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The worst player on our current roster.........
Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 11:46 pm
by Californiaskin
Todd "fricken" Collins.......I just saw where the Dolphins picked up Joey Harrington for a 6 or 7 depending on how he plays.
Right now our QB situation has battle tested but old Mark Brunell who can play but is really one hit away from retirement. Jason Cambell who is talented but has never started an NFL game and Todd Collins who has not played a meaningful game or was out of football for the past 6 seasons.
Find me a weaker QB situation in the league right now.
Collins is deadweight, I can't believe we signed this guy cuz even though he knows the Saunders offense he can't play!
Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 12:13 am
by redskingush
Todd Collins is here because he knows this offence, he will be able to teach Jason Campbell thye ins and outs so when his day comes he will understand it. Brunell will need to fine tune this offence, a vet like him know aspects of all offences, he will just have to get familar with it. On paper looks like it might be trouble, but we are ok.
Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 12:16 am
by hatsOFF2gibbs
I agree with you about Collins. He's definetly not our future, he's just a mentor for our current QBs. I think we're all set fot the season, most of our holes are covered. I'm worried about CB and QB.
If Brunell stays healthy, we'll definitely succeed. He has all he needs, great RB, great TE, and handfuls of WRs. I agree with you, if Brunell is taken down, we're in trouble. Though Campbell has great talent, he is not ready for the NFL level yet. But you never know, he's smart, we'll see how much he's progressed in pre-season. Collins shouldn't have been signed as a QB but as a coach
CB is a problem, whatever you guys say. If one of the guys goes down, we don't have a sufficient number of CBs that can START. This problem can be contolled with Williams' coaching and #21 and #40 in the secondary, but I believe this is the weakness in our D.
Re: The worst player on our current roster.........
Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 1:29 am
by air_hog
Californiaskin wrote:Todd "fricken" Collins.......I just saw where the Dolphins picked up Joey Harrington for a 6 or 7 depending on how he plays.
Right now our QB situation has battle tested but old Mark Brunell who can play but is really one hit away from retirement. Jason Cambell who is talented but has never started an NFL game and Todd Collins who has not played a meaningful game or was out of football for the past 6 seasons.
Find me a weaker QB situation in the league right now.
Collins is deadweight, I can't believe we signed this guy cuz even though he knows the Saunders offense he can't play!
So you're saying you wish the Skins would have traded for
Joey Harrington
Let me tell you, if Joey Harrington had to end up playing for us, then we would lose every game he started.
Collins is not here to play, NO number 3 QB is on the roster [u]to play[/i] in the NFL, just as an insurance policy, or in our case, a teacher.
IMO, Todd Collins was one of our best pick ups of the offseason, if not thee best...
Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 5:22 am
by SkinsFanInHawai'i
As AH said, if your 3rd QB is playing, your season is about over.
As far as the worst player on the team,
I'll go with no one.
Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 5:52 am
by UK Skins Fan
Well, a quick look on Redskins.com suggests to me that Collins is by no means the worst player on the roster. For a start, he's been an NFL quarterback for 11 years. OK, he hasn't played a lot, and his QB rating is mediocre at best, but you don't get to even hold a clipboard for 11 years in the NFL unless you have something that coaches like. That something is presumably more than a nice smile and the ability to hold a clipboard.
Take a look at the roster - there's a whole bunch of names on there you've never heard of, and I'll guarantee that some of them must be worse than Collins. You think that Casey Bramlet is better than Collins?
Anyway, I'm just being pedantic. What you're really saying is that you don't like our QB situation? Yes, there is some worry about Brunell's body, and whether Campbell is the real deal. Collins really is there to help Campbell along, I think. I think that Brunell can have a great year this year, with the defence spread out all over the place and Portis running in space. If he gets hurt, then this might be the best situation that Campbell could hope for to enter the starting position. He's got a lot of help around him, and I'm hopeful he'll play well given the opportunity.
Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 6:49 am
by MEZZSKIN
So Californaskin wants a worst qb situations than ours ..Heres one that comes to mind.....Drew Bledsoe backed up by the imcomparable TONY ROMO.
Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 8:17 am
by PulpExposure
MEZZSKIN wrote:So Californaskin wants a worst qb situations than ours ..Heres one that comes to mind.....Drew Bledsoe backed up by the imcomparable TONY ROMO.
Kyle Boller backed up by Brian St. Pierre.
Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 8:46 am
by Justice Hog
Todd + Collins = Clip + Board
He's here more to teach than play, trust me.
Let's just hope that's all he has to do!
Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 9:06 am
by Fios
The dead guy
Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 10:43 am
by edgardiner
I love the Brit's, They can use words like "pedantic" In a sentence! Way to Go UK Skins Fan, keep up the good post.
