The-Hogs.net - Washington Football Discussion, Redskins to Commanders Era

hey everybody before i say anything i would like everybody to know that i bleed green and silver and will be an eagles fan to the day i die.

i have questions to all redskins fans about their quarterback situation. do you think mark brunell will last the season? is it possible that former first round pick jason campbell will start mid-season even if brunell doesnt get hurt? how good do you think mark brunell is?

for my last question i would like to list who the best nfc east quarterbacks are from best to worst.

mine would go

1.mcnabb
2.bledsoe
3.manning
4.brunell

thanks!

Thanks for your opinion, now flip your list upside down to see the final standings in the NFC East this year. See Ya

1. McNabb
2. Brunell
3. Bledsoe
4. Manning

Brunell had probowl stats last year. Manning only has success because of Tiki if you look at his numbers. Bledsoe doesn't have an offensive line, he's a statue and is currently having problems connecting with TO. Brunell led a team to the playoffs after 9 years, aided Moss in being the 2nd best WR in the NFC East and breaking the Redskins single season receiving records.

Manning...

samgames wrote:hey everybody before i say anything i would like everybody to know that i bleed green and silver and will be an eagles fan to the day i die.

i have questions to all redskins fans about their quarterback situation. do you think mark brunell will last the season? is it possible that former first round pick jason campbell will start mid-season even if brunell doesnt get hurt? how good do you think mark brunell is?

for my last question i would like to list who the best nfc east quarterbacks are from best to worst.

mine would go

1.mcnabb
2.bledsoe
3.manning
4.brunell

thanks!

You are going to die a very dejected person. Especially with us winning the superbowl this year and the eagles being the bottom feeders of the division. With that being said, here is my list of quarterbacks:

1. Brunell
2. Campbell
3. Collins
4. Randle El

All of the guys listed can beat the eagles if called upon to do so.

p.s. EAGLES WILL NEVER WIN A SUPERBOWL

Who cares what an Eagle fan thinks of the QB situation!!

Cappster wrote:here is my list of quarterbacks:

1. Brunell
2. Campbell
3. Collins
4. Randle El

samgames wrote:mine would go

1.mcnabb

Who really has no one to throw to... Being a Iggle fan you can always hope. (like for a use for that trophy case up in Philly.

samgames wrote:2.bledsoe

This would work, a statue throwing to his top receiver (who currently is riding a stationary bike, and calling it practice)

samgames wrote:3.manning

Shell shocked QB with wideouts and tightends that don't speak to him

samgames wrote:4.brunell

thanks!

At least one on your list is working with the guys that will be on the field when the season starts, worked with them during the off-season and are on the same sheet of music.

Here's my list.

1.Brunell... for the reasons stated and the options added. Even if the new guys don't put up numbers their presents alone will open up hold in the middle of the field for the TEs, and improve the running game which will help the QB.

2. The statue... If TtiT can get the O-line to hold up Drew should be OK once he and TO get their timing down. (something that's not happening right now )

2. Peyton Jr. ... Everyone wants him to be his big brother but he isn't. Peyton cracks late in the big games. You can ask Paxiglass when Eli does his cracking.

2. McChoke... No weapons to throw to. Pinkstons is coming back but he wasn't a lot when he went down, Brown is still a unknown if healthy, that's the end of the list. D-Mac can't carry the load if he breaks the starting lineup.

In other words the QBs in the NFC East are ALL second fiddle to MB in 2006

1niksder wrote:Even if the new guys don't put up numbers their presents alone will open up hold in the middle of the field for the TEs, and improve the running game which will help the QB.

No one told me there were going to be presents. And I didn't get you anything. I hope the refs don't see those holds in the middle.

Brunell is not as good as Mcnab, but than again people on this website said Brunell was as good as John Elway.

Every QB in the division is better then Eli.
The other three are close.
I'll give the edge to McNads cause he is younger; thats if you are looking for the QB of the future.
But for my team, the Redskins, Brunell is the perfect fit.
I think I am the only fan that likes that he throws the ball away so much

I just don't understand all the Brunell hate.

John Manfreda wrote:Brunell is not as good as Mcnab, but than again people on this website said Brunell was as good as John Elway.

Ramsey is gone.
Let it go.

Okay, we're talking talent at QB and not really focusing on what's surrounding him? I'll bite.

1. McNabb - Decent passer, excellent runner.
2. Brunell - Had me eating crow last year. Accurate arm. Can scramble if he must.
3. Manning - I'm putting him at #3 because of his potential. That's it.
4. Bledsoe - Okay passer, but his running days are long behind him.

Justice Hog wrote:Okay, we're talking talent at QB and not really focusing on what's surrounding him? I'll bite.

