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Wynn playing DT
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 11:51 am
by DaRealistJoka
"Left end Renaldo Wynn, who is recovering from surgery after breaking his forearm against the Buccaneers, likely will be moved to defensive tackle."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02141.html
I was thinking this would be a interesting topic. I know Wynn is a great run stuffer,but can he play tackle?I know that he has played it before,but what kind of production did he have. I think this would be good for him because he is a good guy and earn a right to play.This might be good for the redskins a fast (yes fast at DT that is)DT inside with griff.Joe may have found something here far as having a pass rushing DLine that also can stuff the run.
What do u guys think?
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:10 pm
by Steve Spurrier III
I would think, and hope, that Wynn would be on the inside for passing downs and on the outside for running downs, with Salavea'a moving inside, and either Daniels or Carter subbing out (or perhaps even Carter to linebacker).
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:39 pm
by SKINS23beME
I like him as a an alternate to griff or BIG joe but not as a starter. Those two in the middle are beasts and get excellent push up the middle. But we definitely need R Dub on the squad contributing.
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:43 pm
by BossHog
He played DT some before he came to Washington, and has lined up at DT in various packages the Redskins have had under different defensive schemes while he's been here (moved inside on 3rd and long).
Depending on how we use Carter and/or if we go after another DE, it seems natural to use Wynn in both a DE and DT rotation (he might not get much playing time otherwise). It will help limit his reps a bit to keep him fresh, and give Gregg Williams just that many more looks that he can give a defense. I would think it would be as in the past, Wynn would be used inside on 3rd and long beside Corny, and Salave'a would come out.
Obviously it's tough to say until rosters are set because we still could draft someone or pick up another free agent as well.
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:46 pm
by SkinsFanInHawai'i
Daniels can play DT sometimes too.
We now have a lot of different "packages" with the signing of Carter.
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 1:11 pm
by jazzyjimmy
Hopefully some of 'em can generate a pass rush.
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Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 2:56 pm
by Skinsfan55
I think that Wynn is a little old to be an everyday player now.
I think he's going to be a part time DT next season if this news of a move is true...
But isn't Carter a RE? Who will be our starting LE?
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:11 pm
by SkinzCanes
But isn't Carter a RE? Who will be our starting LE?
From the Wash Post:
In the end, the 6-foot-4, 265-pound Carter chose the Redskins because of what he termed his "connection" with Blache, as well as the club's reiteration that he could be one of the better defensive ends in the league. It was a degree of reinforcement he did not have in San Francisco, which had converted him to a linebacker.
"Andre, to his credit, said, 'There was one other team I kind of semi-promised to visit, and I think I need to do that,' and we got nervous," Gibbs said. "At that point, we panicked. And we got into some late nights, about 3:30 in the morning with text messaging and phone calls to stay on top of everything. It was a tight time for us, and the next day, Andre decided to become a Redskin."
Carter is something of a Renaissance man. He is a classically trained pianist whose father, fearing his body would be worn down by years of youth football, did not allow him to play the game until the 10th grade. Instead, Carter was involved in music, tennis and martial arts.
He said he played out of position with the 49ers, and their desire to keep playing him at linebacker was a key reason he did not return, he said. Washington and Denver, meanwhile, both assured him he would be used as a defensive end.
"That was a big thing for me," he said. "I wanted to be a DE. They told me I could play at right end, and they saw my potential."
Carter's arrival will shuffle the defensive line. Carter will play right end, which would move Phillip Daniels from right to left end. Daniels ended the season strong, recording seven sacks over the final three regular season games and the playoff win over Tampa Bay. Left end Renaldo Wynn, who is recovering from surgery after breaking his forearm against the Buccaneers, likely will be moved to defensive tackle.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02141.html[/b]
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:28 pm
by Irn-Bru
Skinsfan55 wrote:I think that Wynn is a little old to be an everyday player now.
I think he's going to be a part time DT next season if this news of a move is true...
He's not that old, as he will be 32 this upcoming season (in September). That's not exactly the point where good players start slowing down. Strahan had his best year in his 9th year in the league (Favre helped him break the sack record, but he dominated nonetheless).
I haven't seen anything from Wynn that's suggested that he's slowing down. Sure, we could give him a break to help keep him fresh, but he's still an 'every down' player whether or not we give him that breather. After all, if we put him at DT he'll sit out downs because of Williams packages, but not because he's old.
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:53 pm
by Skinsfan55
My bad FFA, I didn't mean that Wynn was THAT old, but different guys age at a different pace and I don't know if Wynn is even as good as he was a couple years ago.
I do like this news about Daniels moving to LE though (thanks SkinzCanes) and I think Wynn as a part time DT (do we have any other kind on the Redskins?) and situational fill in at DE would be the best spot for him (Daniels, Salave'a, Griffin and Wynn are pretty tough to beat vs. the run)
He might still see a lot of snaps, but I don't see him as an every down player anymore.