Mr Ed
Re: The worst player on our current roster.........
Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 10:59 am
by leatherhead 377
Californiaskin wrote:Todd "fricken" Collins.......I just saw where the Dolphins picked up Joey Harrington for a 6 or 7 depending on how he plays.
Collins is deadweight, I can't believe we signed this guy cuz even though he knows the Saunders offense he can't play!
Trust me; Harrington is here with thr Fins only to start the season, if Culpepper isn't ready. All things around camp indicate that he is ahead of schedule and rehab is going well. No set date however; for jogging, concerned the Fins enough to trade for Harrington. This so-call trade, has been in the works for months and shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Harrington is from the same class that produced Ramsey and you see what we got for him. If Brunell hits the dirt, Gibbs will bring in a veteran QB before the games over. Here's a worst QB line-up: K.C Chiefs:
Damon Huard
James Kilian
Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 11:43 am
by Irn-Bru
Here's St. Louis' QB situation:
M. Bulger
G. Grerotte
R. Fitzpatrick
J. Smoker
Here's the Raiders QB situation:
A. Brooks
M. Tuiasosopo
A. Walter
K. Smith
The Browns:
C. Frye
K. Dorsey
D. Anderson
D. Almond
D. Hackney
(wow!)
The 49ers:
A. Smith
T. Dilfer
C. Pickett
B. Spinner
The Texans:
D. Carr
S. Rosenfels
D. Ragone
Q. Porter
(As someone else has pointed out) the Ravens:
K. Boller
B. St. Pierre
D. Olsen
The Vikings:
B. Johnson
M. McMahon
J. O'Sullivan
T. Jackson
And someone wants to say that the
the Redskins have the worst QB situation in the league?
(thanks to redskinsgush for the accurate data. . .)
Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 11:48 am
by Mursilis
FanfromAnnapolis wrote:
Here's the Raiders QB situation:
K. Collins
M. Tuiasosopo
A. Walter
Didn't the Raiders sign Aaron Brooks after he was released by the Saints? Not that he will be any big step up . . .
Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 11:51 am
by Irn-Bru
I got that information from the NFL.com depth charts--I noticed that some of them were a bit outdated (I think that Harrington was still with the Lions, for example).
Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 12:10 pm
by redskingush
FanfromAnnapolis wrote:Here's St. Louis' QB situation:
J. Martin
G. Frerotte
R. Fitzpatrick
J. Smoker
M. Bulger
G. Grerotte
R. Fitzpatrick
J. SmokerHere's the Raiders QB situation:
K. Collins
M. Tuiasosopo
A. Walter
A. Brooks
M. Tuiasosopo
A. Walter
K. SmithThe Browns:
C. Frye
T. Dilfer
D. Anderson
C. Frye
K. Dorsey
D. Anderson
D. Almond
D. HackneyThe 49ers:
A. D. Smith
K. Dorsey
C. Pickett
A. Smith
T. Dilfer
C. Pickett
B. SpinnerThe Texans:
D. Carr
S. Rosenfels
D. Ragone
D. Carr
S. Rosenfels
D. Ragone
Q. Porter(As someone else has pointed out) the Ravens:
K. Boller
B. St. Pierre
Don't Forget Drew Olsen
The Vikings:
B. Johnson
S. Hill
J. O'Sullivan
M. McMahon
B. Johnson
M. McMahon
J. O'Sullivan
T. JacksonAnd someone wants to say that the
the Redskins have the worst QB situation in the league?
Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 12:44 pm
by Irn-Bru
Thanks, redskinsgush--I'll edit my original post.
Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 1:03 pm
by yupchagee
The fact that our QB situation is less than ideal doesn't mean that Collins is the worst player on the team. These are 2 totally different issues. We have no way of knowing if Campbell is ready to start now, or for that matter ever will be as he hasn't taken a single snap in a real game & not that many in last yrs preseason. There are plenty of worse players on roster now. many of them won't be by opening day. Lets reserve judgement.
Re: The worst player on our current roster.........
Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 1:27 pm
by 1niksder
Californiaskin wrote:Todd "fricken" Collins.......I just saw where the Dolphins picked up Joey Harrington for a 6 or 7 depending on how he plays.
Right now our QB situation has battle tested but old Mark Brunell who can play but is really one hit away from retirement. Jason Cambell who is talented but has never started an NFL game and Todd Collins who has not played a meaningful game or was out of football for the past 6 seasons.
Find me a weaker QB situation in the league right now.
Collins is deadweight, I can't believe we signed this guy cuz even though he knows the Saunders offense he can't play!
There can't be a weaker QB situation based on what you're saying.
