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Needs to go to get Kellen Winslow Jr. if he is still available when the Skins are on the clock. The guy has speed, excellent hands and more importantly...BLOCK. If he is not available then Kevin Jones at RB would be a terrific alternate if he is even available.

Either way you look at it, TE needs to be resolved just as if not more important than RB

Ben Watson would be a good pick in the draft at the 2nd or 3rd round.

I'm with you Jake on Ben Watson in the 2nd/3rd round. Sean Taylor in the 1st, unless we get a trade offer we can't refuse.

Taylor is solid, but he wouldn't make the sudden and immediate impact K2 would make...

Kellen Winslow alone could take this team from 5-11 to 9-7

Can't agree with that at all.
Gibbs will have the impact to improve this team, he never had a high round TE before and doesn't need one now.

What? That doesn't even make sense...

Using that logic what's the point of going out and drafting anyone in 2004?

"Gibbs never needed Sean Taylor before, so he doesn't need him now"

Kellen Winslow is the most impressive offensive force in the entire draft IMO. He will have a HUGE impact on our passing game next season. Taylor is great but he won't have the impact on defense, that Winslow will have on offense... A saftey is still gonna need a defensive line to be effective

don't be so banal.

I never mentioned a name I mentioned a position.
For years the only 1st rounder we had was darrell green, no matter what offensive forces there were. God knows there were some great ones.

I've been saying in several posts that D-Line is most important. Add to that what would be the best secondary and suddenly we go from being one of the worst D's to one of the best.

Our O wasn't too bad last year and with Gibbs using proper protection and blocking schemes, that'll be improved whatever the personnel.

I think Ohalete and Bowen did fine last season...

TE is the weakest spot on our roster, and a possible hall of fame TE is gonna be delivered right to us.

If the d-line is fixed up in free agency you'd be surprised the added production you'd see out of the secondary. It's hard to stop the pass when you give the QB 6 seconds to throw the ball

Kellen Winslow alone could take this team from 5-11 to 9-7

what have you been smoking? can i get a hit? a rookie, worth 4 wins by himself? the kids a great player, but you expect him by himself to take this team into the playoffs? theres no "i" in team, but maybe there is a "winslow", let me check..........

I agree that Ohalete did ok. I wasn't too taken with brown.

If we can get Darius, for reasonable money and still improve the D-Line a-plenty, I wouldn't be against taking Winslow as I do believe he would be a better fit than any other offensive player in ther draft.

My priorities are on defense first after last seasons abysmal showing. If thats addressed in FA, then yes, take Winslow.

Alright, Winslow AND Joe Gibbs...

What I meant was that Winslow (and the right blocking schemes) would open the run game (Canidate and Betts aren't THAT bad... there were games with the Rams that Canidate did better that Marshall Faulk!) AND open the passing game up with another legit recieving threat downfield. Winslow would have a gigantic effect on the offense...

Taylor would have a moderate effect on the defense and his progress might even be stifled by lack of a defensive line.

The pieces are already in place for Winslow to succede, but a lot more is open on defense. Also, TE is a much bigger hole than S IMO

I'm not sure that Taylor would have just a "moderate" effect on the defense. Just look what Roy Williams did with the team-that-must-not-be-named (that's a little harry Potter right there!), and people are saying that Taylor is a better prospect than Ed Reed or Williams. And like Jake pointed out, a quality tight end should be available with our second or third round pick, if we don't waste one on Brunell. Oh by the way, how did you get your avatar redskins logo without 100 posts? I may be interested in a similar set-up!

Oh by the way, how did you get your avatar redskins logo without 100 posts? I may be interested in a similar set-up!

new rules. go to the "profile" link at the top of the page, and at the bottom of your profile page, there's a new section that lets you choose one. click on "show gallery" pick the one you want then hit the "submit" button. custom avatars are going to take a few more post than 100 to get, although boss hasn't decided how many exactly, so get to posting and you'll be on your way

thanks 666!

Pick Udeze from USC. The guy will make at least as big of an impact as any other available guy, plus he fills the Skins biggest need. I agree with ferryrich that TE is not a position that was featured much in Gibbs offense and we can pick up a good blocking TE later in the draft.

