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"Now that Gibbs has returned, the Redskins are knocking on the door of another Super Bowl title."

"Perhaps most importantly, Gibbs' Redskins defeated the Cowboys twice last season by a combined score of 49-20."

"The bottom line is, the NFL is nothing if not a business, and Snyder, the ultimate businessman, has brought a win-first, big-money mentality to Washington. It may not be politically correct among the average football fan, but it's starting to prove effective for the Redskins. After all, the most important thing in today's league is to put a solid, watchable product on the field for the fans, and Snyder's done just that. Who wouldn't want to go watch the likes of Clinton Portis and Randle El every week? If I were a Redskin fan I certainly would; now pass me the nachos and beer."

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Welcome to the site.

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"The bottom line is, the NFL is nothing if not a business, and Snyder, the ultimate businessman, has brought a win-first, big-money mentality to Washington.

It took "the Danny" a little bit of time but in the end he realized he could get just about any player he targets but someone to deal with those players was hard to find, then instead of buying a coach, he hired one.

It may not be politically correct among the average football fan, but it's starting to prove effective for the Redskins.

This as been PC for Redskins fans all along just wasn't effective as we would have liked it to be from day 1

After all, the most important thing in today's league is to put a solid, watchable product on the field for the fans, and Snyder's done just that.

We will watch the Skins regardless but watching them win is a lot more fun

Who wouldn't want to go watch the likes of Clinton Portis and Randle El every week?

... teh Gints, Illy & ttiT, just to name a few

If I were a Redskin fan I certainly would; now pass me the nachos and beer."

I am a Skins fan so get your own beer, help yourself to the nachos.

Connor Byrne says he isn't a Redskin fan but the quote below sure makes him sound like one

When Snyder took over the Redskins, the team was making about $10 million less than their archrival, the Dallas Cowboys . Now that Snyder has grabbed the reins, the Redskins have exceeded the Cowboys' revenues by a whopping $40 million. Cowboys owner Jerry Jones was supposed to be the most money-wise owner in the league, but Snyder has grossly upstaged him as a businessman.

GibbsLombardi wrote:"The bottom line is, the NFL is nothing if not a business, and Snyder, the ultimate businessman, has brought a win-first, big-money mentality to Washington."

Yup, and for the first few years, he was the most dismal, scorned and ridiculed owner in the league. He was the laughing stock of the entire NFL.

If it was not for Joe Gibbs, the Skins would -not- be "knocking on the door of another Super Bowl title", -not- have defeated the Pukes by a combined 49 - 20, and he would -still- be the the most dismal, scorned and ridiculed owner in the league. He would still be the laughing stock of the entire NFL.

His -only- achievemt in his entire ownership so far has been to bring Joe back and do as Joe tells him to. Good boy Danny, good boy...

Redskin in Canada wrote:

GibbsLombardi wrote:"The bottom line is, the NFL is nothing if not a business, and Snyder, the ultimate businessman, has brought a win-first, big-money mentality to Washington."

Yup, and for the first few years, he was the most dismal, scorned and ridiculed owner in the league. He was the laughing stock of the entire NFL.

If it was not for Joe Gibbs, the Skins would -not- be "knocking on the door of another Super Bowl title", -not- have defeated the Pukes by a combined 49 - 20, and he would -still- be the the most dismal, scorned and ridiculed owner in the league. He would still be the laughing stock of the entire NFL.

His -only- achievemt in his entire ownership so far has been to bring Joe back and do as Joe tells him to. Good boy Danny, good boy...

His -only- on-field achievement ... I know, I know, the wins and losses matter most, trust me I get that but the man did transform this organization into the most valuable sports franchise in the world. To say he achieved nothing aside from hiring Gibbs isn't quite fair.

Fios wrote: I know, I know, the wins and losses matter most, trust me I get that but the man did transform this organization into the most valuable sports franchise in the world. To say he achieved nothing aside from hiring Gibbs isn't quite fair.

No, it is not only about wins/losses. It is about the way the team played. It is about the loss of any respect even by the Redskins fans themselves.

