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• WR David Patten, Washington: The nine-year veteran signed a five-year, $13 million deal with the Redskins last spring that included a $3.5 million signing bonus. But Patten played in just nine games and posted only 22 receptions for 217 yards, with two touchdowns. The acquisitions of veterans Brandon Lloyd and Antwaan Randle El this spring means Patten is probably no better than a No. 4 or No. 5 receiver. And his 2006 base salary of $1.085 million is a little pricey for that role.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2462995

I know we had a thread around draft time that Patten was on the trading block...didn't see one on his impending release. Pastabelly predicts he's a goner.

i predict pastabelly is fat

gay4pacman wrote:i predict pastabelly is fat

HOLY COW ... how did you do that? I just saw him, he's a slob, the guy is a fat sack of flesh, that is pretty impressive

I doubt thats going to happen. The dude is fast! With the modifications to the offense this year, Patten will be a viable threat. Last year we didn't have a lot of credible threats to spread the field ... Now we do. He should do much better this year!

The official version in Post-June 1, Redskins Keep Options Open

This year, the Redskins are not expected to release any veteran players after June 1. Of course, that could change should another team release a veteran player that would be of interest to the Redskins' personnel staff.

It will not happen this week but they are keeping their options open after that. There is too much noise around in the media (and possibly leaks from Redskins Park) to doubt that "something" is not going on.

By the way, in the same article:

Remember 2000, when the Cowboys released Deion Sanders in a salary cap move on June 1 and the Redskins swooped in to quickly sign the veteran cornerback? Those types of off-season moves are becoming less frequent.

Yes, we remember

Fortunately, those types of moves are less frequent because we have more common sense and an owner with a loose wallet is under control by a great coach.

I think he will be released should there be a player of need released from another team. We need the cap space.

frankcal20 wrote:I think he will be released should there be a player of need released from another team. We need the cap space.

why do we need cap space?
what are the numbers looking like

and if we let him go dont we take a cap hit??

I hope this is another false rumor. Patten has big game experience and at the least, he brings versatility and depth to the WR corps. He's a viable threat when healthy.

It's probably true, given that Len has such a great relationship with the Redskins front office, he must be getting inside information.

rick301 wrote:I doubt thats going to happen. The dude is fast! With the modifications to the offense this year, Patten will be a viable threat. Last year we didn't have a lot of credible threats to spread the field ... Now we do. He should do much better this year!

Moss had a great yr without many other good options. Pattten should have been 1 of the other good options. I think he just had an off yr, but we are loaded at WR.We has signed (& is getting paid as) a #2 WR. He will be #4 this yr. Anything is possible.

yupchagee wrote:

rick301 wrote:I doubt thats going to happen. The dude is fast! With the modifications to the offense this year, Patten will be a viable threat. Last year we didn't have a lot of credible threats to spread the field ... Now we do. He should do much better this year!

Moss had a great yr without many other good options. Pattten should have been 1 of the other good options. I think he just had an off yr, but we are loaded at WR.We has signed (& is getting paid as) a #2 WR. He will be #4 this yr. Anything is possible.

Who says he will be the #4 WR! He might be the #2 or #3, it just depends on how he and the rest of the WR fit into the new O. Heck last year he should have had 4 or 5 TDs in the 9 games that he played. He beet his guy by 5 0r 10 yards and Brunell underthrew him by more than that on each! There is no disputing that the Skins O was much more dangerous when he was on the field!

DieselFan wrote:

• WR David Patten, Washington: The nine-year veteran signed a five-year, $13 million deal with the Redskins last spring that included a $3.5 million signing bonus. But Patten played in just nine games and posted only 22 receptions for 217 yards, with two touchdowns. The acquisitions of veterans Brandon Lloyd and Antwaan Randle El this spring means Patten is probably no better than a No. 4 or No. 5 receiver. And his 2006 base salary of $1.085 million is a little pricey for that role.

Does anyone else think a professional writter should know not to start a sentence with a preposition? Patten will be back. We don't need to create any moe cap space (we have filled all our major needs) and is was lack of depth at WR that killed us in the playoffs, so I doubt we would cut a guy like Patten when there is so little to gain.

Professional writer is not (nor has it been for quite some time) synonymous with good or even competent writer, especially in sports

Speaking as a professional writer, I can tell you that the prohibition against starting a sentence with a preposition is really old school. Flow and readability are much more important than blind adherence to arcane rules.

That said, the question about Patten for me is: What do they get from releasing him tomorrow? They don't need the cap space, not even to sign their draft picks. Why not bring him to camp as insurance against an injury and possibly trade him if some other team loses a receiver in camp. My understanding is the cap impact is the same whether we cut him now or at the end of camp.

TincoSkin wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:I think he will be released should there be a player of need released from another team. We need the cap space.

why do we need cap space?
what are the numbers looking like

$3.736m under the cap with a rookie pool of $2.241m.....

Patten's 06 cap hit is $1.852m if released we wouldn't have to pay his $1,085,000 salary in 06 but would have to count the prorated SB of $450K against this years cap and carry $1.350m in dead cap next year.

Patten will at worst be a #3 or #4 wideout matching up against nickle and dime backs that won't get any help due to our #1 & #2 WRs, the lainebackers will have to say at home to account for CP. Patten may have his best year ever if he is healthy and can hold on to the ball.

Patten would save the team a little over a million dollars.


Taylor Jacobs and Jimmy Farris combined would save a even million. What would you do?

well then thats an easy choice, good bye Ferris and Jacobs...


