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Just stepping outside the box and looking in and this is what I may see:

I do see us using the 2nd round draft pick to aquire Brunell...Why you may ask..Well Gibbs has said he wants an experienced, verteran in the backup role and Brunell's agent stated that Brunell will not go anywhere where there is any chance of QB controversy...Patrick is the starter..We know it, Lord Gibbs knows it, Dan Snyder knows it, FatF*** Pasqeurelli and the rest of those jackass "analysts" know it...Many of you all are looking at the glass being half empty..Well look at the glass from the half full standpoint...Brunell can teach Ramsey a thing or two with his experience in the NFL...Ramsey has never had a good, seasoned verteran to learn alot from and I'm sure Rob Johnson taught him a thing or two but who's going to argue with me that Johnson is a better and smarter player than Brunell?? Plus Brunell has post-season experience and we all know there is a very good possibility that any QB in the league might not be in uniform come playoff time due to some kind of injury (regardless of Ramsey's unbeleivable toughness--one hit on any given play can end it all) So having Brunell when and if we get into playoffs next year is a HUGE benefit (even though he's lost both Championship games) Let us not forget Doug Williams was a backup before the playoffs much like Rypien...So I like the idea of having Brunell followed by Hasselbeck just for that reason...You CANNOT count and hope that you may have another Tom Brady waiting in the wings...Plus Gibbs wants good game experience, veteren QB's on his Roster and seeing Ramsey, Brunell and Hasselbeck I'm sure would make Gibbs feel real comfortable--Take into account our salary cap position and the most needed positions (mainly on the defensive front) and Williams has ties to Jevon Kearse and Ted Washington among others who we can use the $$$ for vereran, experienced and proven defensive players rather than using draft picks and the $$$ for a an unproven, inexperienced rookie (especially looking at who's available to draft--the defensive front does not look all that spectacular--and the offensive side for that matter) However I do NOT see us trading down from the #5 pick unless it's an offer we could not refuse--like I said in previous post I really, really do see us and I'M really, really hoping to use that pick on Kellen Winslow...Especially how Gibbs utilizes his TE's, Winslow is a perfect match

Overall I will welcome Mark Brunell with open arms and in my eyes it is a win-win situation

I agree with ya Skins Fan. If Brunell can come in as our #2 guy, I think he'll be a great addition. If the Skins want to bring him in to start a QB controversy for #1 QB...BIG MISTAKE!

Let's hope we get Brunell and he mentors P-Ram to be even a better QB!

Justice Hog wrote:I agree with ya Skins Fan. If Brunell can come in as our #2 guy, I think he'll be a great addition. If the Skins want to bring him in to start a QB controversy for #1 QB...BIG MISTAKE!

Let's hope we get Brunell and he mentors P-Ram to be even a better QB!

Exactly

Let me just chime in with 2 cents of my own...

There's only one reason I don't like bringing Brunell in... cap cost... that's it.

Any of you who know me from this board know that I have been an ardent patrick supporter for a long time... go back to my camp reports last year... but it doesn't matter.

if we can bring in a QB at a reasonable price that is going to BEAT PATRICK OUT OF A JOB, who cares about Patrick? Let me rephrase that... who cares if P-Ram is put on the back burner for a year?

The guy is pure class and I love him to death... but to be honest with y'all... if we bring in a guy that Joe Gibbs thinks outperforms him at camp... then it's good for the Redskins, and therefore, it's good for me.

Patrick has the character to deal with this and if he doesn't, then he'll never be as great as we think he will be.

So, having said all of that... if this costs a lot of money, then I think it's a big mistake. Because the money can be spent in more pressing areas to make us a better team.

But Mark Brunell is a good QB, albeit on the downslope of his carrer, he still has a good year or two left in him. Whether he starts, backs up, or just pushes Patrick to be a better QB, it's good for the Redskins.

At the right price.

True. What are we working with on the CAP?. Yeah I agree, but like BH stated if he cost to much we dont need him.

New England has raise the bar on players and coaches. Case and point... There are two players on the New England team that most peeps consider a "Superstar" Thats Tom Brady and Ty Law. New England won 15 straight games including the SB. We dont need big name players we need willing blue collars.

I think we could go after Jeff Blake for cheaper

I do see us using the 2nd round draft pick to aquire Brunell...Why you may ask..Well Gibbs has said he wants an experienced, verteran in the backup role and Brunell's agent stated that Brunell will not go anywhere where there is any chance of QB controversy...Patrick is the starter..

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Well, you're wrong. No team is going to give up a SECOND ROUND PICK, *especially* the Redskins, whose 2nd round pick is so high, it's almost a 1st round pick, so that they can have some quarterback, who by the waym hasnt played much football in a long time, hold the clipboard on Sundays.

You're simply wrong. Just like one team official said through the Washington Post. If they are using that high a pick to acquire something, they are using it to be a starter.

Ramsey's days in Washington are numbered. Good luck with Brunell, by the way. He's got a year or two left, possibly.

One thing that a lot of us may be overlooking, is the fact that Joe Gibbs and P-Ram met and discussed a few things not too long ago. I have no doubt that one of the things they discussed was the backup situation. I think we're all jumping the gun a little bit about the Brunell thing. If Gibbs had a plan to bring in a veteran QB to compete for the starting slot, I'm sure he would have mentioned something like that to P-Ram in their meeting. We need to rezlize that there are a lot of things that the public isn't privvy to, and one of those things is obviously what Joe and Patrick talked about.

Worst case scenario, is they bring Brunell in and he starts for two years while Ramsey learns. Brunell doesn't have many good years left, so maybe it's a perfect situation for Ramsey. And, after two years Brunell will pack it in, and pass the torch to P-Ram. What's so wrong with that? I agree with BH. The only issue here is the cap hit that we take, when we need that room to get some D line help. That being said, I think Gibbs realizes this and will undoubtedly have a plan to where it won't kill us on the cap.

HAVE FAITH IN JOE!

Some very good points here guys. I agree we really don't know what Gibbs has in mind here. It could be he looked at some film and didn't really like what he saw in Patrick. I know PRam has endear himself to us, but this is a new NFL it's hard to wait 2-3 years for a guy to develop. Gibbs knows he's under pressure to win and win now!!

As for Ramsey being a backup...maybe he doesn't want that maybe he's asked to go elsewhere if he's not in the immediate plans of the Redskins, hence the trade rumors. All I know is it's very early in the FA market, I think this is just the begining. I think your going to see Gibbs fill this team with as many "winners" as he can. The one thing this team has had trouble doing is winning, who on the current roster is going to step up and make a play when the games on the line??? They're far a few in between, Brunell has done that time and time again. I remember him going into Denver a few years ago and dismantling a great Denver team, that went on the win 2 SB. Be patient Gibbs know what he's doing.

Who's opinion do you value more SS or Gibbs???

Put yourself in Gibbs' shoes- you have about a three year window to win and all you have behind center is a banged up (albeit up and coming) 24 yr old and a prematurely balding kid who can't throw the ball 30 yds. Ask youself, wouldn't you rather have a proven winner step in and compete with the young talent?

He cant throw the ball 30 yards??? Were not talking about Tim Hasselbeck buddy. This is Patrick "cannon arm" Ramsey.

rs4life, i almost said the same thing, but i think he was refering to TH as the prematurly balding kid. PR being the 24 yr old. TH is the one who throws lame ducks over 15 yds.

the "prematurely balding kid" would in fact refer to TH...

Hahaha, the poor guy is prematurely balding isnt he? LOL. His brother Matt looks like hes 40 but hes only like 27.