I could care less about his -achievemts- outside of football. Good for him and his family if he knows how to make money. Even more important in my book is the ability of a person to contribute to the community but I am sure that to each its own.

The "most valuable" franchise title is the result of a combination of factors. Are the Redskins a good business? Geeez! YEAH! Were they a respected worthy team before Joe came back? Hell, no! That is my point. The Skins were the rich fat kid everyone loved to mock around. Thanks but no thanks. The fan base was about to explode in an anti-Snyder campaign when (no doubt by divine intervention ) He invited Joe, and Joe accepted (by divine intervention also ) to come back and accept a lost cause to workout a miracle (thus the two divine interventions ).

And yes, welcome jagerhog. I look forward to get the expended version of your post!

What I like about Snyder is his commitment to winning. He's a "Skins fan 1st & businessman 2nd.

Redskin in Canada wrote:

Fios wrote: I know, I know, the wins and losses matter most, trust me I get that but the man did transform this organization into the most valuable sports franchise in the world. To say he achieved nothing aside from hiring Gibbs isn't quite fair.

No, it is not only about wins/losses. It is about the way the team played. It is about the loss of any respect even by the Redskins fans themselves.

I could care less about his -achievemts- outside of football. Good for him and his family if he knows how to make money. Even more important in my book is the ability of a person to contribute to the community but I am sure that to each its own.

The "most valuable" franchise title is the result of a combination of factors. Are the Redskins a good business? Geeez! YEAH! Were they a respected worthy team before Joe came back? Hell, no! That is my point. The Skins were the rich fat kid everyone loved to mock around. Thanks but no thanks. The fan base was about to explode in an anti-Snyder campaign when (no doubt by divine intervention ) He invited Joe, and Joe accepted (by divine intervention also ) to come back and accept a lost cause to workout a miracle (thus the two divine interventions ).

And yes, welcome jagerhog. I look forward to get the expended version of your post!

Fair enough, I suppose I'm being overly literal in saying Gibbs isn't his ONLY accomplishment. Danny has def. made mistakes in his time but he cares and that I can respect.

Getting praise is great, but I give it the same amount of clout as all the negative press we recieve. As long as we produce on the field I will be happy. Opionated journalists views are a dime a dozen and I dont put much thouhght into the good or the bad.

Redskin in Canada wrote:

Fios wrote: I know, I know, the wins and losses matter most, trust me I get that but the man did transform this organization into the most valuable sports franchise in the world. To say he achieved nothing aside from hiring Gibbs isn't quite fair.

No, it is not only about wins/losses. It is about the way the team played. It is about the loss of any respect even by the Redskins fans themselves.

I could care less about his -achievemts- outside of football. Good for him and his family if he knows how to make money. Even more important in my book is the ability of a person to contribute to the community but I am sure that to each its own.

The "most valuable" franchise title is the result of a combination of factors. Are the Redskins a good business? Geeez! YEAH! Were they a respected worthy team before Joe came back? Hell, no! That is my point. The Skins were the rich fat kid everyone loved to mock around. Thanks but no thanks. The fan base was about to explode in an anti-Snyder campaign when (no doubt by divine intervention ) He invited Joe, and Joe accepted (by divine intervention also ) to come back and accept a lost cause to workout a miracle (thus the two divine interventions ).

And yes, welcome jagerhog. I look forward to get the expended version of your post!

Well his good business desicions off the field have allowed him to sign the most expensive coching staff ever. If we were not making great money he might hesitate before cutting the astronimical checks he cut for our assistant caoches alone.

Well said

JonC56 wrote:

Redskin in Canada wrote:

Fios wrote: I know, I know, the wins and losses matter most, trust me I get that but the man did transform this organization into the most valuable sports franchise in the world. To say he achieved nothing aside from hiring Gibbs isn't quite fair.

No, it is not only about wins/losses. It is about the way the team played. It is about the loss of any respect even by the Redskins fans themselves.

I could care less about his -achievemts- outside of football. Good for him and his family if he knows how to make money. Even more important in my book is the ability of a person to contribute to the community but I am sure that to each its own.