1. McNabb - Decent passer, excellent runner.
2. Brunell - Had me eating crow last year. Accurate arm. Can scramble if he must.
3. Manning - I'm putting him at #3 because of his potential. That's it.
4. Bledsoe - Okay passer, but his running days are long behind him.

I agree with this list. Brunell looked great at the scrimmage too... I do think he'll put up those great numbers again. Bledsoe cant scramble for his life and Manning is a Manning.

Punu wrote:

Justice Hog wrote:Okay, we're talking talent at QB and not really focusing on what's surrounding him? I'll bite.

1. McNabb - Decent passer, excellent runner.
2. Brunell - Had me eating crow last year. Accurate arm. Can scramble if he must.
3. Manning - I'm putting him at #3 because of his potential. That's it.
4. Bledsoe - Okay passer, but his running days are long behind him.

I agree with this list. Brunell looked great at the scrimmage too... I do think he'll put up those great numbers again. Bledsoe cant scramble for his life and Manning is a Manning.

Good to hear Brunell's looking solid and healthy.
What's wrong with a Manning? That Manning in Indy seems to be pretty solid. Honestly, who here wouldn't take P. Manning starting for this team in a heartbeat? With our current weapons at WR, TE, and RB, I know I would.

Mursilis wrote:

Punu wrote:

Justice Hog wrote:Okay, we're talking talent at QB and not really focusing on what's surrounding him? I'll bite.

1. McNabb - Decent passer, excellent runner.
2. Brunell - Had me eating crow last year. Accurate arm. Can scramble if he must.
3. Manning - I'm putting him at #3 because of his potential. That's it.
4. Bledsoe - Okay passer, but his running days are long behind him.

I agree with this list. Brunell looked great at the scrimmage too... I do think he'll put up those great numbers again. Bledsoe cant scramble for his life and Manning is a Manning.

Good to hear Brunell's looking solid and healthy.
What's wrong with a Manning? That Manning in Indy seems to be pretty solid. Honestly, who here wouldn't take P. Manning starting for this team in a heartbeat? With our current weapons at WR, TE, and RB, I know I would.

I really question Mannings heart in big games. How much more talent does he need to get it done?

I'm not trying to cast myself in the role of Eli fan but he is entering his third year of play, I think when you couch his performance in the QB development standard, he's not been that bad

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Mursilis wrote:

Punu wrote:

Justice Hog wrote:Okay, we're talking talent at QB and not really focusing on what's surrounding him? I'll bite.

1. McNabb - Decent passer, excellent runner.
2. Brunell - Had me eating crow last year. Accurate arm. Can scramble if he must.
3. Manning - I'm putting him at #3 because of his potential. That's it.
4. Bledsoe - Okay passer, but his running days are long behind him.

I agree with this list. Brunell looked great at the scrimmage too... I do think he'll put up those great numbers again. Bledsoe cant scramble for his life and Manning is a Manning.

Good to hear Brunell's looking solid and healthy.
What's wrong with a Manning? That Manning in Indy seems to be pretty solid. Honestly, who here wouldn't take P. Manning starting for this team in a heartbeat? With our current weapons at WR, TE, and RB, I know I would.

I really question Mannings heart in big games. How much more talent does he need to get it done?

People always hit him with that charge of being a choker, but it does have some merit, so I don't know. Still, you've got to be pretty good to actually get the chance to play in some big games, so I continue to admire his career overall.

He's a heck of a player. I like Manning because he's such a student of the game. As a player, I dont think you could have a more complete QB. He has the mental aspect of the game locked DOWN! He goes out there and orchestrates his offense against the defense like a chess match. He also has the atheletic ability to act upon what he spots out in the defense.

With the team he's had, I dont see how thy haven't gone all the way yet. As the leader of the team he bears that burden but its not all his fault.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:He's a heck of a player. I like Manning because he's such a student of the game. As a player, I dont think you could have a more complete QB. He has the mental aspect of the game locked DOWN! He goes out there and orchestrates his offense against the defense like a chess match. He also has the atheletic ability to act upon what he spots out in the defense.

With the team he's had, I dont see how thy haven't gone all the way yet. As the leader of the team he bears that burden but its not all his fault.

That's fair; I won't argue about any of that. Maybe all that time in the dome has handicapped thier ability to play ugly outdoor games - twice they lost to the Pats in New England in the playoffs. Of course, last year they lost to Pittsburgh at home, so who knows what their issue is exactly. I really thought they were going to the Super Bowl last year. I was shocked Pittsburgh beat 'em.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:He's a heck of a player. I like Manning because he's such a student of the game. As a player, I dont think you could have a more complete QB. He has the mental aspect of the game locked DOWN! He goes out there and orchestrates his offense against the defense like a chess match. He also has the atheletic ability to act upon what he spots out in the defense.

