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I know this is going to be a hot button topic with some people... wanting brunell to start and very few wanting Campbell . But i feel for the future for this team ..... meaning 2007 we need to give Campbell a shot at starting.

I for one think there is no way in heaven or hell Mark brunell can survive 16 games and maybe the playoffs .

This year in 2006 .... Lavar is now a Giant....Cowboys defense is still nasty.... we have the Colts and Falcons and Tampa Bay bucs again this year .... thats Frenney , Jon Abraham, and semion Rice .dont forget straham and uni with the Giants and ware with the Cowboys ...and kearse with the Ealges .....

My point is with Mark Brunell 36 year old legs that have taken alot of damage in the pass years .....I really cant see him starting 16 games..Whats going on with the Redskins in 06.... Reminds me of the Giants in 04 ....hey had Kurt Warner as their starter and Eli Manning their qb of the future....long story short Manning got the start even when the Giants where 5-3 and stil had a good shot for the playoffs .Eli got better in 2005 lead the Giants to the playoffs and 11-5 record....I feel Jason Campbell should get the same deal....The guy is 6'5 230 big body qb with 4.5 speed . accurate arm strong arm . smart .... he is just to talented to leave on the bench ....I am sorry this is like having a porcshe in th e garage and you still driving your 88' ford escort .....

I was even watching ESPN one day ...And They said Gibbs is going to try and get Jason Campbell ready to fight for the starting job in 06 ...starting job ....i was so glad to hear this news ....Just like i said before Brunell when he starts this season its like he's tank is half empty.. He is so wore down and old that i dont feel he has 16 games in him.. People get worse with age in the NFL not better ...Teams know Mark Brunell cant throw the ball deep and test the defense like a young qb can ... If you really want to go there ... half of Santana Moss's 1500 yards catches where from one yard screen passes where Moss did 95% of the work....People Wether we like it or not the facts are the fact ,.....Brunell is aging he cant get the job done ....people that think Brunell can make this teams offense into the Rams offense in 1999 and 2000 ...thats a pipe dream ...its not going to happen we need a qb with a arm . In closing all i would like to say is that yes brunell has very good leadership quilities and is a great guy off the field ..But to me he is just a stop gap untill Campbell steps in Which should be this year . and i feel its not a matter of if Campbell starts this seasonits when .i am just saying making it sooner not later. i am sick of one yard screen passes thank you.


I have some names of NFL quarters that starter in their rookie seasons or 2nd season and they did fine.

Troy Alkman,Dan Marino, Carson Palmer,Jake Plummer,ELi Manning, Peyton Manning, Tom brady,Big Ben,Brian LeftWhich, .......I can go on and on ... In this new NFl to win games you need moblie not vick type moblie but QBs that can atleast get away from the first rush and make plays ou t the pocket with their arms still. ! remember watching old flim of Joe Thiesman he used to roll out and look down the filed all the time, Brunell cant do that Campbell can. I just feel campbell has to much talent to be on the becnh, and i know i am not Joe Gibbs ...not Gibbs you have a great one in Jason thats all i have to say .


if any one had comment would love to hear them thanks .

Brunell has one of his best seasons ever last year, both in terms of yardage and touchdown to interception ratio, and that was without a second receiver for most of the season.

He played in all 18 games last year. What more do you want?

Any quarterback can get injured regardless of age. Donovan McNabb, Dante Culpepper, Carson Palmer are all much younger, and all were injured last year.

Quarterbacks don't win Super Bowls in their first year. The Redskins are loaded this year and we should make a run. There's no point giving up this season to groom essentially a rookie.

WHat the heck are you talking about , Having Brunell as the Redskins starting qb is like driving a car with 2 bad wheels.

