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Clark signs with Steelers
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 7:33 am
by Chris Luva Luva
http://www.washtimes.com/sports/200...11438-5398r.htm"There are a lot of speeches about core guys, but then they don't keep the core group together," said Clark, who's going to visit the Steelers today. "I love my teammates and my coaches, but there's the football side, and there's the business side of the building. [Redskins owner] Dan Snyder likes to make big moves, and Archuleta's a first-round guy. He's a good player, an athletic guy. They'll be able to use him well."
Clark, who made the Giants as undrafted rookie in 2002 and had a surprisingly large impact after signing with the Redskins just before training camp in 2004, would be unhappy to leave Washington.
"We have real good chemistry on defense, especially in the secondary," Clark said. "I know my role. And my teammates know what to expect from me. I'm not trying to break the bank. I just want to take care of my family. But with Sean [Taylor] and Archuleta, three's a crowd. I've worked too hard to be on the bench again. I've been proving people wrong my whole career. This is just another example of nothing coming easy for me."
If we sign that Artichoke guy or whatever his name is and let Clark go.... Dissapointment will be the least of how I feel about this team. *Rings panic bell* I thought we got past the high profile F/A signing. I thought we were more into growing our talent and not over paying. Needless to say it looks like things haven't changed as much as I thought
IF this is true. "core redskins"
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 7:45 am
by MEZZSKIN
I agree Luva. Clark was getting better and Loved being A Redskin. The signing have brought great excitement but also confusion. I mean how can we pay our #3 reciever a 10 million dollar signing bonus..Im happy we got Randle el because were cleary a better team...but its safe to say the "Financial Prudence Theory" has been thown out the window...That contract is a head scratcher to say the least
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 7:53 am
by redskingush
Adam Artuleta would be a good guy to sign even if it means losing Ryan Clark. Artuleta was a good safety in St. Louis with virtully no help around him, imagine him in the secondary beside Taylor with Rodgers and Springs on the outside, It is a good fit for us. 2 Hard hitting safties, nobody would try the middle again.
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 7:58 am
by Chris Luva Luva
redskingush wrote:Adam Artuleta would be a good guy to sign even if it means losing Ryan Clark. Artuleta was a good safety in St. Louis with virtully no help around him, imagine him in the secondary beside Taylor with Rodgers and Springs on the outside, It is a good fit for us. 2 Hard hitting safties, nobody would try the middle again.
Thats my issue right there. There will ALWAYS be someone better. There is someone or will be someone out there better than Portis, Moss, Washington, etc. are we going to upgrade every time someone comes around better? Are we going to show our "core redskins"
the boot because someone can hit harder? Ryan Clark was by far one of the strongest points of our defense for the past two years. I may be wrong but didn't he lead the team in interceptions?
Im hoping that this report is wrong and that we dont sign Artichoke to replace Ryan.
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 8:07 am
by redskingush
As far as the core, I thought Lavar was one of them, obviously Clark isnt. What is the Core, I'll take a shot:
Brunell
Portis
Moss
ey
Sellers
Samuels
Jansen
Thomas
Washington
Rodgers
Marshall
Taylor
Salava'a
Griffin
CLL, you like Ryan Clark and i agree hes a good safety, but in this case Artuleta will be good. Obviosly Joe and Dan are not signing everything the way it used to be done. Ryan Clark is a "Spurrier era Skin" Joes way of maybe making this team his own.
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 8:22 am
by Chris Luva Luva
redskingush wrote:CLL, you like Ryan Clark and i agree hes a good safety, but in this case Artuleta will be good. Obviosly Joe and Dan are not signing everything the way it used to be done. Ryan Clark is a "Spurrier era Skin" Joes way of maybe making this team his own.
Are you being serious? Clark didn't even start when Spurrier was here, Bowen was. Bowen got hurt in 2004 when Gibbs arrived and Clark took the position over.
Clark isn't a Gibbs guy? Everytime I see Clark all he says is that he owes everything to God and that he's blessed and thankful for everything. The kid has his faith/beliefs, he's a team player, he loves the Skins, he said he wouldn't break the bank. What else more do you need to do to be a "core skin"?
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 9:21 am
by USAFSkinFan
redskingush wrote:Adam Artuleta would be a good guy to sign even if it means losing Ryan Clark. Artuleta was a good safety in St. Louis with virtully no help around him, imagine him in the secondary beside Taylor with Rodgers and Springs on the outside, It is a good fit for us. 2 Hard hitting safties, nobody would try the middle again.
