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His evaluation of the Skins off season:

"Death, taxes, and a huge free-agent signing spree: These are your three givens in life. Call me crazy, but from all appearances the Redskins had a pretty successful thing going in the second half of last season, and I'm not sure why they felt the need to rip up 25 percent of their roster. Saunders adds another ex-head coach and another layer of management to the top-heavy staff, and Washington's new-look receiving corps has an undeniable redundancy factor."

There are two things in life not worth reading, in my opinion:

(a) Any post by elchalje, because the content is usually sub-par;

and

(b) Any opinions expressed by Don Banks.

Justice Hog wrote:There are two things in life not worth reading, in my opinion:

(a) Any post by elchalje, because the content is usually sub-par;

and

(b) Any opinions expressed by Don Banks.

After this post what else needs to be said?

/thread

One thing more to be said....Who or what is Don Banks??? Sarcastic remark!

"all appearances the Redskins had a pretty successful thing going in the second half of last season"

You know there wasn't a sports writer/commentator this side of Joe Thiesman who actually BELIEVED this statement last year even as the skins willed themselves into the second round of the playoffs.

I don't want any of these naysayers jumping on the bandwagon when we start out 5-0 this season and Brunell leads the league in passing.

If Sports Illustrated said so, it must be true. Seriously.

Well, I don't know, either, why the Redskins would "rip" out 25% of the team. Unless it was to improve themselves???? And why bring in another offensive coach just because Joe Gibbs might step away from coaching in a couple of years? Might he be thinking ahead? Is that allowed in SI-land?

Unfathomable!

Justice Hog wrote:There are two things in life not worth reading, in my opinion:

(a) Any post by elchalje, because the content is usually sub-par;

And he continues to offer more proof

Justice Hog wrote:and

(b) Any opinions expressed by Don Banks.

elcha really threw him under the post on this one, the post was to intended to stir us up. Unfortunately for the Gint fan we know the source, and we can ADD.

25% of the roster would be roughly 13 players from last years team were ripped out.

Let's look at that 25%...

LB LaVar Arrington... Gave up money to leave he wasn't ripped so he's not part of that 25%

S Matt Bowen...CB Walt Harris...S Omar Stoutmire...did their jobs, wouldn't have mind them coming in and earning roster spots. I'm still 10 short.

S Ryan Clark... was offered a fair deal and chose to go elsewhere but I'll throw him and TE Robert Royal into thosed that were ripped from the roster putting me at about 9.6% and counting.

OG Ray Brown...DT Brandon Noble both retired, wouldn't be able to include them

C Cory Raymer... he'll be missed in the locker room for his leadership so I'll give mister Banks this one, might as well thow in P Tom Tupa although most have forgotten he was a Redskin last year. QB Patrick Ramsey was traded to a better situation, so in reality Banks did what most print media does - he looked at some numbers, couldn't find a story so he made one up. Thinking no one would doubt it because it was the Skins. Two weeks from now the talking heads on the four letter network will be preaching the same think.

The facts are we lost 11 players(total) this off-season and most wouldn't fall under the category of being ripped from the roster. About 12.5% at the most ... maybe it was a typo

elchalje wrote:His evaluation of the Skins off season:

"Death, taxes, and a huge free-agent signing spree: These are your three givens in life. Call me crazy, but from all appearances the Redskins had a pretty successful thing going in the second half of last season, and I'm not sure why they felt the need to rip up 25 percent of their roster. Saunders adds another ex-head coach and another layer of management to the top-heavy staff, and Washington's new-look receiving corps has an undeniable redundancy factor."

Giants Fan...troll. Beware.

elchalje wrote:His evaluation of the Skins off season:

"Death, taxes, and a huge free-agent signing spree: These are your three givens in life. Call me crazy, but from all appearances the Redskins had a pretty successful thing going in the second half of last season, and I'm not sure why they felt the need to rip up 25 percent of their roster. Saunders adds another ex-head coach and another layer of management to the top-heavy staff, and Washington's new-look receiving corps has an undeniable redundancy factor."

My evaluation of YOUR GINTS!!!

Manning can't hold his brother's jock strap

You over paid for Lavar

You won't win the division

Your secondary looks like a JV girls volleyball squad

You won't make the playoffs

etc....

Speaking of Lavar, How much might LA knowing Gregg Williams' defenses be a factor this year?

I'm going to guess "not much". They've already got Antonio Pierce who is smarter and also played under the Williams defense.

Gibbs4Life wrote:Speaking of Lavar, How much might LA knowing Gregg Williams' defenses be a factor this year?

GW has already altered the defensive packages that he will be using. When Gray was brought in in the offseason he came in with some Corner packages that says he wanted to use but hadn't had time to implament them (Gray played for Williams and has been using these schemes elsewhere). Williams will also be adding new Safety packages due to the upgrade he expects there, and the same goes for adding new Linebacker packages.