Half of Santana Moss's yards he got from one yard wr screens

wow Brunell had his best year no no Santana Moss had a break out year and took Brunell on for the ride . ok what happened when we got to the playoffs

25 yards read it 25 yards passing vs the tampa bay bucs.

in the game vs the seahawks in the first 3 quarters we didnt have a passing play more than 10 yards ok.

this is how teams defense the Redskins with Brunell as the QB, Double Moss, put yur strong saftey on cooley and put 8 in the box to shut down Portis . Every body and their mama knows Brunell cant test the defense deep ...with his bad knees he cant gain the power to get the ball deep. If the Redskins want to win the superbowl and have a top 3 offense like the Rams in 1999 ,or like with the Bengals with carson Palmer we should start Campbell he can get it done . Heck even Greg Williams in one of Campbells first practies said Campbell had the best deep ball he has since from any Redskins qb since Greg WIlliams has being here, ... the Redskins defense keeps talking Campbell up. WE have a great defense and if they like what they see him Campbell .. Then what are we waiting for ....


AND IN THE TAMPA BAY PLAYOFFS GAME SIR
if not for Sean Taylors fubmle retutn for a TD and Lavar Arrington int to the 8 yard line,, Redskins woul dhave lost that game for sure.

Brunel is old he will break down i understart any qb can get hurt ,but Brunell is not a 16 game qb no way no how ...

the future is now put in the young guy Jason Campbell. thats what i say

And Coah Gibbs said it him self ,his main goal this off season is to get Jason campbell to fight for thr starting job, i heard on ESPN straight from the horses mouth buddie .

I would think that Joesph Gibbs knows which quarterback will best help the team?
"In Gibbs we Trust"

I for one think there is no way in heaven or hell Mark brunell can survive 16 games and maybe the playoffs .

Okay, well Jason Campbell will play when this happens. If you understand that Campbell is the number 2, and admit that Brunell will get hurt. Then logically you anticipate Campbell will play next year. That said, why are you so anxious? If campbell does get in there he will be more knowledgable later in the season than he is right now.

Keep in mind, this is his 6th offensive system to learn in 6 years.

I understand where everyone is coming from. I too am a HUGE JC fan and agree that I would like to see him start this year and get the process of him being our QB of the future on the way. I also understand Brunell had a good year last year. I dont know where this talk that Brunell cant play the whole schedule or throw a deep ball came from. I saw a pretty good amount of deep balls that were well thrown last year. This post is not to say anyone is wrong or anything but I like it was said before, " IN GIBBS I TRUST " He has more football knowledge in his pinkee than any of us combined. He will do what feels is best for the team whether thats JC or MB and he will be right.....like always!


Brew

The Hogster wrote:

I for one think there is no way in heaven or hell Mark brunell can survive 16 games and maybe the playoffs .

Okay, well Jason Campbell will play when this happens. If you understand that Campbell is the number 2, and admit that Brunell will get hurt. Then logically you anticipate Campbell will play next year. That said, why are you so anxious? If campbell does get in there he will be more knowledgable later in the season than he is right now.

Keep in mind, this is his 6th offensive system to learn in 6 years.

Ok and He had 6 offenses in 6 years add, he had a great season as a senoir at Auburn shows you he is a quick study.... my point is ...I know Campbell is going to play ...like i said earlier there in no way brunell survives 16 NFL games. the thing is why not put Campbell in from the jump start let him get his feet wet . Look at ELi manning and Carson Palmer they all had hard times in the begining ...but got better . Put Campbell in from the jump start so he can get chemistry with the new wr's Moss,Lloyd, Randle EL, COOley ETC.... I get so excited just thinking of Campbell starting .. I really dont know what the wait is. He has the arm the smarts and the accuratence to run this offense beautifully . .....

skins2357 wrote:I understand where everyone is coming from. I too am a HUGE JC fan and agree that I would like to see him start this year and get the process of him being our QB of the future on the way. I also understand Brunell had a good year last year. I dont know where this talk that Brunell cant play the whole schedule or throw a deep ball came from. I saw a pretty good amount of deep balls that were well thrown last year. This post is not to say anyone is wrong or anything but I like it was said before, " IN GIBBS I TRUST " He has more football knowledge in his pinkee than any of us combined. He will do what feels is best for the team whether thats JC or MB and he will be right.....like always!




