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PLANE TERROR PLOT DISRUPTED

As some of you may know, I flew yesterday from London Heathrow to Canada. Trouble seems to have followed me after I thought I had left it behind. I have received threats of different kinds, I have been shot at while unarmed, I have been put in situations where and when the rescue or the security of innocent people are at stake, I have had my share of close calls in various emergencies in various forms of transportation, I have been in many tough situations before. HOWEVER,

I had never been in a situation where -my- flight was a true potential terrorist target or to be used potentially as a weapon for one. The crew did not tell us a word but I could tell that something was wrong.

All I want to say is this:

If I EVER face a situation where and when my plane is hijacked, I will fight them and organise a hell of a fight to kill whoever the bastards are. It has been a while that I do get in a flight without scanning all the people passing by and seated around me for strange behaviour during an international flight. I am obsessed with it now.

By the way, I do think that there wasn't an air marshall in this flight because while it was Trans-Atlantic, it was not intended to land in the US. We may have to re-think this approach in Canada.

All of this stresses the need to address as a matter of urgency the deep causes for violence and war around the world beyond temporary cease-fires. We need to seat down and demand permanent solutions to several key issues from our governments.

RiC

Glad to hear you made it safely back. This serves as a reminder that the war on terror, regardless of one's viewpoint on its various aspects, is in full swing.

I don't know what the permanent solutions are, but I sure wish we could find one. Unfortunately, the clandestine nature of the extremists make it very difficult.

JansenFan wrote:I don't know what the permanent solutions are, but I sure wish we could find one. Unfortunately, the clandestine nature of the extremists make it very difficult.

Some people are impossible to deal with. But there are others that can be talked to. The idea is to isolate as much as possible the radical elements on all sides.

Redskin in Canada wrote:

If I EVER face a situation where and when my plane is hijacked, I will fight them and organise a hell of a fight to kill whoever the bastards are. It has been a while that I do get in a flight without scanning all the people passing by and seated around me for strange behaviour during an international flight. I am obsessed with it now.

RiC

And this is why, though we've had our disagreements, I'd board any plane and sit next to you!

NikiH wrote:And this is why, though we've had our disagreements, I'd board any plane and sit next to you!

With you by my side, these bastards would not stand a chance to get to the cockpit, let alone taking over it.

By the way guys, THAT is the key: DO NOT ever wait until the bad guys get to the cockpit. Do WHATEVER fuzz you can. Even screaming is good Niki. And I hear you are pretty good at it in games. The attendants have a way to warn the pilots right away that something is wrong in the plane.

It was a passenger, not a flight attendant, that spotted the idiot that was trying to light up his shoe in mid-flight. Remember him? So, stay on guard. Sad but this is the reality we live in.

Just like the 7th July attacks on London, the scariest part of this plot is the alleged involvement of British nationals. Fighting the enemy abroad is one thing, but the enemy within is a different proposition. Nevertheless, I believe that our intelligence agencies are becoming better equipped to deal with the threat. At some time, another attack will almost certainly get through, but I am reassured by the belief that those responsible for our security are willing and able to do everything possible to deal with the threat.

It was a passenger, not a flight attendant, that spotted the idiot that was trying to light up his shoe in mid-flight. Remember him? So, stay on guard. Sad but this is the reality we live in.

Yes, and he was another British national. There is little doubt in my mind that the British government's policy towards Islamic radicals based in this country was very wrong for a long time. This was one case where the French were right - they criticised the lackadaisical approach to these people for years. Finally, we are starting to crack down on them, but I fear that European human rights legislation prevents us from doing all that is necessary.

UK Skins Fan wrote: Nevertheless, I believe that our intelligence agencies are becoming better equipped to deal with the threat.

Look, there is an interesting and very difficult dilemma facing security organizations worldwide. Let's see if I get it right:

1) the more you wait once you discover a plot, the more you learn about them and those involved, including the intellectual and economic support for it.

But

2) the more you wait once you discover a plot, the more likely that a change inschedule may come up and you may not have a chance to react on time.

In other words, the choice of the TIME to intervene is crucial not only to dismantle -ONE- attack but others in the future as well. This is a tough and expensive job for all governments for sure.

UK Skins Fan wrote:Finally, we are starting to crack down on them, but I fear that European human rights legislation prevents us from doing all that is necessary.

The only difference between the good and bad guys is the preservation of freedom, democracy and the respect for all universal human rights. They win if we begin to look and act like them on ALL sides.

Glad you made it home safly, RiC. The Hognostications wouldn't be the same without ya.