The "most valuable" franchise title is the result of a combination of factors. Are the Redskins a good business? Geeez! YEAH! Were they a respected worthy team before Joe came back? Hell, no! That is my point. The Skins were the rich fat kid everyone loved to mock around. Thanks but no thanks. The fan base was about to explode in an anti-Snyder campaign when (no doubt by divine intervention ) He invited Joe, and Joe accepted (by divine intervention also ) to come back and accept a lost cause to workout a miracle (thus the two divine interventions ).

And yes, welcome jagerhog. I look forward to get the expended version of your post!

Well his good business desicions off the field have allowed him to sign the most expensive coching staff ever. If we were not making great money he might hesitate before cutting the astronimical checks he cut for our assistant caoches alone.

And he had to make that coin pre Joe Gibbs in order to bring in everyone Joe wanted. I think he wanted Joe all along but Joe hadn't been paying attention to what was really going on at the time. "the Danny" brought S.O.S the best collage coach out there at the time and that didn't work but he finally got his guy. $$$$ wise he turned the team around a long time ago.

JonC56 wrote:[ If we were not making great money he might hesitate before cutting the astronimical checks he cut for our assistant caoches alone.

Are you telling me that the Skins are a financial burden? Does anybody want to bet that the team has a PROFIT in the MILLIONS after the coaches and players are paid?

OK, if the Skins are a financial burden, I will gladly take that burden any day now. The Redskins are the most profitable franchise in the league!

Redskin in Canada wrote:

JonC56 wrote:[ If we were not making great money he might hesitate before cutting the astronimical checks he cut for our assistant caoches alone.

Are you telling me that the Skins are a financial burden? Does anybody want to bet that the team has a PROFIT in the MILLIONS after the coaches and players are paid?

OK, if the Skins are a financial burden, I will gladly take that burden any day now. The Redskins are the most profitable franchise in the league!

His point is the same as mine...
If "the Danny" hadn't made the Redskins as profitable as they are he wouldn't be willing to pay the large salaries that he pays the coaches and players

I don't think profit is all that important to Snyder. Pro sports franchises are for the super rich what fantasy franchises to ordinary people. They are VERY expensive toys. Snyder made his fortune as an internet entrepeneur, this is his hobby.

yupchagee wrote:What I like about Snyder is his commitment to winning. He's a "Skins fan 1st & businessman 2nd.

That being said he acts just as any of us would if we were in his position and thats why I like him as an owner.

yupchagee wrote:I don't think profit is all that important to Snyder. Pro sports franchises are for the super rich what fantasy franchises to ordinary people. They are VERY expensive toys. Snyder made his fortune as an internet entrepeneur, this is his hobby.

well let's see, my season tickets went up 30 dollars a ticket. Parking passes went up 15 from 20 to 35. Snyder isnt that concerned with profit? gimme a break.

I didn't say he was oposed to makinf money, just that winning is MORE important to him.

yupchagee wrote:I don't think profit is all that important to Snyder.

Given a choice of winning or making money with the team, what do you think he'd do? Since teams share TV renenues equally, & the Skins sell out every game, where is the FINANCIAL incentive to win? For owners in general & Snyder in particular, teams are very expensive toys. Ticket prices are high because there are waiting lists. Owners can't really relate to non billionaire fans.

Your perception that snyder is a fan first and a business man second is warped to say the least. No one invests hundreds of millions of dollars into any business venture becuase it's a "toy" to them, as you put it.

Your excuse that snyder dosent understand the value of money to the average american is pretty nieve. You don't become a billionare without the concept of the worth of a dollar.

HE raised ticket prices for two reasons, first to support his spending, and second, because he can. He knows people like me who have had season ttickets in their family for 30 years are going to shell out the cash if they can feasibly afford it.


And last, if the redskins were in the red, danny boy would have been long gone a long time ago, my friend.

He raised prices for 1 reason- because he could. I didn't say he doesn't know the value of a $. I said he doesn't care about non billionaires. I think he could make more money by not spending millions for free agents & the leagues highest paid coaching staff because he could still sell every seat in the stadium & get the same TV revenues from the league. That's different from being willing to lose lots of money, although I don't think a little (to him) red ink would scare him off.

You must not have been a redskin fan the year before gibbs came back.