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I understand we would like depth at every position but I can't see any one of these guys being ok with being the teams 4th receiver.

There is no doubt Moss is number one and with these other weapons he could have a even better season next year but who is 2 then 3 and do you really think any of them would be ok at 4? Anyway we have Thrash at 4. Oh yeah what about Jacobs...isn't he still on the team?

My guess is Lloyd and Randle El fight it out for 2 and 3 and Patten is traded, maybe for a draft pick.

One this is for sure...this offence will have some real good weapons next season!

Your thoughts?

ike075 wrote:I understand we would like depth at every position but I can't see any one of these guys being ok with being the teams 4th receiver.

There is no doubt Moss is number one and with these other weapons he could have a even better season next year but who is 2 then 3 and do you really think any of them would be ok at 4? Anyway we have Thrash at 4. Oh yeah what about Jacobs...isn't he still on the team?

My guess is Lloyd and Randle El fight it out for 2 and 3 and Patten is traded, maybe for a draft pick.

One this is for sure...this offence will have some real good weapons next season!

Your thoughts?

Patten might go in a package deal, but really, who wants him? He did nothing. His season best was seven passes for 63 yards, with a long of 16 against Denver, not to mention his spot on the IR. I think being a #4 sounds about right.

Jacobs is still on the team, but hopefully he vanishes in a poof of dust and is rinsed off Thrash's cleats at the end of the day.

I agree that we have no need for Patten but I dont think he is going anywhere. When was the last time we saw the skins with a 4 WR set? If indeed we did have a 4 WR set that would mean CP(or any other running back) would not be in the formation, this assuming ey(or another H-Back/TE) is in it. I cant see Gibbs keeping CP out on formations too many times knowing how good of a blocking back he is. I dont see a need for Patten when we have thrash who we will most likely keep due to his purposes on ST. I dont know many teams that would give up a draft pick for patten though, seeing he is aging, been hurt, and everyone knows that we dont need him. We can keep our fingers crossed but I feel that Patten will stay on the team and be our # 4 with Thrash only playing WR in 5 WR sets and ST.

We can't afford him to go anywhere but stay on our team. Now Jacobs is gone, Ferris is gone. I am sure that they both should be released.

I think you guys vastly underestimate patten.. i live in NE so i got to see full seasons with him, hes not a guy we want to let go after one season with an injury... give him another year and youll change your mind.

i think he and lloyd will switch in an out at the number 3 spot. al know how to use different guys for different things

TincoSkin wrote:I think you guys vastly underestimate patten.. i live in NE so i got to see full seasons with him, hes not a guy we want to let go after one season with an injury... give him another year and youll change your mind.

i think he and lloyd will switch in an out at the number 3 spot. al know how to use different guys for different things

But the problem is not how to use them but if these guys will be willing to be the 4th go to receiver. If I recall Patten was a little upset he was not getting enough looks last season before the injury. Can you imagine how he will react when he is the 3rd or most likely 4th look?

Plus we have Thrash who is a waste at 5th.

youre right about patten whine'n but now hes has no reason, he is obviously not either of the top two guys now hes more like a 4.. but thats no reason to cast him out, take a cap hit as a result and lose a great player that will do us proud

give the boy time is all

I still would like to keep Patten just because of his experience. The guy has won 3 superbowls.

TincoSkin wrote:give the boy time is all

For some reason my last post only posted the quote...

Patten's best game last year was against Denver in week 5. He caught a season-high seven passes for a season-high 63 yards, with a long of 16. His longest reception was for 32 yards against the lowly 49ers He'll also be 32 when the season starts. The drop off in production, injuries and age all show a guy who may not have a lot left in the tank, but my understanding is that if we cut him, we'll be lose more money than we save. This means that more than likely, he'll be here next year serving as a #4 or will be traded.

1. Santana Moss
2/3. Brandon Lloyd/Antwan Randel-el
4. David Patten
5. James Thrash
6. Taylor Jacobs
7. Antonio Brown

Not to mention Clinton Portis, Ladell Betts, Chirs ey and Mike Sellers.

Now, let's hope Brunell can stay both healthy and consistent or Jason Campbell pulls a Roethlisburger or Palmer out of his belt.

I think you guys need to go watch the tape from last season. There were quite a few times that Patten had his man beat deep only to have the pass over or under thrown. Patten is a player, period.

bwdjr wrote:I think you guys need to go watch the tape from last season. There were quite a few times that Patten had his man beat deep only to have the pass over or under thrown. Patten is a player, period.

Patten looked like a chump last season. He proved to me that he is not #2 WR quality and the recent signings enforce my sentiment.

He got pushed around like a little girl by DB's.
Patten never attacked the ball and would allow DB's to body him out for position on a catch.

The ONLY good play he had was a PI call he drew on a catchable pass that he still dropped.

Thanks but no thanks, he's #3 at best. He'll be #4 with Lloyd here.

Patten looked good enough when he played.

We'll see. Gibbs will let them play it out. But (pretending to be Bobby Beathard and Joe Gibbs all at once) I believe that Taylor Jacobs and Antonio Pierce will be cut in camp, and maybe Thrash.