Archuleta is a joke... I live here in St Louis and get to watch the analysis of there horrible defense every week. Their defense is really bad and can't tackle. As bad as they are, the first thing they wanted to do in the off season is get rid of Archuleta and get some safeties and linebackers who can tackle... he makes the occasional big play on the blitz but he can't cover and can't tackle in the open field... the changed his position a couple times to try and light a fire in him, but nothing worked... in fact they have a whole humorous video here of him missing open field tackles on long runs, and some of the clips are really laughable... what does it say if one of the worst defenses in the league says hes not good enough for them... Ryan Clark is just plain better than Archuleta...
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 9:23 am
by kadskin
Chris Luva Luva wrote:redskingush wrote:CLL, you like Ryan Clark and i agree hes a good safety, but in this case Artuleta will be good. Obviosly Joe and Dan are not signing everything the way it used to be done. Ryan Clark is a "Spurrier era Skin" Joes way of maybe making this team his own.
Are you being serious? Clark didn't even start when Spurrier was here, Bowen was. Bowen got hurt in 2004 when Gibbs arrived and Clark took the position over.
Clark isn't a Gibbs guy? Everytime I see Clark all he says is that he owes everything to God and that he's blessed and thankful for everything. The kid has his faith/beliefs, he's a team player, he loves the Skins, he said he wouldn't break the bank. What else more do you need to do to be a "core skin"?
I agree Chris. But sometimes we have to realize that even if Joe Gibbs is our HC, this is still the NFL and there are other people who contribute to the decision of keeping certain guys and replacing them. I really wouldn't want Clark to leave, he's a stand up guy and he seems to love being a REDSKIN. But like i said this is the NFL and sometimes unfortunately, no matter how good of a person you are, in the NFL, talent and ability is still the main issue. But i believe if Clark goes somewhere else, he will become a top-rated kind of guy and will be the "core" of another team. I wish him the very best.
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 9:31 am
by DEHog
While I like Clark he was brought here as a backup and contiues to be a backup. What's wrong with adding depth? If Clark is that good he will be paid his worth in the open market. If not why not come back and compete? One thing about a GW D is you know you'll play!
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 9:38 am
by BossHog
I don't know who's whining harder, CLL or Ryan Clark.
It never ceases to amaze me how all of you know better than the coaching staffs. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that if GW thinks Arch is a better fit in certain ways than Clark, he just might be. Is he as good a tackler as Clark... maybe not... but he's a MUCH BETTER blitzer... and GW showed what he can do with a blizing safety in 2004 when he unleashed Bowen before he got hurt. But he was a sack machine BEFORE he got hurt. How many sacks did Clark have last year? maybe this is what GW wants out of Arch....
Oh and one more last thought... CLL why don't you post the details of what Ryan Clark's asking price is so that we can see if he is indeed asking for a fair market price.
If you don't know the answer, tell me how you are qualified to comment on what is 'over paying'?
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 9:42 am
by rick301
I think that Clark's been doing a great job. Archuleta sounds like he would be a great addition. I think we need BOTH Clark and Archuleta, especially with Taylor's future in the air with his trial and all, and for depth.
This sounds like someone who is upset that they no longer be the leading candidate for a position. Right now its Clark position to loose (assuming he resigns with the skins). His remarks are a bit whinney. These types of remarks do not endear the coaches in a positive way and usually is a sign that someone may not be back.
The Skins will play the best player for each position - so even if Archuleta is signed, he'd compete with Clark for a starting job.
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 9:44 am
by rick301
USAFSkinFan wrote:Archuleta is a joke... I live here in St Louis and get to watch the analysis of there horrible defense every week. Their defense is really bad and can't tackle. As bad as they are, the first thing they wanted to do in the off season is get rid of Archuleta and get some safeties and linebackers who can tackle... he makes the occasional big play on the blitz but he can't cover and can't tackle in the open field... the changed his position a couple times to try and light a fire in him, but nothing worked... in fact they have a whole humorous video here of him missing open field tackles on long runs, and some of the clips are really laughable... what does it say if one of the worst defenses in the league says hes not good enough for them... Ryan Clark is just plain better than Archuleta...
Where's the link to the video?
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 9:55 am
by DEHog
rick301 wrote:USAFSkinFan wrote:Archuleta is a joke... I live here in St Louis and get to watch the analysis of there horrible defense every week. Their defense is really bad and can't tackle. As bad as they are, the first thing they wanted to do in the off season is get rid of Archuleta and get some safeties and linebackers who can tackle... he makes the occasional big play on the blitz but he can't cover and can't tackle in the open field... the changed his position a couple times to try and light a fire in him, but nothing worked... in fact they have a whole humorous video here of him missing open field tackles on long runs, and some of the clips are really laughable... what does it say if one of the worst defenses in the league says hes not good enough for them... Ryan Clark is just plain better than Archuleta...