Good Point

Here is an article on yahoo sports. I truely hate everything this guy says:





A little over a year ago, when the Washington Redskins signed the ever-reliable David Patten to be a starting wideout, receivers coach Stan Hixon said the move was about production, not size. The 5-foot-10 Patten had ideal numbers, if not stature, but after just one season with the Redskins, he could be leaving town with neither.

Patten is a perfect emblem for this year's shallow crop of potential June 1 cuts – a group so undistinguished that teams searching the bargain bin may have a tough time finding a single starter. With Steve McNair's status still up in the air (and the likelihood he'll be traded rather than released), the class of summer castoffs will be robust only in its ability to provide depth.

That said, Patten qualifies as the best of the bunch despite a season that ended on injured reserve after catching just 22 balls for 217 yards. The offseason acquisitions of Brandon Lloyd and Antwaan Randle El have turned Patten into Washington's No. 4 wide receiver at best – a standing that won't justify his $1.085 million base salary in 2006, nor the remaining four years on his contract.

Patten turns 32 in August, but he'll make an attractive and cheap option for receiver-needy teams like the Kansas City Chiefs, Chicago Bears and San Francisco 49ers. And though he flamed out in Washington, that's more of an indication of a poor fit and an even poorer signing (he inked a five-year $13.5 million pact with a $3.5 million signing bonus).

Entering 2005, the Redskins were expecting something along the lines of Gary Clark – at best a playmaking No. 2, and at worst a productive 50-catch deep threat next to Santana Moss. But Patten never had the quickness to fit the Clark mold that coach Joe Gibbs envisioned.

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Patten thrives in wide-open offenses where he doesn't have to be a primary or secondary read – evidenced by his production with the New England Patriots when he was operating behind David Givens and Deion Branch. The next team that signs him will have to expect just that.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=c ... &type=lgns

Did Patten flame out last year or did he get hurt?

The talking heads don't look at the big picture....

Patten was injured last year so you don't have the full season to evaluate how he will fit in, at the same time you upgrade the postion and won't have to ask as much from him (coming off a injury).

His cap hit is higher than Randle-El or B Lloyd's but he is under contract working with the team and the team doesn't need the cap space.

Patten can now revert back to the roll he played in NE and that was more or less what he was brought in to do.

Next year his cap hit will be $3m plus but thats next year and there will more than likely be a June 1st then also.

These same writers that are saying we will dump Patten for cap purposes are the gurus who said there was no way we could sign any top FA this off-season (most said new CBA or not we were done). Let the right player get cut on or after June 1st and "the Danny" will go get him... if Joe wants that guy, at the same time Patten was/is a peice of a puzzle that JG is putting together, Joe won't force the peice to fit but he'll try it in more than 1 location before setting it aside.

skinsfan#33 wrote:

yupchagee wrote:

rick301 wrote:I doubt thats going to happen. The dude is fast! With the modifications to the offense this year, Patten will be a viable threat. Last year we didn't have a lot of credible threats to spread the field ... Now we do. He should do much better this year!

Moss had a great yr without many other good options. Pattten should have been 1 of the other good options. I think he just had an off yr, but we are loaded at WR.We has signed (& is getting paid as) a #2 WR. He will be #4 this yr. Anything is possible.

Who says he will be the #4 WR! He might be the #2 or #3, it just depends on how he and the rest of the WR fit into the new O. Heck last year he should have had 4 or 5 TDs in the 9 games that he played. He beet his guy by 5 0r 10 yards and Brunell underthrew him by more than that on each! There is no disputing that the Skins O was much more dangerous when he was on the field!

I see the WR depth chart as:
1) Moss
2) Lloyd
3) Randle El
4) Patten
5) Thrash

How do you see him as #2 or #3?

yupchagee wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:

yupchagee wrote:

rick301 wrote:I doubt thats going to happen. The dude is fast! With the modifications to the offense this year, Patten will be a viable threat. Last year we didn't have a lot of credible threats to spread the field ... Now we do. He should do much better this year!

Moss had a great yr without many other good options. Pattten should have been 1 of the other good options. I think he just had an off yr, but we are loaded at WR.We has signed (& is getting paid as) a #2 WR. He will be #4 this yr. Anything is possible.

Who says he will be the #4 WR! He might be the #2 or #3, it just depends on how he and the rest of the WR fit into the new O. Heck last year he should have had 4 or 5 TDs in the 9 games that he played. He beet his guy by 5 0r 10 yards and Brunell underthrew him by more than that on each! There is no disputing that the Skins O was much more dangerous when he was on the field!

I see the WR depth chart as:
1) Moss
2) Lloyd
3) Randle El
4) Patten
5) Thrash

How do you see him as #2 or #3?

I didn't asay that he would be, I said that he might be the #2 or #3. I'm not that impressed with Lloyde and I think that Randle-el would be better as a #3.

I think Lloyd is going to have a breakout yr. He's been the best (maybe only) target for a very bad team. As bad as the rest of the SF receivers have been, he probably saw lots of double teams. They won't be able to do that to him this yr.

I think it'd be silly to let Patten go just now. We need to wait and see how the corp pans out.

tcwest10 wrote:I think it'd be silly to let Patten go just now. We need to wait and see how the corp pans out.

It's seemed to me for some time that the Skins were giving up on Patton. What has suprised me is that they didn't try to get a pick for him? I don't think Gibbs would have put him on IR last season for so slight an injury if he thought Patton was capable of helping the team in the stretch. Patton could have been there for season's end and the playoffs.

I'm sorry, but I missed it! Where did Patten go? Did we just lose him or was he traded?

all those experts cannot be wrong, can they