Just remember the long stretches when the Redskins brought back Jimmy Farris and Rich Parsons. That wasn't scaping the bottom of the barrel...it was scraping through the bottom and scrtaching into the sand under the barrel.

Won't happen again.

welch wrote:Patten looked good enough when he played.

We'll see. Gibbs will let them play it out. But (pretending to be Bobby Beathard and Joe Gibbs all at once) I believe that Taylor Jacobs and Antonio Pierce will be cut in camp, and maybe Thrash.

Just remember the long stretches when the Redskins brought back Jimmy Farris and Rich Parsons. That wasn't scaping the bottom of the barrel...it was scraping through the bottom and scrtaching into the sand under the barrel.

Won't happen again.

Wow, we really are hurting at wideout when we're counting on the Giants linebackers to play receiver

Are you all that fickle... or just that forgetful?

Because you're obviously one or the other.

Am I the only one that actually remembers how loud you all whined when Patten went down and we had no depth... or how loud you all whined about our lack of ST return threat...

... having four receivers couldn't POSSIBLY mean that in this day and age of the NFL that a team actually building had an eye for the inevitibility of injuries, could it?

Nah... that'd be an awful lot of intellectualism for football, wouldn't it? Thankfully, JG is making the personnel decisions and not some of you... I don't know ... perhaps your computer is as close to the game as some of you've ever been. I am really struggling to see the negatives in filling two holes (that I personally thought we had) just two days into FA.

And then a third with Fauria, but I'll address that one in his thread.




And I'm pretty sure welch meant Antonio Brown, not Pierce. And he's right, as much as we all love Thrash... he's expendable now and with 875K of cap to free up if needed.

Ahhh depth You may be on to something here BH

BossHog wrote:And I'm pretty sure welch meant Antonio Brown, not Pierce. And he's right, as much as we all love Thrash... he's expendable now and with 875K of cap to free up if needed.

Oh I know he did, I'm just having fun

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

bwdjr wrote:I think you guys need to go watch the tape from last season. There were quite a few times that Patten had his man beat deep only to have the pass over or under thrown. Patten is a player, period.

Patten looked like a chump last season. He proved to me that he is not #2 WR quality and the recent signings enforce my sentiment.

He got pushed around like a little girl by DB's.
Patten never attacked the ball and would allow DB's to body him out for position on a catch.

The ONLY good play he had was a PI call he drew on a catchable pass that he still dropped.

Thanks but no thanks, he's #3 at best. He'll be #4 with Lloyd here.

Ouch . I didn't think Patten was as bad as you make him seem. He is a small guy and more of a speedy type then a bodying WR. So it's kind of a freeshot to say that he "got pushed around like a little girl" because he's a small reciever and more of a speedy kind of guy. And remember he was injured? I think it will be SMART to keep Patten around, for some veteran leadership and depth. He's still a valuable and quality WR for us. Yes, that's right i said "veteran LEADERSHIP", don't you guys remember that he could have played earlier because of his quick recovery from injury but he didn't say anything or complain that he wasn't placed in to play, by the coaches, until the end of the season. That's pretty mature if you ask me and he looked like he was on the sideline getting players pumped up all the time. He's a keeper in the WR position guys.

BossHog wrote:Are you all that fickle... or just that forgetful?

Because you're obviously one or the other.

Am I the only one that actually remembers how loud you all whined when Patten went down and we had no depth... or how loud you all whined about our lack of ST return threat...

... having four receivers couldn't POSSIBLY mean that in this day and age of the NFL that a team actually building had an eye for the inevitibility of injuries, could it?

Nah... that'd be an awful lot of intellectualism for football, wouldn't it? Thankfully, JG is making the personnel decisions and not some of you... I don't know ... perhaps your computer is as close to the game as some of you've ever been. I am really struggling to see the negatives in filling two holes (that I personally thought we had) just two days into FA.

And then a third with Fauria, but I'll address that one in his thread.




And I'm pretty sure welch meant Antonio Brown, not Pierce. And he's right, as much as we all love Thrash... he's expendable now and with 875K of cap to free up if needed.

Please keep in mind this thread was not started as a is Patten any good. He is a decent receiver however as you might recall last year as a #2 he was not very pleased with the lack of looks in his direction. With the signing of Lloyd and Randle El he easily drops down to a #3 and in my opinion #4. Do you think this is a guy who is going to grin and deal with it or would they trade him at his own request or just not needing the additional WR. At least with Patten you can get something in return and the other guys you would just cut lose with nothing coming back to us. There is no doubt having depth is a necessity however I think with who we have we have depth and then some.

BossHog wrote:And he's right, as much as we all love Thrash... he's expendable now and with 875K of cap to free up if needed.

I hope it doesn't come to that. Due to his ability to contribute on special teams, Thrash would be by far the best guy to keep on the roster behind the top four guys.

Steve Spurrier III wrote:

BossHog wrote:And he's right, as much as we all love Thrash... he's expendable now and with 875K of cap to free up if needed.

I hope it doesn't come to that. Due to his ability to contribute on special teams, Thrash would be by far the best guy to keep on the roster behind the top four guys.

i agree i think thrash ia a valuable player for the skins