I wouldn't have a problem with drafting Winslow, but I think Taylor would have a greater impact in the long run. In Gibbs offense the TE/H-back is important, but you don't have to have All-Pro's. Didier,Warren,Walker,Orr were not All-Star's just solid players.
Taylor's impact could actually lead to more points for the offense. If He got say 4 int's and forced 3 fumble's that were to lead to 40-50 extra points. That could be the difference between 5-11 and 9-7.

There are strong cases being made for Winslow and Taylor.

Let's face it: It's a win/win situation for us if they are both available when we pick at #5.
We can entertain 'trade down' offers: There are going to be teams hungry to move up and grab both of these players. If we moved 2-8 spots down, we could pick up an additional pick or two and still get a playmaker or a much needed DT/DE.
Or we can use the choice. Question is do you want the guy with Kellen Winslow Sr. potential or the guy with Ronnie Lott potential?
I would take Taylor because he is faster than some CB's in the NFL and he's as big as some LB's. He would be a disruptive force in the pass rush(Blitzing), He is a ballhawk (9 int's-2003), and he can cover like a corner.
I know Winslow would be great for the offense as well. That's why it's a great position for the Skins to be in. I bet Greg Williams is Sean Taylor's biggest promoter.

For all you Winslow Jr supporters I have 4 words for you. Jeremy Shockey, Tony Gonzalez. Having Shockey sure didn't get it done for the Giants last year. And yes, the chiefs were good, but because of Trent Green and P Holmes. The Chiefs sucked for a lot of years with Gonzo alone. And look at the turn around under the Tuna. It ain't from the offense. We need to draft a DT. Probably trade down and get something, and take Udeze from USC, Tommy Harris from Ok, or Wilfolk from Miami. Give our current secondary a chance to perform, by putting some pressure on the QB and stopping the run.

i totally disagree with the pick of winslow even though he will become the best recieving tight end n football. he dosent fit in well with the joe gibbs style offense. I would take the pick and trade it down for 2 lower pick about mid range and pick up a solid 3 down running back like kevin jones or chris perry that could possibly have an immedite impact in the nfl. they r both in my opinion tied for the best backs in this years draft but probally wont be taken in the top ten one might but not both either way we will have solid impact from both. with and if i would get a second pick i would get a defensive lineman. those are the two big areas of need going into the draft we can pick up an alright tightend through free agency that will better suit the gibbs style of offense. another thing to look out for this season is the play of taylor jacobs. with him and gardner and coles they are the next posse and the combination of the three with a solid runner will be playoff time in washington next season.

I don't think you'll get 2 mid first rounders for the number 5 pick. Maybe a 1st and 2nd rounder. Perry might actually slide to the 2nd round thought. I think your right on what the two picks need to be, but I think we need to draft a star DT, not a star RB. Gibbs can make a good RB into a great one, but DT is more based on talent. I'm sure we all remember Timmy Smith. For those of you that don't, he holds the record for rushing yards in a superbowl(playing for Gibbs). Was he a star, no. I believe he was the 2nd or 3rd RB on the squad. I think we can get a usable RB in the 2nd or 3rd round. Maybe even Maurice Clarett (Maybe too risky, but I'd love to see it anyway)

I like the risky pick of clarett in the third, and i like udeze with the pick we get when we trade down. pickup watson with another pick, add kearse and we win the division.

KW is a prick, who wants another Miami player (a la Sapp and Shockey) who doesn't know when to shut their neanderthalesque faces, and who complains all the time.

i don't see any argument against taylor though, he's better than roy.

West Coast Hog wrote:I don't think you'll get 2 mid first rounders for the number 5 pick. Maybe a 1st and 2nd rounder. Perry might actually slide to the 2nd round thought. I think your right on what the two picks need to be, but I think we need to draft a star DT, not a star RB. Gibbs can make a good RB into a great one, but DT is more based on talent. I'm sure we all remember Timmy Smith. For those of you that don't, he holds the record for rushing yards in a superbowl(playing for Gibbs). Was he a star, no. I believe he was the 2nd or 3rd RB on the squad. I think we can get a usable RB in the 2nd or 3rd round. Maybe even Maurice Clarett (Maybe too risky, but I'd love to see it anyway)

Maurice Clarett? I hope to God not!!!