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I just heard Sean say on ESPN that he thought The Cowgirls were now the number one threat in the NFC East because of the addition of T.O. How can he say that when they have so many issues. I mean , come on now, one person doesn't turn you from a 9 and 7 team to a superbowl team. He say's they are superbowl bound with just the addition of T.O. I don't beleive so.

The NFC East will be the toughest Division in football next season. Nobody can really predict anything with certainty this far in advance. But I would not be the one to say that this is going to be anywhere near a walk in the park for us or anybody else.

Philthy can come back, probably not as good as in years past but Andy Reid should never be underestimated (yes, I know about their player and coaching staff moves).

The G.Strings are getting better and if they get Arrington, they will improve their defense as they did when they took Pierce from us. The question mark is Manning. The non-question mark is Coughlin. While he is undoubtedly a hard-working coach, I agree with Barber that he will get out-coached in crunch-time games.

The Pukes are a question mark but they will be improved from last year. Everybody knows that TO will bring instant gratification in the short run, but damage in the long run. Sort of like a bad drug. This is Parcell's last hurrah. He will push them as hard as he can on his last farewell.

The champion of the NFC East might be defined by the results -within- the Division. I expect these four teams to dominate outside. I would not be surprised if all four teams do not have a losing record next season.

Ah! I forget. Unfortunately, I think we will be the favourites to win the division when the date of the start of the season approaches.

We've got ledgends and Ledgends to be in the FO of every team in the Division.
The NFC Beast is back and to say anyone is better than anyone else is just a shot in the dark. If you say the Skins are the best in the East that would also be shooting in the dark -but wearing nightvision goggles

He might have a point, they were very close to making the playoffs last season and with the addition of TO they are a bonifed playoff team. In the playoff it's all about who is hot, like last year Pitt wasn't the best team, they were hot at the right time for 4 games. Thay can happen for the Cowboys or anyone that makes it to the playoffs. But, the Cowboys are 100% a possible playoff team.

Some analysts and some fans only look at the talent and hognosticate based on everything coming together. All the teams in the NFC East have improved this off season and I think this division will be the best in the NFL again.

We were the best team in our division last year when you look at how we played as a team - We have improved and IMO we will play better together, the proof will come in how well the other teams in our division play as a team.

Owens on paper should help the Pukes but we have yet to see him live up to both his own hype and that of the analysts. He could be a changed man but he has promised this on numerous occasions and then goes into his me first role.

The new CBA agreement will allow the players much more freedom than before and I am sure Owens and Rosendick realize this.

Bledsoe has to pass and Owens has to catch - that will be interesting to see in our division next year. I hognosticate that this will be a bad scene in Dallass in the next 2 seasons.

The Redskins have a solid, dependable veteran QB. Mark Brunell is at worst a wash with Bledsoe. (Last year Mark B was slightly better.)

Then there's the running game. We have Clinton Portis. They have Julius Jones. Jones is a pretty decent runner, but he's a long ways from being as good as Clint.

Recievers? We have Moss (2nd best in the league last season) who is at least a wash with Owens plus Lloyd and Randle El. We've also got ey catching passes, Christian Fauria, and Mike Sellers as good redzone weapons. The 'Boys have Terry Glenn, who is a solid #2 but getting older, and Jason Witten. They are a solid little core, but they don't have nearly the variety of looks that the Redskins do. The Redskins have better recievers overall.

The Redskins have an offensive line with 3 Pro Bowl quality guys (Samuels, Thomas, Jansen) with a very solid center and an ever improving guard to fill it out. The Cowboys have Rivera, Adams and Allen on their line (all of whom are 30 or over BTW.) who can probably match the Redskins top 3 but Johnson and Andre Gurode aren't as good as Raybach and Dockery. I'd say at the best it's a wash, but the Redskins probably hold a pretty decent edge.

Offensively the Redskins have a much more finely tuned machine. The Cowboys aren't as good even with TO.

Defensively the Redskins have a D-Line with Andre Carter, Cornelius Griffin, Joe Salave'a, Randy Wynn, Phillip Daniels and a great supporting cast to add to the rotation. (Including maybe a young LE to spell Daniels some and start in the near future.)

The Cowboy's Jason Ferguson is on par with Griffin, but no one else on the Cowboys line even cracks Scouts Inc's ratings for "Good staters" Everyone else is adequate at best. Though the Cowboys do have some rookies, they aren't as solid as the Redskins IMO.

The linebackers for the Skins are incomplete so far. We have WLB and MLB unsettled. The Cowboys have a pretty good core of guys, so we'll have to see what happens here.

As far as corners go, Glenn and Newman. as pretty good for the Cowboys, but Shawn Springs is head and shoulders above either, and Carlos Rogers is at least as good as Glenn. No contest.

