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who do you all think would win in a fight, Ali or Bruce Lee. I am in a debate with one of my friends, having a background in both, I would say Bruce Lee because he is trained to strike with more than his fists. An opponent also broke bruce Lee's back in a fight and he came back to win it. My friend says that Lee would not survive a couple of bear handed fists from Ali in his prime, I think he could than a couple of Lee's kicks would finish Ali off. Ali did get his ass beat by Jhoon Rhee when he sparred against him, Ali was vunerable to kicks, but he learned and than it became even when they sparred. But I think if he is even or lost to Jhoon Rhee there is no way he could beat Bruce, I don't think anyone that has existed can beat Brunce Lee in a fight.

Id have to go with him.

John Manfreda wrote:who do you all think would win in a fight, Ali or Bruce Lee. I am in a debate with one of my friends, having a background in both, I would say Bruce Lee because he is trained to strike with more than his fists. An opponent also broke bruce Lee's back in a fight and he came back to win it. My friend says that Lee would not survive a couple of bear handed fists from Ali in his prime, I think he could than a couple of Lee's kicks would finish Ali off. Ali did get his ass beat by Jhoon Rhee when he sparred against him, Ali was vunerable to kicks, but he learned and than it became even when they sparred. But I think if he is even or lost to Jhoon Rhee there is no way he could beat Bruce, I don't think anyone that has existed can beat Brunce Lee in a fight.

Bruce lee was an excellent martial artist & could have easily defeated any boxer. Ali was trained to punch. Period. Lee could not only kick as well as punch, but deliver a wide variety of other blows with his hands.

As for anyone who ever existed, I would never make that claim about anybody, there are some things that can't be known. For Lee in particular, he was rather small. I bigger man with comparable skills would probably have been too much.

There have been many outstanding martial artists who never made movies.

Bruce Lee, no doubt.

Ali has to be able to "hit" him to have a chance. He won't be able to.

you should have made a poll then we can vote . I would pick lee as long as he landed the first punch or roundhouse. Ali would win if he could land a solid punch on the elusive Lee.

Cappster wrote:you should have made a poll then we can vote . I would pick lee as long as he landed the first punch or roundhouse. Ali would win if he could land a solid punch on the elusive Lee.

Martial artists learn to withstand blows as well as deliver them. It would take a very good puncg from Ali, 1 that is extremely unlikely since Lee would be in constant motion. How often do you see a real 1 punch KO, 1 where it was really the 1st punch of the fight?

chuck norris would kill both. that is the only answer you need.

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hailskins666 wrote:chuck norris would kill both. that is the only answer you need.

i just made another chuck norris funny.

No way, Bruce Lee would beat him.

Lee was probably better in his prime than Norris was in his.

It's such a one-sided matchup... I think Lee could still beat him now!

As a second degree black belt I can tell you that Lee was far too small to fight Ali. Don't be fooled by myth and movie making, Ali would have made a great martial artist as well as boxer with little trouble; he had incredible foot speed and tremendous flex in legs and torso. He could kick a head as easily as other men punch and in his prime could move from punches at almost point blank range. Check tapes of his fight with Terrell.
Most importantly, the weight advantage is real, not some fantasy of boxing experts, etc.
The impact of his blows were such that they would have sent shock waves through Lee, who was very small, whether the blows were blocked or not.
Ali would have gotten knockdowns with blocked punches, repeatedly. A flying kick at someone like Ali would have been disaster. Any martial artists will tell you that stuff's for fun, not for the ring or street. But that's just the start. There's the reach advantage, the difference in experience in real combat, etc.
Featherweights can't fight heavyweight until the difference in athleticism is extreme. Ali was probably one of the most gifted athletes in the world and outweighted Lee by as much as 90 lbs. Lee would have had his hands full
if they had been the same weight. They weren't.

crazyhorse1 wrote:As a second degree black belt I can tell you that Lee was far too small to fight Ali. Don't be fooled by myth and movie making, Ali would have made a great martial artist as well as boxer with little trouble; he had incredible foot speed and tremendous flex in legs and torso. He could kick a head as easily as other men punch and in his prime could move from punches at almost point blank range. Check tapes of his fight with Terrell.
Most importantly, the weight advantage is real, not some fantasy of boxing experts, etc.
The impact of his blows were such that they would have sent shock waves through Lee, who was very small, whether the blows were blocked or not.
Ali would have gotten knockdowns with blocked punches, repeatedly. A flying kick at someone like Ali would have been disaster. Any martial artists will tell you that stuff's for fun, not for the ring or street. But that's just the start. There's the reach advantage, the difference in experience in real combat, etc.
Featherweights can't fight heavyweight until the difference in athleticism is extreme. Ali was probably one of the most gifted athletes in the world and outweighted Lee by as much as 90 lbs. Lee would have had his hands full
if they had been the same weight. They weren't.

i agree.....well said.

Tony Jaa

The pre-Total Gym Chuck Norris would have had issues w/Bruce Lee. The post-Total Gym Chuck Norris would dominate the 70's Lee. You just can't compete with 2006 informercial exercise technology.

