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The United States was alone in voting against the resolution. Ten of the 15 Security Council nations voted in favor, and four abstained.

This resolution could have really helped stabilize the situation for a bit until calm was restored. But they should have known that it was going to get a veto. There is no way in hell that America would pass that resolution and anger Israel. If I were them I wouldn't even waste my time proposing a resoultion that goes against Israel because it almost never gets passed.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13839532/

At U.N. headquarters in New York, U.S. Ambassador John Bolton said Wednesday that the Security Council’s first step will be “to make the requirement that Iran suspend all uranium enrichment activities mandatory.” He said he expects the council to give Iran “a limited, fixed period of time to do that.”

If Iran fails to comply, Bolton said economic penalties would be the next step.

Here is one resolution that I'm sure they will not veto. The question is will it work?

In answer to the thread title: No, and for reasons that have little to do with the US.

And economic sanctions are always a bad idea. "How about we starve the innocent civilians in the country while their dictators get angrier and continue to do things we don't want them to?"

The United States was alone in voting against the resolution. Ten of the 15 Security Council nations voted in favor, and four abstained.

Your "indignation" (in reality, just another selective excuse to rail at the Bush Administration) is misplaced. If the Palestinians wanted Israel to stay out of Gaza, all they had to do was return the soldier. Quid pro quo.

How about, just once, you take an objective view? Never mind... about as much chance of that happening as of the dreaded United Nations sanction ever accomplishing anything other than providing mass quantities of hot air to warm NYC.

What a load of pig excrement.

Irn-Bru wrote: "How about we starve the innocent civilians in the country while their dictators get angrier and continue to do things we don't want them to?"

I guess there are two reasons behind this way of thinking.

1. As long as it is someone elses people who are being starved then it really doesnt matter to the people imposing the sanctions.

2. They think if they impose sanctions that the people of these countries might get angry at their own government and possibly try to over throw them or force some sort of change, which almost never happens.

dnpmakkah wrote:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13165159/

The United States was alone in voting against the resolution. Ten of the 15 Security Council nations voted in favor, and four abstained.

This resolution could have really helped stabilize the situation for a bit until calm was restored. But they should have known that it was going to get a veto. There is no way in hell that America would pass that resolution and anger Israel. If I were them I wouldn't even waste my time proposing a resoultion that goes against Israel because it almost never gets passed.

You have just shown that you not only hate the US, you also hate Israel. Typical of those who call themselves "liberals" or "progressives". This resolution would only encourage more violence from the Arabs. You somehow seem to think that Jews should not have the right to defend themselves. There is a word to describe people with this attitude" Anti Semite!

Attack the post, not the poster. This is not the smack forum.

Figures you'd jump to the defence of your comrade.

JSPB22 wrote:Attack the post, not the poster. This is not the smack forum.

He didn't attack the post or the poster, he formed a opinion based on what was posted.

1niksder wrote:

JSPB22 wrote:Attack the post, not the poster. This is not the smack forum.

He didn't attack the post or the poster, he formed a opinion based on what was posted.

I disagree. He is calling dnpmakkah an anti-Semite.

yupchagee wrote:You have just shown that you not only hate the US, you also hate Israel. Typical of those who call themselves "liberals" or "progressives". This resolution would only encourage more violence from the Arabs. You somehow seem to think that Jews should not have the right to defend themselves. There is a word to describe people with this attitude" Anti Semite!

And this is not the first time he talked smack in this forum.

yupchagee wrote:I'm SHOCKED that you aknowledfe that there is a God. I had you pegged as an autotheist.

I find that to be very offensive.

And for the record:

yupchagee wrote:Figures you'd jump to the defence of your comrade.

I am not jumping to his "defence" sic. I don't even happen to agree with him on this, or many of his other posts, if you care to look back for the record.