The Cowboys have Roy Williams as a safety. His partner deep in the secondary is Keith Davis. The Skins have Adam Archuleta and Sean Taylor. Taylor is at least as good as Williams (probably better at this point) and Archuleta was a star player in St. Louis. There might be some injury concerns (I think that's pretty unlikely, you give players physicals before they sign.) but at worst he's as good as Davis, probably a lot better.

So what does Sean Salsbury see in the Cowboys?

The Redskins just don't get any respect, last year we went 10-6 (including beating the Cowboys twice, the eventual NFC champions, and 5 in a row to cap the season) with like 3 games that could have gone either way (and the Tampa game that should have.)

I'm not saying the Cowboys (and Giants and Eagles) aren't going to be damn tough this year, but that's exactly why it's so silly to put the Cowboys immediately as the #1 threat from this division next year.

IMO the standings will go Redskins, Giants, Cowboys, Eagles and all will probably win at least 8 or 9 games.

SkinsFan, the Cowboys signed Jason Fabini at RT. You forgot him.

And their system places far less emphasis on defensive line than ours does. They need 3 space eaters, that's it. Linebackers are the heart of a Parcells' defense.

Newman and Anthony Henry are their starting corners; Aaron Glenn started for them last year because Henry was injured; he's their nickle. A CB analysis should really include the nickleback, since often 3 corners are in the field. Currently, our nickle is Ade Jimoh. Though I think he's played much better lately, that statement is still a scary concept.

They have talent on their team, and they'll be dangerous. Our division is tough. We don't play in the NFC West. Every one of our competitors is a very good team with a good coach. I still am waiting to see how Coughlin and Barber react to each other next year, though.

Remember, this is the same "analyst" who offered to walk naked from Point "A" to Point "B" last year if the Redskins even made the playoffs, right?

Yeah, his word is gold around my house.

Not.

Salisbury is about as worthless as an anchor as he was a quarterback.

Didn't he host that Battle Bots show on Comedy Central a few years ago?

Justice Hog wrote:Remember, this is the same "analyst" who offered to walk naked from Point "A" to Point "B" last year if the Redskins even made the playoffs, right?

Yeah, his word is gold around my house.

Not.

Wow...do we have pictures of him walking naked ??

SkinsChic wrote:Wow...do we have pictures of him walking naked ??

If there is a God, and I certainly hope there is, the answer to that question sould be "NO"!

So let me see, Salsbury has this job at which he doesn't know squat. WE (Redskins) just can't get any respect ,can we ? I thought we earned some at the end of last season ,didn't we ? Yeah , he said he'd walk naked but he didn't. Lucky us !!

This battle in the East will definately be hard fought. Before Dallas got TO I saw them being at #3 in the East.

1st of all I think the top 3 teams could swap positions a lot.

1. Skins - Although we came in 2nd in the NFC East I think that at the end of the season we were the best team. The game the Giants beat us in was a fluke. It wasn't a fluke that they won but in the manner in how we loss.

2. Giants - This team from a personel standpoint can only get better. They're upgrading and haven't lost anyone of signigicant importantance. Their biggest issue IMO is the coaching/player relationships. After Coughlins entire squad basically blamed him for the loss it makes me wonder how things will go over. They wanted his head before they started to win.

3. Cowboys - I see them having some issues IF JJ can't get back on the tracks. He kinda fell under the radar last season which was his sophmore year? I wouldn't be shocked if he came back with a full head of steam but he's definately vital to the Cowboys. The pukes need to find a way to protect their statue and how will TO fit in?

Why hasn't Parcells commented on TO yet? If that was Snyder the media would break out the meddlesome owner crap in a second.

TO is a cancer no doubt and its just a matter of time. How long will it take for him to piss someone off. Teammates disagree all the time but its escalates little by little. TO has a short leash with everyone and the moment someone THINKs he's going to act up how will they react? Dallas had a heck of a WR corps imo and I dont believe they're going to gain enough for what the trouble may eventually be.

Plus we handled TO will when he was in Philly, we'll handle him here too.

4. Philthy - They missed their boat. They had the division to themselves and still couldn't win. Now they're actually going to have to be good to make the playoffs. I dont see them getting in, their team is in shambles.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:3. Cowboys - I see them having some issues IF JJ can't get back on the tracks. He kinda fell under the radar last season which was his sophmore year? I wouldn't be shocked if he came back with a full head of steam but he's definately vital to the Cowboys. The pukes need to find a way to protect their statue and how will TO fit in?

Why hasn't Parcells commented on TO yet? If that was Snyder the media would break out the meddlesome owner crap in a second.