Brew

I agree In Gibbs WE trust . what ever Gibbs wants Its fine with me . i just hope Gibbs agrees with me .

blackirishman2006 wrote:I know this is going to be a hot button topic with some people... wanting brunell to start and very few wanting Campbell . But i feel for the future for this team ..... meaning 2007 we need to give Campbell a shot at starting.

I think that at this stage we will see Brunell given the opportunity to show that he is still our starting QB. I would be very surprised if Cambell were not given every opportunity to show that if anything happened to Brunell then he would be ready to be our starter. I do not think there are any concerns with most of us about this and most importantly that is why we let a very good QB go - because we have Cambell and that is a pretty clear indication of how Gibbs thinks he is doing.

..I for one think there is no way in heaven or hell Mark brunell can survive 16 games and maybe the playoffs.

You might be right but really you should try and think positively and realize why we have Gibbs worrying about this for you. This possibility is why we brought Collins in - Cambell is the back-up and Collins will accelerate his progress = no worries!

..This year in 2006 .... Lavar is now a Giant....Cowboys defense is still nasty.... we have the Colts and Falcons and Tampa Bay bucs again this year .... thats Frenney , Jon Abraham, and semion Rice .dont forget straham and uni with the Giants and ware with the Cowboys ...and kearse with the Ealges .....

Great players do not necessarily mean better teams - we know this better than most! On paper we should win 14 or 15 games but as we saw last year a lot of teams are beating better teams all the time! We are better than last year but we still get to play the game. Enjoy the progress. We will win the NFC East.

..My point is with Mark Brunell 36 year old legs that have taken alot of damage in the pass years .....I really cant see him starting 16 games..Whats going on with the Redskins in 06.... Reminds me of the Giants in 04 ....hey had Kurt Warner as their starter and Eli Manning their qb of the future....long story short Manning got the start even when the Giants where 5-3 and stil had a good shot for the playoffs .Eli got better in 2005 lead the Giants to the playoffs and 11-5 record....I feel Jason Campbell should get the same deal....The guy is 6'5 230 big body qb with 4.5 speed . accurate arm strong arm . smart .... he is just to talented to leave on the bench ....I am sorry this is like having a porcshe in th e garage and you still driving your 88' ford escort .....

I would suggest that most other teams cannot be compared to ours. We have better people making football decisions here and much better coaches than any other team. We do not make the mistakes they do and hopefully we will see the players on the field that these coaches think give us the best chance to win - not because some idiot on another team tried and succeeded!- our decisions are made to put the players on the field that gives us the best chance to win and who have proven that they fit the team concept that both Gibbs and Williams want.

..I was even watching ESPN one day ...And They said Gibbs is going to try and get Jason Campbell ready to fight for the starting job in 06 ...starting job ....i was so glad to hear this news ....Just like i said before Brunell when he starts this season its like he's tank is half empty.. He is so wore down and old that i dont feel he has 16 games in him.. People get worse with age in the NFL not better ...Teams know Mark Brunell cant throw the ball deep and test the defense like a young qb can ... If you really want to go there ... half of Santana Moss's 1500 yards catches where from one yard screen passes where Moss did 95% of the work....People Wether we like it or not the facts are the fact ,.....Brunell is aging he cant get the job done ....people that think Brunell can make this teams offense into the Rams offense in 1999 and 2000 ...thats a pipe dream ...its not going to happen we need a qb with a arm . In closing all i would like to say is that yes brunell has very good leadership quilities and is a great guy off the field ..But to me he is just a stop gap untill Campbell steps in Which should be this year . and i feel its not a matter of if Campbell starts this seasonits when .i am just saying making it sooner not later. i am sick of one yard screen passes thank you.

