turnovers, losing close games against teams we can/should beat. Perhaps the early loss will put pressure on the team to respond earlier in the season. A win over the hated Cowboys next Sunday and we are right back in the race.

die cowboys die wrote:thought it might be interesting to see how we forecast ourselves from week to week as the team goes through its ups and downs. after week 1 my prediction is:

7-9

let's face it- we are a bad football team right now. not even mediocre- bad. the offensive line is not horrible but it sure isn't good. special teams are a nightmare. we have no pass rush and absolutely no pass coverage. the passing game is still anemic.

some of these i have hope, maybe even faith that they will improve. but the pass defense is going to be abysmal all season long, let's face it. we only have a total of 2.5 guys that can cover (springs=1, taylor=1, rogers=.5). all the rest of them are not just bad, they are cover-your-eyes awful. that's not going to get better.

i also don't believe the passing game will ever get much better under brunell. we've seen what he has to offer, and it's exactly the same as last year-- which will NOT BE GOOD ENOUGH THIS YEAR, PERIOD. you can't expect him to suddenly turn into peyton manning. it's time to move on and let campbell take his lumps.

how do the rest of you see the season shaking out, and why?

OMG dude, your such a hater!

Hey maybe we should fire Joe Gibbs if you know what I mean!

I'm going to keep this thread in mind once we start rolling.

If we lose the next 2 to 3 games to go 0-3/0-4 then we should seriously put Campbell in there for the remaining of the year. We need to see what he can offer this team and make him learn this year and hope he is ready for next year. If Brunnel is going to give us under 200 yards of passing each game and no movement on 3rd down then we should make the switch to see what our future holds.

There are many weaknesses on this team and they can't be addressed all at once. It will be a slow process but it needs to be done. The offensive line has been together for 4 years and I do not see much improvement. Samuels and Jansen aren't the monsters we blindly think they are. Portis is a stud and we need the line to open up holes for him and these guys aren't doing it. Whatever yards he does get is pretty much all him. They don't pass block that well either. Portis is there meanest blocker and that is sad.

I think the WR's are fine. If the QB had more time to get them the ball we wouldn't have these problems. But since he is older and requires more time in the pocket things aren't clicking just yet.

Defensive line has been weak in the preseason and in last nights game. But this unit I have faith in. Remember last year in the first few games they were giving up huge running plays but once they settled in it got fixed. LB's are fine no problems there. CB's....well this one is hard to say. We have Springgs out and that hurts. Carlos Rodgers is a good #2 but not #1 at least not yet. ST is awesome....AA not to great. He's not bad and it's only been one game but I don't see him earning his money.

Special Teams need HELP. I don't know if its coaching or what. At least we have a threat in the punt return aspect with ARE. Frost and Hall need to go. No questions asked. Why pay these guys when they don't help at all. Lastly the depth of the team. Depth is WEAK everywhere. If one starter goes down the backups suck except for a few cases.

I truely feel our lack of depth could hurt us big time. This is stuff the draft is used for and not free agency.

dnpmakkah wrote:The offensive line has been together for 4 years and I do not see much improvement. Samuels and Jansen aren't the monsters we blindly think they are. Portis is a stud and we need the line to open up holes for him and these guys aren't doing it. Whatever yards he does get is pretty much all him. They don't pass block that well either. Portis is there meanest blocker and that is sad.

I can't explain what happened last night at all, but the O-line is usually much better than this. I don't think they all got old and slow overnight, and I expect they'll be much better than this next week and onward.

Im going with 6-10, MABYE 7-9 if we catch a few breaks. I could break down exactly why this is the care, but people have all ready pointed out many of this teams flaws....

Playing on MNF gave me a chance to watch many other teams play over the weekend. We looked BAD last night.

Since this is a week to week prediction, I'm going with 7-9. Hopefully, my prediction next sunday will be 15-1.