I'm not sure Lavar knew all of the packages last year, but I'm sure he won't be able to tell them much, Other than the attack the offense - and they already know that

I saw that article once.

It might have been on http://www.stupidityawards.com, but I am not sure.

G4L wrote

Speaking of Lavar, How much might LA knowing Gregg Williams' defenses be a factor this year?

The Giants already know all the Redskin offense and defense, just as the Redskins know the Giants. Every team studies the films of all the other teams.

There are no secret schemes.

The problem for the Giants is how to beat the Williams defense, on the field. And the Gibbs/Saunders offense.

(And I don't even need to point out that Arrington never seemed to want to learn what he rest of the defense was playing. That's been done well enough already)

Gibbs4Life wrote:Speaking of Lavar, How much might LA knowing Gregg Williams' defenses be a factor this year?

Antonio Pierce was the QB of our defense before leaving for the Giants...there is not much that Lavar can do that Pierce didn't already do...

Our offense goes against their defense, so it's more their knowledge of our offense that is crucial, I doubt Coughlin gives a rats behind what Lavar Arrington has to say about Al Saunder's offense.

I'm assuming the redundancy factor on the offense is the average height at receiver. I won't argue that...only this time, we have more than one.
That's a plus.
I have a real problem with the whole "top-heavy" management charge, though. Where does DB get off saying that ? It's about time somebody assembled an all-pro staff to handle an all-pro roster. First time for everything, right ? Finally, there's more than one coach making HC type money.
I'm starting to see why people chafe when Elchalje posts. This was meant to start an argument.

tcwest10 wrote:I'm assuming the redundancy factor on the offense is the average height at receiver. I won't argue that...only this time, we have more than one.
That's a plus.
I have a real problem with the whole "top-heavy" management charge, though. Where does DB get off saying that ? It's about time somebody assembled an all-pro staff to handle an all-pro roster. First time for everything, right ? Finally, there's more than one coach making HC type money.
I'm starting to see why people chafe when Elchalje posts. This was meant to start an argument.

Plus you have to appreciate the fact that the Redskins are actually being criticized within the context of winning. I laughed out loud when I read that assessment, I'm willing to bet a large sum of money Banks didn't pick the Skins to make the post-season last year. I'm somewhat loathe to quote Jimmy Johnson but he said last year that there is so much on-the-field parity in today's NFL that "coaching makes the difference."

How did we rip 25% of our roster we lost Clark,Royal and Arrington.

tcwest10 wrote:I'm assuming the redundancy factor on the offense is the average height at receiver. I won't argue that...only this time, we have more than one.
That's a plus.

Last year having only one made it a deficiency, correct that and it becomes redundant....

tcwest10 wrote:I have a real problem with the whole "top-heavy" management charge, though. Where does DB get off saying that ? It's about time somebody assembled an all-pro staff to handle an all-pro roster. First time for everything, right ? Finally, there's more than one coach making HC type money.

The problem is the Skins are the only one that is doing it. This makes the FO a target because they don't understand how its done. GW says he loves it because they all are on the same page, they've all been connected in the past somewhere and when they go into gameplan meetings he doesn't have to sell the plan because of the cohesiveness. That's why they stay and why others come.

tcwest10 wrote:I'm starting to see why people chafe when Elchalje posts. This was meant to start an argument.

He wasn't labled a troll because he is a Gints fan. All of his post are summited for negative reactions. We've come to the point now that we just ignore the poster and discuss the topic amongst ourselves if the topic warrants. Elch must have been having a bad day when this was posted, it wasn't as sutle as most of garbage that I read from him/her/it.

Too bad the staff at SI share one brain.
Somebody ought to tell 'em it's okay to differ.
Maybe it isn't, though. Maybe it's smarter to just go with the flow and not tick off the senior guys.
Oh, well. I cancelled that rag years ago, anyway.
I don't pay it no never mind.

tcwest10 wrote:Too bad the staff at SI share one brain.
Somebody ought to tell 'em it's okay to differ.
Maybe it isn't, though. Maybe it's smarter to just go with the flow and not tick off the senior guys.
Oh, well. I cancelled that rag years ago, anyway.
I don't pay it no never mind.

I think you and I have undergone the same kind of metamorphosis (no, TC has not become a cup) in that when I started chatting here, I would let this kind of thing make me mad. Now? I just laugh because I know better. Yet another reason this site rocks.

When you think about SI, remember all of the rhetoric spewed by Dr Y (am I an idiot) and Peter Queen, and then remember that they went to the post and recruited the writer most hated by the Redskins organization. They will never admit that a redskin move is the right one. Remember that Jason Campbell was listed as the best player in the draft and in the same sentence the Redskins were castised for trading picks for him.



I don't even click links to read their garbage. I don't usually open threads that contain their stories (I forgot Don Banks wrote for them). I don't acknowledge their existence, unless I'm posting in one of these threads.

The only purpose the magazine serves for me is the old Redskin covers. The last good one was when Marty started winning some games.
Other than that...I have no use for the rag.