TO is a cancer no doubt and its just a matter of time. How long will it take for him to piss someone off. Teammates disagree all the time but its escalates little by little. TO has a short leash with everyone and the moment someone THINKs he's going to act up how will they react? Dallas had a heck of a WR corps imo and I dont believe they're going to gain enough for what the trouble may eventually be.

Plus we handled TO will when he was in Philly, we'll handle him here too.

You're all making something out of absolutely nothing with this Parcells thing.

How many times did Jones say he spoke with him numerous times about TO and each and every time said he was on board for it?

Did everyone forget that Parcells met personally with the dirtbag Shane McMahon look-alike during the combine?

There's no rift. Parcells and Jerrah are on the same page. If he didn't want him, he wouldn't be in Dallas.

Figures that it would take us to cut Key and sign TO for someone to say we had a good WR corps last season.

Primetime42 wrote:Figures that it would take us to cut Key and sign TO for someone to say we had a good WR corps last season.

There isn't a rift...yet...

I always felt that you guys had a heck of a corps. Glenn when he's not being a little girl is a heck of a WR.

Key was decent but needed to keep his mouth shut.

Clayton? He seems decent enough.

All 3 will keep you busy.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:4. Philthy - They missed their boat. They had the division to themselves and still couldn't win. Now they're actually going to have to be good to make the playoffs. I dont see them getting in, their team is in shambles.

I think I disagree here. With A.R. as the head coach, this team will be back in the hunt once again. They just won't be the dominant team in the East that they once were.

There will be no push-over team in the NFC East in 2006. I think it'll be anybody's race, with the Skins the slight favorite right now.

i'm with J H on this - I think that these 4 teams will all be in contention and it's just a matter of the breaks.

We all have the players and the coaches to be very competitive but things have a way of not being so easy to predict with this group lately.

The Eagles with Owens and McNabb were better than the pukes with Owens and Bledsoe, IMO. The Redskins handled that combination pretty well and I do not think Bledsoe will fare any better. I think we all know who is the better QB between Bledsoe and McNabb.



This game and especially in this division the better teams always seem to beat the better players. Talent and potential do not matter that much when you play against better coached teams.

The NY bunch may not be as cohesive after last season as you need to be.

That leaves the Redskins as the NFC East favorites - well at least in the minds of those who know what is really happening.

T O

Difference maker?

In the league how long?

How many teams?

How many Superbowl Rings?

How many TD dances on the 50 yard line star?

Cowboys PRIDE???

nnnnnnnnnnah!

SkinsJock wrote:i'm with J H on this - I think that these 4 teams will all be in contention and it's just a matter of the breaks.

We all have the players and the coaches to be very competitive but things have a way of not being so easy to predict with this group lately.

The Eagles with Owens and McNabb were better than the pukes with Owens and Bledsoe, IMO. The Redskins handled that combination pretty well and I do not think Bledsoe will fare any better. I think we all know who is the better QB between Bledsoe and McNabb.



This game and especially in this division the better teams always seem to beat the better players. Talent and potential do not matter that much when you play against better coached teams.

The NY bunch may not be as cohesive after last season as you need to be.

That leaves the Redskins as the NFC East favorites - well at least in the minds of those who know what is really happening.

I disagree with the assessment on the T.O. addition being less effective in little "d". The difference is that Bill Parcells has done a much better job at running the ball against our defense than the Eagles have. We do have a good run D, but the combination of a balanced attacking and a timely risk-taking aggressiveness that BP has, I'd be surprised if we don't have trouble with them. They have a lot of guns. Hopefully that O-line doesn't hold up for them, otherwise, it could be a hard fought race for the East.

The difference is that Bill Parcells has done a much better job at running the ball against our defense than the Eagles

Yada, yada, yada....


Anyone notice that BP has had no comment about this "monster" signing? You don't think that means anything?

I do... I think that old BP ain't very happy about this, and that he has listened to Mom's advice: "If you can't say anything nice, then don't say anything at all". Could there be trouble in paradallas?

Can't imagine Jerry did this without Parcell's blessing..I hope he did but would be suprised if he did.

IMO the Cowboys have too many ifs to be considered the front runner in the division. Bledsoe, Owens, O and Dline.

Bledsoe is a big ?

as well as a sitting duck

How is Bledsoe a ?

He's get a stronger, more accurate arm than McNabb.

He's also smarter.

His problem is holding onto the ball too long waiting to make the perfect play. He has no clock in his head.

Other than that and scrambling/playmaking, he craps on McNugget.

3700 yards last year with the worst OT tandem in football and 9 players consistently in the box isn't a question mark to me.

Primetime42 wrote:He's also smarter.

His problem is holding onto the ball too long waiting to make the perfect play. He has no clock in his head.

:hmm: so in other words, you're saying he ain't too smart? way to win an argument.