Mark is a aging veteran, coming off a year that he fell 2 games short of a Super Bowl start. Jason Campbell hasn't done anything and hasn't been asked to, on this level but he did do pretty good playing NCAA ball. He's got a year under his belt and is full of potential, but has yet to be needed.
I'd say having these two guys as the QBs on the roster makes the Redskins better than a lot of teams around the league. When you throw in all the great thrid string QBs that are floating around it makes the Skins situation look crazy - why have a 3rd string that will only play in case of emergencies know and understand the offense, why would he need that kind of knowledge. The 3rd stringers are getting more and more practice time with the starters, so knowledge of the system isn't something that should consider when evaluating the QB situation. Now Kerry Collins at number 3 we would have been set
Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 2:01 pm
by yupchagee
1niksder wrote: knowledge of the system isn't something that should consider when evaluating the QB situation.
I fail to see the logic of this statement. Do you think it would be better if we had to bring in a QB who DIDN'T know the system????
Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 5:23 pm
by welch
So Californaskin wants a worst qb situations than ours ..Heres one that comes to mind.....Drew Bledsoe backed up by the imcomparable TONY ROMO.
Wait! What happened to Drew Henson?
Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 5:41 pm
by 1niksder
yupchagee wrote:1niksder wrote: knowledge of the system isn't something that should consider when evaluating the QB situation.
I fail to see the logic of this statement. Do you think it would be better if we had to bring in a QB who DIDN'T know the system????
And do you think the rest of the post was logical?
Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 10:16 pm
by Californiaskin
If you can';t play, you can't play. Todd is just..well.... bad. Proved it in Buffalo andsat pine/ sat out over the past 6 years. So many other qbs were available when we signed Collins that have much more potential to help the team on field. IMO we would have been better off signing any number of QBs who could adapt to/learn the Al Saunders system in a few months and preform better than Todd Collins even though he has been in the system for years.
Spurrior used the same "knows the system" cra*p line of logic when he brought in former Gators like Danny Weurfell and Shane Mathews who were fricken terrible QBs just like Todd.
Because IMO he cannot contribute at his position I consider him deadweight and therefore the least valuable/worst player on our roster.
Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 10:34 pm
by Steve Spurrier III
Californiaskin wrote:Spurrior used the same "knows the system" cra*p line of logic when he brought in former Gators like Danny Weurfell and Shane Mathews who were fricken terrible QBs just like Todd.
Of course, the key difference is that Wuerffel and Matthews were brought in to compete for the starting job, while Collins is being brought in to hold a clipboard.
If the Redskins already had two quarterbacks capable of starting (like we all hope we have in Brunell and Campbell), than Wuerffel or Matthews both would have been excellen third string-quarterbacks.
I don't quite understand why you underestimate the value of understanding an NFL offense. I obviously don't know your football background, but I'd be suprised if you ever had to learn a playbook on any level. Given the unique situation (two quarterbacks learning the playbook for the first time), Collins knowledge of system is even more valuable than normal.
Here's to hoping we don't have to find out exactly how horrible Todd Collins really is.
Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 1:18 am
by Californiaskin
[[quote]quote="Steve Spurrier III"][quote="Californiaskin"]Spurrior used the same "knows the system" cra*p line of logic when he brought in former Gators like Danny Weurfell and Shane Mathews who were fricken terrible QBs just like Todd.[/quote]
Of course, the key difference is that Wuerffel and Matthews were brought in to compete for the starting job, while Collins is being brought in to hold a clipboard.
If the Redskins already had two quarterbacks capable of starting (like we all hope we have in Brunell and Campbell), than Wuerffel or Matthews both would have been excellen third string-quarterbacks.
I don't quite understand why you underestimate the value of understanding an NFL offense. I obviously don't know your football background, but I'd be suprised if you ever had to learn a playbook on any level. Given the unique situation (two quarterbacks learning the playbook for the first time), Collins knowledge of system is even more valuable than normal.
Here's to hoping we don't have to find out exactly how horrible Todd Collins really is.
#1 Its not like Saunders is going to come in and just insert the same playbook he had in KC with Todd. We are not suddenly going to stop seeing screens to moss and no H back.
The offense will be combined yet different enough that Todd will only have a slight advantage knowing the previous chief O.
#2 Many other quarterbacks who are more talented could have come in at the same time we signed Todd, learned the new combined system, and actually been a viable starter at some point.
#3 Shane Mathews and Danny Weurfell were both as you may recall listed third on the teams depth chart at one point or another during thier brief stints here,played poorly, and did not help the team go to the playoffs. In fact the best of that era was 3rd stringer Tim Hassleback.
#4 I heard Shane and Danny played lots of golf with steve-o over thier careers here.........I understand Todd likes golf as well!