Where's the link to the video?
There's a reason there're the worst D in the leauge...Might have something to do with the Bears being the Best D in the league
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:04 am
by love_them_skins!
rick301 wrote:I think that Clark's been doing a great job. Archuleta sounds like he would be a great addition. I think we need BOTH Clark and Archuleta, especially with Taylor's future in the air with his trial and all, and for depth.
This sounds like someone who is upset that they no longer be the leading candidate for a position. Right now its Clark position to loose (assuming he resigns with the skins). His remarks are a bit whinney. These types of remarks do not endear the coaches in a positive way and usually is a sign that someone may not be back.
The Skins will play the best player for each position - so even if Archuleta is signed, he'd compete with Clark for a starting job.
This is a great point.... I think things will work out, but there is the very realy possibility that we don't have Sean Taylor next year... maybe the front office and coaching staff are thinking about that as well...
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:09 am
by John Manfreda
Chris Luva Luva wrote:redskingush wrote:Adam Artuleta would be a good guy to sign even if it means losing Ryan Clark. Artuleta was a good safety in St. Louis with virtully no help around him, imagine him in the secondary beside Taylor with Rodgers and Springs on the outside, It is a good fit for us. 2 Hard hitting safties, nobody would try the middle again.
Thats my issue right there. There will ALWAYS be someone better. There is someone or will be someone out there better than Portis, Moss, Washington, etc. are we going to upgrade every time someone comes around better? Are we going to show our "core redskins"
the boot because someone can hit harder? Ryan Clark was by far one of the strongest points of our defense for the past two years. I may be wrong but didn't he lead the team in interceptions?
Im hoping that this report is wrong and that we dont sign Artichoke to replace Ryan.
Lemar Marshall did I believe with 4.
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:15 am
by ii7-V7
I like Clark, but I think he's being a hypocrite....its strange for someone to talk about team and then to refuse to look at the situation from a team perspective.
Clark knows all about the Taylor situation...he knows all about players like Pierce and Smoot who say they want to stay and then move on. He knows all about the lack of depth in our secondary. He should be looking at this situation and seeing it for what it is....an insurance policy. If he is so secure in his role in this secondary then he shouldn't be afraid of a little competition.
Chad
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:17 am
by Countertrey
I think things will work out, but there is the very realy possibility that we don't have Sean Taylor next year... maybe the front office and coaching staff are thinking about that as well...
I don't think that's it at all. Gregg Williams defense is about giving quarterbacks and running backs happy feet... and about giving receivers severe alligator arm syndrome. Archuleta helps on both fronts...
Additionally, I do believe that Williams wants Clark around as well. But, let's face it... if heart was the most important attribute for a player to have, Ryan Clark would be a perpetual Pro Bowler. It's not. Archuletta brings stuff to the table that Clark can't touch.
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:31 am
by DaRealistJoka
So what's the deal, did we offer him a contract or what? I want Clark and Arch because we use a lot of packages and Clark will still play a lot. I think he is a little frustrated that we are going after Arch so hard. I believe Arch is a better player then Clark, really he won the job because Bowmen got hurt and could not stay healthy.
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:32 am
by COZ
BossHog wrote:I don't know who's whining harder, CLL or Ryan Clark.
It never ceases to amaze me how all of you know better than the coaching staffs. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that if GW thinks Arch is a better fit in certain ways than Clark, he just might be. Is he as good a tackler as Clark... maybe not... but he's a MUCH BETTER blitzer... and GW showed what he can do with a blizing safety in 2004 when he unleashed Bowen before he got hurt. But he was a sack machine BEFORE he got hurt. How many sacks did Clark have last year? maybe this is what GW wants out of Arch....
Oh and one more last thought... CLL why don't you post the details of what Ryan Clark's asking price is so that we can see if he is indeed asking for a fair market price.
If you don't know the answer, tell me how you are qualified to comment on what is 'over paying'?
Boss - I know you are the site admin but what never ceases to amaze me is your undying need to correct and at the same time blast those people who don't share your opinion. It seems to me (my opinion of course) that you go out of your way to bomblast anything or one who isn't on the same page as you. And instead of asking CLL to post Clark's details why don't you and then maybe he will see where you are coming from. And if you don't know the answer well then your post holds about as much water as you preceive CCL's does.
Now on topic - Artuleta was one of the bright spots of the Rams defense and he has proven to be a consistant player and a hard hitter. I do agree with Boss that we need a QB sacker coming downhill fast and he fits the bill. If Clark wants to stay and we have room - I think he would be a great backup and spot player. More so if we don't have the services of Mr. Taylor.