HOSS wrote:

crazyhorse1 wrote:As a second degree black belt I can tell you that Lee was far too small to fight Ali. Don't be fooled by myth and movie making, Ali would have made a great martial artist as well as boxer with little trouble; he had incredible foot speed and tremendous flex in legs and torso. He could kick a head as easily as other men punch and in his prime could move from punches at almost point blank range. Check tapes of his fight with Terrell.
Most importantly, the weight advantage is real, not some fantasy of boxing experts, etc.
The impact of his blows were such that they would have sent shock waves through Lee, who was very small, whether the blows were blocked or not.
Ali would have gotten knockdowns with blocked punches, repeatedly. A flying kick at someone like Ali would have been disaster. Any martial artists will tell you that stuff's for fun, not for the ring or street. But that's just the start. There's the reach advantage, the difference in experience in real combat, etc.
Featherweights can't fight heavyweight until the difference in athleticism is extreme. Ali was probably one of the most gifted athletes in the world and outweighted Lee by as much as 90 lbs. Lee would have had his hands full
if they had been the same weight. They weren't.

i agree.....well said.

While size is certainly an important factor in a fight, Lee's all around martial arts skills Would have more than compensated. Ali could punch. Period. Lee could kick, punch, strike with a wide assortment of other hand, knee & elbow techniques. He was also a solid grappler. Kicks don't have to be head high to be effective, Lee was a master of low kicks. Blows don't send shockwaves unless they connect. If avoided or deflected, they have no effect.

crazyhorse1 wrote:As a second degree black belt I can tell you that Lee was far too small to fight Ali. Don't be fooled by myth and movie making, Ali would have made a great martial artist as well as boxer with little trouble; he had incredible foot speed and tremendous flex in legs and torso. He could kick a head as easily as other men punch and in his prime could move from punches at almost point blank range. Check tapes of his fight with Terrell.
Most importantly, the weight advantage is real, not some fantasy of boxing experts, etc.
The impact of his blows were such that they would have sent shock waves through Lee, who was very small, whether the blows were blocked or not.
Ali would have gotten knockdowns with blocked punches, repeatedly. A flying kick at someone like Ali would have been disaster. Any martial artists will tell you that stuff's for fun, not for the ring or street. But that's just the start. There's the reach advantage, the difference in experience in real combat, etc.
Featherweights can't fight heavyweight until the difference in athleticism is extreme. Ali was probably one of the most gifted athletes in the world and outweighted Lee by as much as 90 lbs. Lee would have had his hands full
if they had been the same weight. They weren't.

I have a first degree black belt and a background in boxing, I also know about Ali's fights against Anotoni Inaki (japanese pro wrestler), and Jhoon Rhee. Ali was such a great athelte he could have played any sport and been good at it. He would have been awsome reciever, think of it 6'3 lighting speed and he could take a hit.

DieselFan wrote:The pre-Total Gym Chuck Norris would have had issues w/Bruce Lee. The post-Total Gym Chuck Norris would dominate the 70's Lee. You just can't compete with 2006 informercial exercise technology.

well said

1niksder wrote:

DieselFan wrote:The pre-Total Gym Chuck Norris would have had issues w/Bruce Lee. The post-Total Gym Chuck Norris would dominate the 70's Lee. You just can't compete with 2006 informercial exercise technology.

well said

The post total gym Norris is in his mid 60's. That would also make a difference.

yupchagee wrote:

1niksder wrote:

DieselFan wrote:The pre-Total Gym Chuck Norris would have had issues w/Bruce Lee. The post-Total Gym Chuck Norris would dominate the 70's Lee. You just can't compete with 2006 informercial exercise technology.

well said

The post total gym Norris is in his mid 60's. That would also make a difference.

Chuck is secretly using a Bo-flex (no one admits this because it would violate is contract, and he'd kill everyone) combined with the Total Gym he isn't aging.

chuck norris doesn't get older, time gets chuck norris

MY GOD! PASS OUT THE PARKAS IN HELL!

I agree with Crazy Horse. Those of you who never saw Ali fight have no idea how quick AND fast AND powerful he was. NO ONE could ever take a punch any better, and no one could find and hit a moving target any better.

Bruce Lee... Great martial artist, but, no comparison.

Think of it this way...

Pat Fischer was among the best open field tackling corners in the league in his time. But, no one ever wanted to see him one on one with Larry Csonka. Happened a couple of times... got his azz handed to him a couple of times. Doesn't make Fischer any less great.

I'd say Ali...dead guys are easy to hit, even if you do have Parkinsons.

Ali would have gotten knockdowns with blocked punches, repeatedly. A flying kick at someone like Ali would have been disaster. Any martial artists will tell you that stuff's for fun, not for the ring or street. But that's just the start. There's the reach advantage, the difference in experience in real combat, etc.

Since Lee's style was based on southern Shaolin Temple Boxing, there is no reason to expect him to try flying kicks. Those are more associated with northern Shaolin & the Korean styles. Lee would probbaly have used low kicks. A kick to the knee is very effective but not allowed in any competition that I know of. Lee did have a full contact background.

in their prime, i would have to say...

ali. that was one bad mother....

tcwest10 wrote:I'd say Ali...dead guys are easy to hit, even if you do have Parkinsons.