Fortunnately, while you may be right, this team is now run by Gibbs and until he shows he cannot handle it he will make the decisions on what works and what does not.
We have seen how much the media knows about the NFL and we are glad that they have nothing to do with our team. There is not one media person, in the past few years, that has indicated they would be successful in running a team or coaching a team - not one! They are paid to say ridiculous things and everyone should understand that. These are entertainers - just like the clowns in a circus!

..I have some names of NFL quarters that starter in their rookie seasons or 2nd season and they did fine.

Troy Alkman,Dan Marino, Carson Palmer,Jake Plummer,ELi Manning, Peyton Manning, Tom brady,Big Ben,Brian LeftWhich, .......I can go on and on ... In this new NFl to win games you need moblie not vick type moblie but QBs that can atleast get away from the first rush and make plays ou t the pocket with their arms still. ! remember watching old flim of Joe Thiesman he used to roll out and look down the filed all the time, Brunell cant do that Campbell can. I just feel campbell has to much talent to be on the becnh, and i know i am not Joe Gibbs ...not Gibbs you have a great one in Jason thats all i have to say .

Brunell is still a much better leader on the field and there are a lot of intangibles to the position. Look at Manning in NY - great QB? Not when it counts! C-H-U-M-P

We will see Campbell as our QB as soon as Gibbs and Saunders decides it is time or if Brunell: 1) shows he cannot do it as well as Campbell Or 2) gets injured.

We are fine at QB for now, otherwise we would have kept Ramsey!


Welcome to the site and enjoy our success this year with us. Everything you need about our team is here.

I imagine we will see Brunell handled in the same fashion the Yankees handle Randy Johnson, if the Skins find themselves in games with big leads, Gibbs will be quick to pull Brunell so as not to risk injury, that should mitigate a late season breakdown to some extent

Ok heres my issue with Campbell. Everyone I talk to said he only did good his senior year because of his support cast.

Now my point is if he had 2 good running backs and some decent receivers in his senior year now he has a near all star receiving corp and a backfield that even when you remove CP is still pretty darn good.

What I believe Gibbs saw in Campbell was that even though he was given a lot he still made good decisions and kept the team in position to win. That IMHO is a Gibbs QB, which is why brunell is his guy right now, as long as brunells legs are healthy his decisions are pretty solid. I am hard pressed to find a gibbs era QB who you could honestly count on to go out and flat out win games. But all of them kept it under control.

Gibbs knows what he's doing and whenver he gets Campbell in there will be the right time for him to play, and not a moment sooner!

blackirishman2006 wrote:WHat the heck are you talking about , Having Brunell as the Redskins starting qb is like driving a car with 2 bad wheels.

. . .that can get you to the playoffs. . .

Half of Santana Moss's yards he got from one yard wr screens

Okay. . .the fact that you have to exaggerate (unless you had a stat waiting behind this one) is indicative of how powerful your argument is in the first place.

wow Brunell had his best year

No one can back this statement up, but what we can back up is saying that he effectively resurrected his career and had a phenomenal season.

no no Santana Moss had a break out year and took Brunell on for the ride .

You can always shift blame or credit to someone else. Your argument doesn't hold.

ok what happened when we got to the playoffs

25 yards read it 25 yards passing vs the tampa bay bucs.

in the game vs the seahawks in the first 3 quarters we didnt have a passing play more than 10 yards ok.

Yeah, Moss was pretty terrib. . . .oh, I'm sorry. These were bad stats, so it's obviously talking about Brunell.

this is how teams defense the Redskins with Brunell as the QB, Double Moss, put yur strong saftey on cooley and put 8 in the box to shut down Portis . Every body and their mama knows Brunell cant test the defense deep ...with his bad knees he cant gain the power to get the ball deep.

Which is why he threw about 35 passes for +20 yards and about 10 passes for +40 yards. I don't see the truth of your claim. I watched Brunell bomb it on multiple occasions last year.