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:05 pm
by air_hog
This might just work. Wynn's strength is stopping the run and he still might be able to slide by some of those fat OG.
We'll see what happens when the roster is finalized, but he might end switching DE to DT every other play just to screw up the OL...
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:38 pm
by redskins12287
Skinsfan55 wrote:My bad FFA, I didn't mean that Wynn was THAT old, but different guys age at a different pace and I don't know if Wynn is even as good as he was a couple years ago.
I do like this news about Daniels moving to LE though (thanks SkinzCanes) and I think Wynn as a part time DT (do we have any other kind on the Redskins?) and situational fill in at DE would be the best spot for him (Daniels, Salave'a, Griffin and Wynn are pretty tough to beat vs. the run)
He might still see a lot of snaps, but I don't see him as an every down player anymore.
So why is Wynn not a every down player anymore? Because you dont see him as one is not a very strong argument.
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 7:16 pm
by gay4pacman
he will have trouble beating out our DT's for a starting position but he should def. get playing time as g williams likes to switch out lineman to keep themfresh
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 7:34 pm
by Skinsfan55
redskins12287 wrote:Skinsfan55 wrote:My bad FFA, I didn't mean that Wynn was THAT old, but different guys age at a different pace and I don't know if Wynn is even as good as he was a couple years ago.
I do like this news about Daniels moving to LE though (thanks SkinzCanes) and I think Wynn as a part time DT (do we have any other kind on the Redskins?) and situational fill in at DE would be the best spot for him (Daniels, Salave'a, Griffin and Wynn are pretty tough to beat vs. the run)
He might still see a lot of snaps, but I don't see him as an every down player anymore.
So why is Wynn not a every down player anymore? Because you dont see him as one is not a very strong argument.
What? You have to draw from your own observations in the absence of Gregg Williams expressly saying so... I'm not allowed to trust my own eyes and interpretation of the stats? Bull.
Anyway, not only do my own eyes tell me what I need to know, but the fact that Wynn is moving positions and going into a reserve role is a pretty good indicator.
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 7:55 pm
by Chris Luva Luva
So it has been confirmed that he's going into a reserve role?
If that is true its my belief that its not due to a physical break down in him but due to the fact that DT is not his natural position. He's a great run stopping DE but not a good pass rusher. He's clearly been replaced by Carter and since he's a DE he's not going to be our best DT. He's probally a tad bit undersized for the position anyway. So Wynn going into a reserve role has more to do with his speciality not being our biggest need.
If our biggest need was a run stopping DE he'd be in the starting lineup fulltime.
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:26 pm
by redskins12287
Skinsfan55 wrote:redskins12287 wrote:Skinsfan55 wrote:My bad FFA, I didn't mean that Wynn was THAT old, but different guys age at a different pace and I don't know if Wynn is even as good as he was a couple years ago.
I do like this news about Daniels moving to LE though (thanks SkinzCanes) and I think Wynn as a part time DT (do we have any other kind on the Redskins?) and situational fill in at DE would be the best spot for him (Daniels, Salave'a, Griffin and Wynn are pretty tough to beat vs. the run)
He might still see a lot of snaps, but I don't see him as an every down player anymore.
So why is Wynn not a every down player anymore? Because you dont see him as one is not a very strong argument.
What? You have to draw from your own observations in the absence of Gregg Williams expressly saying so... I'm not allowed to trust my own eyes and interpretation of the stats? Bull.
Anyway, not only do my own eyes tell me what I need to know, but the fact that Wynn is moving positions and going into a reserve role is a pretty good indicator.
I am not questiong you apparent amazing personal interpretation of the situation. I was just saying that because you think so, is not a stong argument. Perhaps a quote from Gregg Williams would be a stronger argument.
I think I am starting to understand something I read in smack the other day...
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 10:19 pm
by JonC56
The reason why he got such a lucrative contract from washington was because of his play at DT when he played for jacksonville. I think DT seems to be a more natural fit for his playing ability because his obvious strength is stopping the run, considering that he has only registered 4 1/2 sacks in the last 2 years with the Redskins.
Just my
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 10:53 pm
by Redskin in Canada
JonC56 wrote:I think DT seems to be a more natural fit for his playing ability because his obvious strength is stopping the run, considering that he has only registered 4 1/2 sacks in the last 2 years with the Redskins.
Great observation.
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 12:08 pm
by ryanw7196
Everything about this defense screams versatility, we have safetys who can play corner and vice versa, lb's who play d line and vice versa, de's who can move inside and out and all around. If you noticed the main thing Andre Carter touted in his press conference was the word "versatility" and that is probably the main reason we went after him. Rather than a bunch of single position standouts everywhere we have 11 football players who will do anything at any position to help hold offenses back and thats what i like about this D.
Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:52 am
by redskincity
He is kind of light S to be playing DT and he didn't look that good when he was plugged in when Griffin and Salvae were out.
He is not a good bull rusher and definitely ain't a 3 tech guy.
Maybe he had a stomach ache.