HaiL,

Gus

10-6 if our defense picks it up the way they can. 6-10 if they play the way they did last night.

air_hog wrote:

die cowboys die wrote:thought it might be interesting to see how we forecast ourselves from week to week as the team goes through its ups and downs. after week 1 my prediction is:

7-9

let's face it- we are a bad football team right now. not even mediocre- bad. the offensive line is not horrible but it sure isn't good. special teams are a nightmare. we have no pass rush and absolutely no pass coverage. the passing game is still anemic.

some of these i have hope, maybe even faith that they will improve. but the pass defense is going to be abysmal all season long, let's face it. we only have a total of 2.5 guys that can cover (springs=1, taylor=1, rogers=.5). all the rest of them are not just bad, they are cover-your-eyes awful. that's not going to get better.

i also don't believe the passing game will ever get much better under brunell. we've seen what he has to offer, and it's exactly the same as last year-- which will NOT BE GOOD ENOUGH THIS YEAR, PERIOD. you can't expect him to suddenly turn into peyton manning. it's time to move on and let campbell take his lumps.

how do the rest of you see the season shaking out, and why?

OMG dude, your such a hater!

Hey maybe we should fire Joe Gibbs if you know what I mean!

I'm going to keep this thread in mind once we start rolling.

please do that. posts like this puzzle me. when the team goes out and plays that pitifully- that far under their abilities, it is not just an embarassment to the team, it's an insult to the fans. don't you understand that? last night, they went out on national TV, and said "air hog is a bitch. die cowboys die is a turd" and so on. even if they win all the rest of their games it doesn't change the insult to the fans they committed this week. we can and should forgive them but only if they work their butts off at making sure it doesn't happen again.

"loyalty" doesn't equate to blind optimism- i've been down that route. all loyalty demands is that you watch, and care what happens, every week.

I love threads like these.


There are a few every year, whether your team starts at 0-1.

Or even when your team starts at 2-0.


Predictable in every sense of the word. . .


I'm going to stick with 11-5 or 10-6. On a good day, I'm more in line with 13-3 or 12-4.

Irn-Bru wrote:I love threads like these.


There are a few every year, whether your team starts at 0-1.

Or even when your team starts at 2-0.


Predictable in every sense of the word. . .


I'm going to stick with 11-5 or 10-6. On a good day, I'm more in line with 13-3 or 12-4.

I guess you must have seen a different game than me last night. We were bad. 13-3 is a pipe dream. I've seen the 'skins at 14-2, and this team is nowhere near the same level as that one. We'll be lucky to go 10-6 with the competition in this division, and even luckier to win a playoff spot.

Our main problems are QB and corner. With Springs out, our defense is vulnerable. Very vulnerable. It doesn't matter if we stop their running game if we can't get any pressure on their QB in passing situations, and with Wright and Rumph out there, we don't dare blitz. (In case you didn't notice, that was Brad Johnson back there, not Tom Brady, Dan Marino, or Johnny Unitas. Although anyone can be excused if they thought it was one of those three). And with no blitz, we have no pressure. With no pressure, we are dead. End of story. It starting to look like our wonderful new DE was a mistake, too.

On the other side, Brunell is the problem. Our O-line is not bad, but without Portis running like the phenom he is, other teams are going to tee off on the QB every plan and play us up tight all game and jjust dare us to go long. This breaks down everything on offense, and that puts enough pressure on our defense to kill them too. How many long throws did Brunell even ATTEMPT last night? I can remember only one. With at least two fantastic targets!!! That tells me he can't or won't throw it long anymore, and other teams know it..

.8-Pi

old-timer:

On the other side, Brunell is the problem. Our O-line is not bad, but without Portis running like the phenom he is, other teams are going to tee off on the QB every plan and play us up tight all game and jjust dare us to go long. This breaks down everything on offense, and that puts enough pressure on our defense to kill them too. How many long throws did Brunell even ATTEMPT last night? I can remember only one. With at least two fantastic targets!!! That tells me he can't or won't throw it long anymore, and other teams know it.