The problem in the playoffs is that we had one effective receiver. OF COURSE teams are going to cover him--and make sure he can't go deep. But how is this entirely Brunell's fault?

Brunel is old he will break down i understart any qb can get hurt ,but Brunell is not a 16 game qb no way no how ...

. . .except for last season. . . .

the future is now put in the young guy Jason Campbell. thats what i say

Everyone is saying that Campbell is our future. That isn't the issue at all. . .the question is how long Brunell is going to last us until we switch to Campbell.

And Coah Gibbs said it him self ,his main goal this off season is to get Jason campbell to fight for thr starting job, i heard on ESPN straight from the horses mouth buddie .

So maybe that's what we'll see. And I'll have no complaints if that's what Gibbs thinks is best. In the mean time, I see no reason for all the Brunell hating that's going on.

If Burnell is not 100% he's not effective as witinessed in the playoffs last season, but I think he played well prior to getting hurt. I hope JC is as good as everyone on here seems to think he is and preseason should give some insight to that. I would not use his senior season at Auburn as an indicator to how good he will be as he possibably had the two best RB's in the draft in the backfield with him and that had to make life just a little easier. I think Burnell offers our best chance to get into the postseason as rushing young QB's to start fails far more than it succeeds. The prior list of young (starting) QB's is the exception not the rule.

Hey, noob.

I've read it... and read it again... and once more.

I still don't know what your point is.


Campbell is going to get every opportuntity to prove he is the starter... just remember... in Gibbs' mind, all ties go to the veteran. That's got to be good enough.

Gotta be patient. I think that Gibbs may well believe that Jason Campbell has the greatest upside of any quarterback he has worked with since Dan Fouts. He will get his shot.

Riggins85 wrote:If Burnell is not 100% he's not effective as witinessed in the playoffs last season, but I think he played well prior to getting hurt. I hope JC is as good as everyone on here seems to think he is and preseason should give some insight to that. I would not use his senior season at Auburn as an indicator to how good he will be as he possibably had the two best RB's in the draft in the backfield with him and that had to make life just a little easier. I think Burnell offers our best chance to get into the postseason as rushing young QB's to start fails far more than it succeeds. The prior list of young (starting) QB's is the exception not the rule.

COME ON matt leinart has reggie bush , ledel white, Winston great left tackle, first round pick every where on offense, DOES THAT MEAN lEINART IS overrated tooo???????

Countertrey wrote:Hey, noob.

I've read it... and read it again... and once more.

I still don't know what your point is.


Campbell is going to get every opportuntity to prove he is the starter... just remember... in Gibbs' mind, all ties go to the veteran. That's got to be good enough.

Gotta be patient. I think that Gibbs may well believe that Jason Campbell has the greatest upside of any quarterback he has worked with since Dan Fouts. He will get his shot.

I hear what your saying . MY point for the 5th time is that , if campbell is the guy start him now, we traded like 5 picks and a first in 2006 if he is the guy start him. Let him get his feet wet then in 2007 we a better qb that can lead us to the Superbowl i think campbell by then with playing time vs life nfl defenses wil be ready.

sitting on the bench is not helping .

Brunell is old ,slow, gets hurt every time,and i dont belive brunell will start all 16 games .

i also feel Brunell missed wide open passes to Santana Moss alot last year, Moss should have had more catches and more yards and TDs.

i just feel Brunell is not on par with the Carson Palmers, peyton mannings, etc brunell will not lead this team any where he is just TOO OLD , HOW MANY TIMES CAN I SAY IT BRUNELL IS TOO OLD, ONE MORE TIME, BRUNELL IS TOOO OLD .

HE IS NOT LASTING 16 GAMES AND PLAYOFFS

And, MY point for the second time, is, if you trust Gibbs as much as you say you do, you will just sit back, chill out and enjoy the ride with whichever man is the quarterback.