Israel is upset that Hamas and Hezbollah kidnapped their soldiers. The irony is that Hamas and Hezbollah are demanding the release of soldiers that Israel kidnapped

dnpmakkah wrote:Israel is upset that Hamas and Hezbollah kidnapped their soldiers. The irony is that Hamas and Hezbollah are demanding the release of soldiers that Israel kidnapped

What soldiers? You're talking about terrorists. The deliberately target civilians, they wear no uniforms, represent no country, do not carry their weapons in plain view. According to the Geneva Conventions you seem so fond of, That makes them unlawfull combatants. I'm glad you think this is funny.

yupchagee wrote:

dnpmakkah wrote:Israel is upset that Hamas and Hezbollah kidnapped their soldiers. The irony is that Hamas and Hezbollah are demanding the release of soldiers that Israel kidnapped

What soldiers? You're talking about terrorists. The deliberately target civilians, they wear no uniforms, represent no country, do not carry their weapons in plain view. According to the Geneva Conventions you seem so fond of, That makes them unlawfull combatants. I'm glad you think this is funny.

Yupster... clearly, there are some here who have difficulty grasping this simple concept. To be fair, however, an argument (and, yes, this remains a weak argument) could be made by some that Hamas, now that they are in power in Palestine, could be considered "soldiers".

Hezbollah, on the other hand, are nothing but cold blooded murdering thug terrorists who have no right to be mentioned in the same sentence as soldiers. This matters not to our friend, who has repeatedly demonstrated his contempt towards those who serve honorably.

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It's good that there are so many smileys. The developmentally delayed members of the board can communicate just by pushing a few buttons.

dnpmakkah wrote: U.N. Resolutions - Do They Work?

The truth based on history is:

Yes and no.

Some -adopted- resolutions work, others do not.

Some -proposed- resolutions are accepted, others are not.

Some -proposals- are not meant to be really adopted. They are used as political pressure in one way or another during a debate.

I am back for a few days.

RiC

Countertrey wrote:

yupchagee wrote:

dnpmakkah wrote:Israel is upset that Hamas and Hezbollah kidnapped their soldiers. The irony is that Hamas and Hezbollah are demanding the release of soldiers that Israel kidnapped

What soldiers? You're talking about terrorists. The deliberately target civilians, they wear no uniforms, represent no country, do not carry their weapons in plain view. According to the Geneva Conventions you seem so fond of, That makes them unlawfull combatants. I'm glad you think this is funny.

Yupster... clearly, there are some here who have difficulty grasping this simple concept. To be fair, however, an argument (and, yes, this remains a weak argument) could be made by some that Hamas, now that they are in power in Palestine, could be considered "soldiers".

Hezbollah, on the other hand, are nothing but cold blooded murdering thug terrorists who have no right to be mentioned in the same sentence as soldiers. This matters not to our friend, who has repeatedly demonstrated his contempt towards those who serve honorably.

Hamas are nothing but coldblooded murdering thugs. To be considered soldiers they mus, among other things, wear uniforms, carry their weapons in the open & refrain from targeting civilians. Blowing up pizza placed & ice cream parlors is not the work of soldiers. In any case, the Palestinian Authority is not a country. The agreement that set it up forbid the weapons & tactics they use.

yupchagee wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

yupchagee wrote:

dnpmakkah wrote:Israel is upset that Hamas and Hezbollah kidnapped their soldiers. The irony is that Hamas and Hezbollah are demanding the release of soldiers that Israel kidnapped

What soldiers? You're talking about terrorists. The deliberately target civilians, they wear no uniforms, represent no country, do not carry their weapons in plain view. According to the Geneva Conventions you seem so fond of, That makes them unlawfull combatants. I'm glad you think this is funny.

Yupster... clearly, there are some here who have difficulty grasping this simple concept. To be fair, however, an argument (and, yes, this remains a weak argument) could be made by some that Hamas, now that they are in power in Palestine, could be considered "soldiers".

Hezbollah, on the other hand, are nothing but cold blooded murdering thug terrorists who have no right to be mentioned in the same sentence as soldiers. This matters not to our friend, who has repeatedly demonstrated his contempt towards those who serve honorably.