With the team he's had, I dont see how thy haven't gone all the way yet. As the leader of the team he bears that burden but its not all his fault.

Uhhhhhhhhhhh..... I think the Manning that's being discussed in this thread is the younger Manning, and, while good, he's nowhere near being the student Peyton is.

I think I'd still put Bledsoe ahead of Eli, simply based on experience. If FIos'observation holds true about his third year development, he should surpass Bledsoe by mid-season.

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:He's a heck of a player. I like Manning because he's such a student of the game. As a player, I dont think you could have a more complete QB. He has the mental aspect of the game locked DOWN! He goes out there and orchestrates his offense against the defense like a chess match. He also has the atheletic ability to act upon what he spots out in the defense.

With the team he's had, I dont see how thy haven't gone all the way yet. As the leader of the team he bears that burden but its not all his fault.

Uhhhhhhhhhhh..... I think the Manning that's being discussed in this thread is the younger Manning, and, while good, he's nowhere near being the student Peyton is.

I think I'd still put Bledsoe ahead of Eli, simply based on experience. If FIos'observation holds true about his third year development, he should surpass Bledsoe by mid-season.

Bledsoe needs a top O-line to be effective. I don't think he'll have it.

I watched Bledsoe closely up here in Boston and I am glad to see him in a Cowboys uniform. When the pocket collapses around him you can just say "timberrrrr!". He'll have a couple of great games and then will blow more with stupid interceptions or by holding on to the ball too long and getting sacked all day long.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:He's a heck of a player. I like Manning because he's such a student of the game. As a player, I dont think you could have a more complete QB. He has the mental aspect of the game locked DOWN! He goes out there and orchestrates his offense against the defense like a chess match. He also has the atheletic ability to act upon what he spots out in the defense.

With the team he's had, I dont see how thy haven't gone all the way yet. As the leader of the team he bears that burden but its not all his fault.

brunell and mcnabb are pretty complete qb's, with the mental aspect of the game down more than eli, that's for sure...

Manning is entering his 3rd year... so he should do very well. But overall every QB in the NFC east will be close in stats cuz their WR's and other weapons around them will serve them well.

Punu wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:He's a heck of a player. I like Manning because he's such a student of the game. As a player, I dont think you could have a more complete QB. He has the mental aspect of the game locked DOWN! He goes out there and orchestrates his offense against the defense like a chess match. He also has the atheletic ability to act upon what he spots out in the defense.

With the team he's had, I dont see how thy haven't gone all the way yet. As the leader of the team he bears that burden but its not all his fault.

brunell and mcnabb are pretty complete qb's, with the mental aspect of the game down more than eli, that's for sure...

Manning is entering his 3rd year... so he should do very well. But overall every QB in the NFC east will be close in stats cuz their WR's and other weapons around them will serve them well.

Actually, CLL and I went off on a tangent about Peyton, not Eli. I think that's the Manning he was talking about.

ChrisHanburger wrote:I watched Bledsoe closely up here in Boston and I am glad to see him in a Cowboys uniform. When the pocket collapses around him you can just say "timberrrrr!". He'll have a couple of great games and then will blow more with stupid interceptions or by holding on to the ball too long and getting sacked all day long.

I see stuff like this all the time, and Bledsoe being called a 'statute', but since I basically only watch the Cowboys if they're playing us, I've personally seen too little of Bledsoe to know if it's true. So I decided to pull up each NFC East QB's sack stats to find the truth. Since McNabb didn't play a full season last year, I dropped him from considertion. I found the following:

1. Brunell - 27 sacks last season. Not bad, less than 2/game on average.

2. Manning - 28. Not bad either. At least he's learning to move and/or get rid of the ball before he's thrown for a loss.

3. Bledsoe - 49!! That's just over 3/game! The statute is guilty as charged! Can't wait to see what A. Carter and the rest of the defense does to him this year!

Wow... So many homers...so little time.

Anyway- Come on - if you can honestly say you would rather have Brunell at te helm instead of McNabb I'd have to say you are McCrazy. Or maybe have eaten at McDonnals so much your brain is clogged with grease.

HOPEFULLY Brunell will be the 2006 version of Trent Dilfer when the Ravens won the SB.

McNabb is CLEARLY #1.

After that all the QB's have problems.

Manning - Young
Beldsoe - Imobile
Brunell - Weak arm

If I HAD to rank them for who i would pick to win one game between these clowns I would put Brunell 2nd, Manning 3, Bledsoe 4.

But my concern is when I was watching the play-offs last year ALL THE BEST TEAMS have MUCH better QBs.

Brady, Manning, Big Ben, Delhome, Hasslesnatch, Palmer.

All these guys are MUCH better then Brunell.