And, I know what you SAY your point is... but I think that your real point is that you just want to argue. Knock yourself out.

FanfromAnnapolis wrote:

blackirishman2006 wrote:WHat the heck are you talking about , Having Brunell as the Redskins starting qb is like driving a car with 2 bad wheels.

. . .that can get you to the playoffs. . .

oK we got to the playoffs and Brunell had 25 yards passing vs the bucs ,and the only REASON we beat the bucs is because of Sean Taylors Fumble Return for TD, and Lavar Arringtons Int to the 8 yards line dont for that that 14 points, Brunell =3 points soory thats not a playoff type qb to me.

Half of Santana Moss's yards he got from one yard wr screens

Okay. . .the fact that you have to exaggerate (unless you had a stat waiting behind this one) is indicative of how powerful your argument is in the first place.

dude did you watch the Redskins game last year??? in every dgame the Redskins ran the wr bubble Screen to Moss like 3 times a game so dont go there dude,. i am teling the 100% truth

wow Brunell had his best year

No one can back this statement up, but what we can back up is saying that he effectively resurrected his career and had a phenomenal season.


i can unback it up , he didnt, Moss had a great year ,Brunell could have had a better year if his arm and kness where not shot .

no no Santana Moss had a break out year and took Brunell on for the ride .

You can always shift blame or credit to someone else. Your argument doesn't hold.

Take Santana Moss of this team in 2005 , and we are a 5 win teams. he was like money on 3rd downs and about 50% of this offense

ok what happened when we got to the playoffs

25 yards read it 25 yards passing vs the tampa bay bucs.

in the game vs the seahawks in the first 3 quarters we didnt have a passing play more than 10 yards ok.

Yeah, Moss was pretty terrib. . . .oh, I'm sorry. These were bad stats, so it's obviously talking about Brunell.


Moss can not throw the ball to him self !!!!!!!!!!!thats should be the qb's job right ???????right

this is how teams defense the Redskins with Brunell as the QB, Double Moss, put yur strong saftey on cooley and put 8 in the box to shut down Portis . Every body and their mama knows Brunell cant test the defense deep ...with his bad knees he cant gain the power to get the ball deep.

Which is why he threw about 35 passes for +20 yards and about 10 passes for +40 yards. I don't see the truth of your claim. I watched Brunell bomb it on multiple occasions last year.


how many times did brunell bomb it up in the playoffs ???/ zero i thought so tooo.

The problem in the playoffs is that we had one effective receiver. OF COURSE teams are going to cover him--and make sure he can't go deep. But how is this entirely Brunell's fault?


dude stop making excuses for Brunell he was very terrible in the playoffs

Brunel is old he will break down i understart any qb can get hurt ,but Brunell is not a 16 game qb no way no how ...

. . .except for last season. . . .

are you REALLY trying to tell me you didnt think brunell didnt break down , after the second giants game, the passing game totally dissappeared. and its a fact .

the future is now put in the young guy Jason Campbell. thats what i say

Everyone is saying that Campbell is our future. That isn't the issue at all. . .the question is how long Brunell is going to last us until we switch to Campbell.

i will give brunell 10 games to last this season before he gets hurt , i am not beinging negative just real . he is 36 and has bad knees and weak arm strenghten

And Coah Gibbs said it him self ,his main goal this off season is to get Jason campbell to fight for thr starting job, i heard on ESPN straight from the horses mouth buddie .

So maybe that's what we'll see. And I'll have no complaints if that's what Gibbs thinks is best. In the mean time, I see no reason for all the Brunell hating that's going on.

i am not hating brunell i am just being real and looking at the issue from both sides people saying brunell will play and start all 16 games and lead as to the superobwl, yeah right , in his so called" best season he tanked out in game 15 vs the giants , the guy is done and running on empty .

Countertrey wrote:And, MY point for the second time, is, if you trust Gibbs as much as you say you do, you will just sit back, chill out and enjoy the ride with whichever man is the quarterback.