Thanks for the heads up.

I don't know what the permanent solutions are, but I sure wish we could find one. Unfortunately, the clandestine nature of the extremists make it very difficult.

It's not their clandestine nature so much as their willingness, even eagerness to die while killing "Infidels" that makes it impossible to reason with them or intimidate them.

The fact that they target "soft" (ie civilian) targets & hide behind their own women & children makes them extremely difficult to fight.

Redskin in Canada wrote: Sad but this is the reality we live in.

You said a mouthful, Glad you made it back safely.


I'm sure your headed out sooner rather than later so continue to be save and aware of your suroundings

I hope Boss and Taz made it home okay. I think they were flying back today, weren't they ?

SkinsChic wrote:I hope Boss and Taz made it home okay. I think they were flying back today, weren't they ?

Not from England.

They'll be fine and they will post as soon as they get a chance to get settled back home.

They made it home fine!

I'm sure the airport was a pain but either way they are home!

Thanks for the good wishes guys. Yep, I will be travelling over the next few weeks. I hate those strip-searches and the delays but how can I complain against them now?

Redskin in Canada wrote:Thanks for the good wishes guys. Yep, I will be travelling over the next few weeks. I hate those strip-searches and the delays but how can I complain against them now?

What we really need is world peace until after the season so that you don't miss any games.

tcwest10 wrote:What we really need is world peace until after the season so that you don't miss any games.

During the classic ancient Greek era, the Olympic games were enough reason to stop all wars among the different Greek City States. Not a bad idea if you ask me.

NikiH wrote:They made it home fine!

I'm sure the airport was a pain but either way they are home!

Whew ! Thanks for the info Niki

During the classic ancient Greek era, the Olympic games were enough reason to stop all wars among the different Greek City States. Not a bad idea if you ask me.

"Black September" pretty much finished this concept off in 1972.

Redskin in Canada wrote:

UK Skins Fan wrote:Finally, we are starting to crack down on them, but I fear that European human rights legislation prevents us from doing all that is necessary.

The only difference between the good and bad guys is the preservation of freedom, democracy and the respect for all universal human rights. They win if we begin to look and act like them on ALL sides.

My opposition to the plethora of European human rights legislation is not a reaction to terrorism, but I do have a concern that there are aspects of it which will hamper our security forces. There is a balancing act which needs to be performed here - this form of terrorism is one that requires some unusual measures. Guantanamo Bay is an example of a failure to perform that balancing act. But we should accept that greater levels of surveillance of suspects will need to take place, without unnecessarily restrictive legislation to get in the way.

Redskin in Canada wrote:

UK Skins Fan wrote: Nevertheless, I believe that our intelligence agencies are becoming better equipped to deal with the threat.

Look, there is an interesting and very difficult dilemma facing security organizations worldwide. Let's see if I get it right:

1) the more you wait once you discover a plot, the more you learn about them and those involved, including the intellectual and economic support for it.

But

2) the more you wait once you discover a plot, the more likely that a change inschedule may come up and you may not have a chance to react on time.

In other words, the choice of the TIME to intervene is crucial not only to dismantle -ONE- attack but others in the future as well. This is a tough and expensive job for all governments for sure.

You're absolutely right, and those who rush to judge the actions of our security forces would do well to consider the awesome responsibility that goes with making such decisions.

Another hazard of acting too early is the possibility that insufficient evidence will be gathered to achieve convictions. We must all hope that, if these men are guilty, they do not walk free for lack of evidence. But even that is better than the alternative of acting too late.

Redskin in Canada wrote:

UK Skins Fan wrote:Finally, we are starting to crack down on them, but I fear that European human rights legislation prevents us from doing all that is necessary.

The only difference between the good and bad guys is the preservation of freedom, democracy and the respect for all universal human rights. They win if we begin to look and act like them on ALL sides.

Predident Lincoln said: "The Constitution is not a suicide pact". Justice Jackson quoted him in a decision. We can allow our law enforcement people more leeway without danger to our rights. Remember, the most fundamental civil right is the right to live. If you're dead, the rest don't do much good.

Countertrey wrote:

During the classic ancient Greek era, the Olympic games were enough reason to stop all wars among the different Greek City States. Not a bad idea if you ask me.

"Black September" pretty much finished this concept off in 1972.

war stopped this past year on the ivory coast for the world cup!! its still a valid way to peace even if short lived...

its still a valid way to peace even if short lived...

If it's that short lived, is it peace, or just a tease? Real peace is not that fragile.