Hamas are nothing but coldblooded murdering thugs. To be considered soldiers they mus, among other things, wear uniforms, carry their weapons in the open & refrain from targeting civilians. Blowing up pizza placed & ice cream parlors is not the work of soldiers. In any case, the Palestinian Authority is not a country. The agreement that set it up forbid the weapons & tactics they use.

Ouch, dude... stop. Did you see where I said "this remains a weak argument" Did you see anywhere that I said that I thought it was so?

Do you need a smiley?

Glad to hear that you're okay, RiC.

I'd suggest that those of you that have sought to 'moderate' this thread... when you're not a moderator... stop doing so immediately. You have absolutely no idea what has been communicated privately by the staff to any member of the community, so how do you even know if someone might have been previously warned for posting in an incorrect forum?

We don't need any board police thanks... we're quite happy with the job that the moderators do.

Enjoy the board... but leave it's adinistration to those asked to do so.

Thanks.

With the rocket launches into Jewish land by Hezbollah and the destruction of roads, bridges, buildings and airport landings by the Israeli miltia it looks like both sides are targeting civilian infustructure this time around.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13855530/

Israeli bulldozers overnight destroyed a large segment of the main central road and ripped down telephone and power lines.

Israeli warplanes also destroyed a bridge in central Gaza, wounding a civilian, Palestinian security sources said. It was the fourth bridge destroyed by Israel since the offensive in Gaza began two weeks ago.

After doing some research I now have a better understanding of what happened years ago that has led to this hate between the two sides. Granted Wikipedia is not the best of sources to go by but I'm sure most of the stuff can be verified by other outlets as well.

The UN General Assembly approved the 1947 UN Partition Plan dividing the territory into two states, with the Jewish area consisting of roughly 55% of the land, and the Arab area roughly 45%.

Immediately following the adoption of the Partition Plan by the UN General Assembly on November 29, 1947, David Ben-Gurion tentatively accepted the partition, while the Arab League rejected it. Attacks on civilians by both sides soon turned into widespread fighting between Arabs and Jews

Following the State of Israel's establishment, the armies of Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, and Iraq joined the fighting and began the second phase of the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. From the north, Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq, were all but stopped relatively close to the borders. Jordanian forces, invading from the east, captured East Jerusalem and laid siege on the city's west.

On July 7, 1981, the Israeli Air Force bombed the Iraqi nuclear reactor at Osiraq in an attempt to foil Iraqi efforts at producing an atom bomb.

In 1982, Israel launched an attack against Lebanon, which had been embroiled in the Lebanese Civil War since 1975. The official reason for the attack was to defend Israel's northernmost settlements from terrorist attacks, which had been occurring frequently. However, after establishing a forty-kilometer barrier zone, the IDF continued northward and even captured the capital, Beirut.

The IDF is one of the best funded military forces in the Middle East and ranks among the most battle-trained armed forces in the world, having been involved in five major wars and numerous border conflicts. In terms of personnel, the IDF's main resource is the training quality of its soldiers and expert institutions, rather than sheer numbers of soldiers. It also relies heavily on high-tech weapons systems, some developed and manufactured in Israel for its specific needs, and others imported (largely from the United States).

The International Atomic Energy Agency believes Israel to be a state possessing nuclear weapons. The government has never confirmed nor denied this assertion. Israel has not ratified the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC) and is not a signatory to the Biological and Toxin Weapons Convention (BWC).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel

I can see how the subltle difference between PROPERTY and INNOCENT CIVILIANS might elude you... yes, it's hard, I know, but please try to keep up.

After doing some research I now have a better understanding of what happened years ago that has led to this hate between the two sides. Granted Wikipedia is not the best of sources to go by but I'm sure most of the stuff can be verified by other outlets as well.

"research" and "Wikipedia" used in the same paragraph!!!!

Amazing! You can't make this stuff up!

"research" and "Wikipedia" used in the same paragraph!!!!

Amazing! You can't make this stuff up!

Well is there a part of this that is inncorrect. If so can you please point it out and also provide a link with the actual facts of the case. Thanks.