And, I know what you SAY your point is... but I think that your real point is that you just want to argue. Knock yourself out.

i am not just arguing, some people on here think brunell stil can get the job done i think he cant.

blackirishman2006 wrote:

Countertrey wrote:And, MY point for the second time, is, if you trust Gibbs as much as you say you do, you will just sit back, chill out and enjoy the ride with whichever man is the quarterback.

And, I know what you SAY your point is... but I think that your real point is that you just want to argue. Knock yourself out.

i am not just arguing, some people on here think brunell stil can get the job done i think he cant.

There is a novel concept called people are entitled to their opinions. Much like you have your opinions about Brunell's abilities, others may completely agree or disagree. You have over-emphasized your belief that Brunell doesn't have the ability to spread the ball and succeed in the new Al Saunders offense. Please, please create a compelling argument in the following manner: make an assertion (which you are obviously more than capable of), then back that assertion up with statistics and other logical arguments. I understand you don't want Brunell, but what statistics stick out from Week 15 (a week you chose) and beyond that screams that every team member did their job and Brunell was the one who failed the team? By the way: One of your "top" quarterbacks listed is Carson Palmer, who also sat out 1 year. Campbell has only been on the bench for one year, and that may greatly aid in his development. Trust the opinions of Gibbs and the rest of the best coaching staff in the NFL.

For the record, I'm torn on the situation. I am excited to see Campbell in action, but am compelled to believe that Brunell is somewhat capable as he led us to the playoffs last year.

your right , mybad if i was looking like a jerk to some people, Nobody is wrong and nobody is right we all just think differently . well good debate anyhow . got my blood pumping faster. You know just like you fellow SKins fans i live the Redskins 24 -7 365 days a year i am HArdCore fan . i just know Gibbs and his coaches will do the right thing and have us with a superbowl in the near future .

I agree with the opinion that Campbell will play next year, when Brunell gets hurt. I'm not hoping.....but I'm betting that Brunell will miss a few plays here and there next year. Then we'll see young Mr. Campbell.

I'm happy to wait until the "time is right" for Jason to supplant Mark as our QB.

Right now, however, the time just isn't right.

Quarterbacks don't win Super Bowls in their first year. The Redskins are loaded this year and we should make a run. There's no point giving up this season to groom essentially a rookie.

This argument makes no sense at all. We should be loaded again in 2007 so would you feel more comfortable "giving up" on that season than this season? Either way Campbell is going to need a year or more to get acclimated to being a starter so to me it makes sense to start the process as soon as possible.

Because we can win now.

And next year, Campbell has two years of film study and back up work and preseason games, and other prep work to make his first year smoother.

What happens if next year Gregg Williams and Al Saunders get head coaching jobs? Or if Gibbs decides to retire? We have no idea what the team will look like in 2007.

This team is built to compete for the Super Bowl right now. I'd be much more comfortable "giving up a year" to groom a quarterback with a Super Bowl trophy under our belt, then to give up now in hopes of getting one in two years....

SkinzCanes wrote:.. Campbell is going to need a year or more to get acclimated to being a starter so to me it makes sense to start the process as soon as possible.

Maybe you missed out on understanding the real reason Gibbs used a draft pick from this year's draft to get Campbell last year was to give him the time to get ready while the team had 2 other QBs to handle things. That is what happened last year. So he has had a year, now we go forward and see how much more time is needed!

Gibbs would not have even thought about letting Ramsey go (or replacing him with someone as good) if he did not think that Campbell could handle being that close to being his QB. Collins is only here to accelerate that progress because he is familiar with Saunders offense. Campbell is getting all that you (and the rest of us) want in preparation to be our QB - but he will not be our QB until he has shown Gibbs he's ready.

That is - we are trying to get him there as quickly as possible and putting him in there before Gibbs thinks he's ready is not a very good idea. This is Gibbs team and that is how he like to do it - works for him, works for me!