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:38 am
by John Manfreda
Countertrey wrote:I think things will work out, but there is the very realy possibility that we don't have Sean Taylor next year... maybe the front office and coaching staff are thinking about that as well...
I don't think that's it at all. Gregg Williams defense is about giving quarterbacks and running backs happy feet... and about giving receivers severe alligator arm syndrome. Archuleta helps on both fronts...
Additionally, I do believe that Williams wants Clark around as well. But, let's face it... if heart was the most important attribute for a player to have, Ryan Clark would be a perpetual Pro Bowler. It's not. Archuletta brings stuff to the table that Clark can't touch.
Heart is the most important aspect, there are just other aspects too. Just because Clark has a lot of heart doesn't mean Adam doesn't have a lot of heart. We don't know about Adam's heart at all, we just know about Redskins players. I had no idea about Moss big heart until this year. Adam could have a huge heart too.
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:52 am
by Redskin in Canada
Archuleta is Bowen's replacement. Obviously there would be competition against Clark to start but if I was Clark, let it come and show who is the best.
Sign the Redskins contract offer Ryan.
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:53 am
by USAFSkinFan
BossHog wrote:I don't know who's whining harder, CLL or Ryan Clark.
It never ceases to amaze me how all of you know better than the coaching staffs. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that if GW thinks Arch is a better fit in certain ways than Clark, he just might be. Is he as good a tackler as Clark... maybe not... but he's a MUCH BETTER blitzer... and GW showed what he can do with a blizing safety in 2004 when he unleashed Bowen before he got hurt. But he was a sack machine BEFORE he got hurt. How many sacks did Clark have last year? maybe this is what GW wants out of Arch....
Oh and one more last thought... CLL why don't you post the details of what Ryan Clark's asking price is so that we can see if he is indeed asking for a fair market price.
If you don't know the answer, tell me how you are qualified to comment on what is 'over paying'?
I agree... I'll always defer to the coaches when evaluating talent (although I got to watch Heath Shuler a lot in college and I couldn't understand why any scout had him rated that highly - Charlie Ward was way better and got no respect IMO) sorry, back to my point... you're right I could see Archuleta in that role that Bowen was in before his injury... I would love for it to work, but I'm afraid we'll see more gafs than sacks... I was a huge fan of his when the Rams drafted him, but he's steadily gone down hill since being here... maybe a change will do him good, who knows...
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 11:27 am
by hkHog
BossHog wrote:I don't know who's whining harder, CLL or Ryan Clark.
It never ceases to amaze me how all of you know better than the coaching staffs. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that if GW thinks Arch is a better fit in certain ways than Clark, he just might be. Is he as good a tackler as Clark... maybe not... but he's a MUCH BETTER blitzer... and GW showed what he can do with a blizing safety in 2004 when he unleashed Bowen before he got hurt. But he was a sack machine BEFORE he got hurt. How many sacks did Clark have last year? maybe this is what GW wants out of Arch....
Oh and one more last thought... CLL why don't you post the details of what Ryan Clark's asking price is so that we can see if he is indeed asking for a fair market price.
If you don't know the answer, tell me how you are qualified to comment on what is 'over paying'?
Yes, Archuleta is being brought in here for his ability to blitz the QB.
For those who were saying you can always upgrade at every position, this is obviously something that Gregg Williams put his finger on and said we HAD TO upgrade. We all know that we had a hard time getting pressure on the QB last year.
It was pretty obvious that we would be bringing in a WR and a DE on the first day of FA but obviously the fact that we brought in AA showed that the coaching staff felt that that was just as much of a glaring hole.
I hope we can still resign Clark though, he is a very good player. Also, what happens if Sean Taylor goes to jail?
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 11:31 am
by Redskins1974
I have a feeling Clark is trying to get more money out of the 'skins then a backup's worth. I really like the guy and hope we can retain him. However, he might have just bought his ticket out of here talking like that.
I don't understand the whining about "core Redskins." We can't keep every single person and the staff has done a great job this offseaon of keeping almost everyone together. Basically, we lost Royal, an OK TE who was paid more than he was worth by Buffalo. We potentially could lose Clark who was great in his role but not an essential cog. It would be great to keep him but even without him, we've kept our core together AND added some essential pieces.
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 11:40 am
by Jake
I hope Clark stays and I hope that he doesn't think that Archuleta is "replacing" him.
If we were trying to replace Clark, we still wouldn't be negotiating with him.
Archuleta is bringing a blitzing demension to our safeties.