DarthMonk:

How far does one need to be able to throw it to "throw it long?" I have enough arm to go 60 yards with 3 steps behind me and I'm 47 later this month. It is not Brunell's arm. Saunders simply did not call that play. "Why" is another story but Brunell is strong enough to go deep.

You are right about us not going long making it so we have to do everything else the hard way but it's not Brunell's fault Saunders didn't call for the long ball and it's not for lack of arm strength that Saunders didn't call for it. There are guys with stronger arms but his is strong enough.

die cowboys die wrote:

air_hog wrote:

die cowboys die wrote:thought it might be interesting to see how we forecast ourselves from week to week as the team goes through its ups and downs. after week 1 my prediction is:

7-9

let's face it- we are a bad football team right now. not even mediocre- bad. the offensive line is not horrible but it sure isn't good. special teams are a nightmare. we have no pass rush and absolutely no pass coverage. the passing game is still anemic.

some of these i have hope, maybe even faith that they will improve. but the pass defense is going to be abysmal all season long, let's face it. we only have a total of 2.5 guys that can cover (springs=1, taylor=1, rogers=.5). all the rest of them are not just bad, they are cover-your-eyes awful. that's not going to get better.

i also don't believe the passing game will ever get much better under brunell. we've seen what he has to offer, and it's exactly the same as last year-- which will NOT BE GOOD ENOUGH THIS YEAR, PERIOD. you can't expect him to suddenly turn into peyton manning. it's time to move on and let campbell take his lumps.

how do the rest of you see the season shaking out, and why?

OMG dude, your such a hater!

Hey maybe we should fire Joe Gibbs if you know what I mean!

I'm going to keep this thread in mind once we start rolling.

please do that. posts like this puzzle me. when the team goes out and plays that pitifully- that far under their abilities, it is not just an embarassment to the team, it's an insult to the fans. don't you understand that? last night, they went out on national TV, and said "air hog is a bitch. die cowboys die is a turd" and so on. even if they win all the rest of their games it doesn't change the insult to the fans they committed this week. we can and should forgive them but only if they work their butts off at making sure it doesn't happen again.

"loyalty" doesn't equate to blind optimism- i've been down that route. all loyalty demands is that you watch, and care what happens, every week.

Dude are you kidding! This is one of the most absurd posts I have ever seen at THN.

they went out on National TV and said, air hog is a bitch

OMG dude, they had a bad game. It was Week 1. It was the first time the whole team played 60 Minutes of football with a new 700 Page playbook.

We had a bad game. It happens.

I mean did you see the Oakland game?

They played their guts out and the game came down to a kick, and we missed it.

And think of it this way. If we played soooo bad like you said, yet we still only lost because of last second kick, then image how we'll be if we only bring our B game...

Chill out

One game does not make a season. I am thoroughly disgusted with last night's performance, but that doesn't mean it can't be turned around. I'd rather go through the pain now rather than later. Or even mid-season like last year. I'm still in the 10-6 or even 11-5 camp.

I say 10-6. First of all, if there is one offense that exposes the weaknesses of Williams's attacking defense, it is the West Coast offense. Quick passes negate the blitz (which is the reason we did not blitz). Also, if our defense has been poor in any area, it has been covering running backs catching passes out in the flat. It's still a big weakness.

It's not a good night if Archuleta has as many tackles [8] as the entire starting defense line--Griffin (1), Salave'a (2), Daniels (2), and Carter (3). Certainly Griffin is not at 100%, which I imagine is why we saw so much of Golston--who had a pretty good game, by the way. But if we can't stop teams from running it right up our gut, it's going to be a long season.

More of a concern is the teams' "so what" attitude about losing. I don't get that. This doesn't come from the coaches, so I don't know where the players are getting it. Do none of these players get angry after losing anymore?