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Why would we even consider signing Todd "clipboard holder" Collins? Dude has thrown 27 total passes in the past 6 seasons and when he was a starter in Buff he was awful. There are plenty of bargain veteren backup qbs in the league that we could easily train to run the "chief offense" that Collins has never even proved to be a master of. It reminds me of Spurrier signing former Gators for christ sake! Give me Gus Frerotte or even Sage jeez!

We have got to be the only team in the league considering this never was dork!

Dude, calm down. Collins will be brought in to help teach the offense to Brunell and Campbell. He will never see the field as the 3rd QB.

Californiaskin wrote:Why would we even consider signing Todd "clipboard holder" Collins? Dude has thrown 27 total passes in the past 6 seasons and when he was a starter in Buff he was awful. There are plenty of bargain veteren backup qbs in the league that we could easily train to run the "chief offense" that Collins has never even proved to be a master of. It reminds me of Spurrier signing former Gators for christ sake! Give me Gus Frerotte or even Sage jeez!

We have got to be the only team in the league considering this never was dork!

He's being brought in to hold a clipboard and as insurance for Mark and Jason. He knows Saunders system and will be the 3rd QB. If we are the only ones looking at him than he should come at a reasonable price.

Nope.........not even worth teaching the "o" to Cambell and Brunell. Thats why we have coaches. Ask the Jets about QB depth. Collins is crap and we could very easily do better.

Californiaskin wrote:Nope.........not even worth teaching the "o" to Cambell and Brunell. Thats why we have coaches. Ask the Jets about QB depth. Collins is crap and we could very easily do better.

Obviously there are more talented options available, but you have to allocate your resources efficently. The opportunity cost of signing Drew Brees to be our third-stringer is far too high.

Californiaskin wrote:Nope.........not even worth teaching the "o" to Cambell and Brunell. Thats why we have coaches. Ask the Jets about QB depth. Collins is crap and we could very easily do better.

Dude please...we have a HOF Head coach, Al Saunders, Greg Williams, and Al Saunders making decisions on personell. Their opinions are the only ones that count.

He would be perfect to instruct Campbell and in an emergency he can step in and know how to run the offense.

You have to have a 3rd QB...I don't think any 3rd QB's have outstanding stats, or else they wouldn't be 3rd QB's.

Why bring in a 'more talented' QB and have to teach him an entirely new offense as well. Collins will be like an extra QB coach for Campbell and will be valuable in the film room. It's a wise move...besides the likelihood that he will ever get onto the field is remote. But even if he did, at least he would know what the heck was going on.

Californiaskin wrote:Why would we even consider signing Todd "clipboard holder" Collins? Dude has thrown 27 total passes in the past 6 seasons and when he was a starter in Buff he was awful. There are plenty of bargain veteren backup qbs in the league that we could easily train to run the "chief offense" that Collins has never even proved to be a master of. It reminds me of Spurrier signing former Gators for christ sake! Give me Gus Frerotte or even Sage jeez!

We have got to be the only team in the league considering this never was dork!

This is the stupidest post I have ever read on and board ever.

Todd Collins can actually help teach Campbell and Brunell how to impliment the offense and teach it in practical terms. He's also a solid backup and would arguably be the best #3 in the league.

He's going to an ideal situation for him, and will help the Redskins even if he doesn't see the field.

DMY, there's no need to get this upset about it.

The Hogster wrote:Dude please...we have a HOF Head coach, Al Saunders, Greg Williams, and Al Saunders making decisions on personell. Their opinions are the only ones that count.

Why does Saunders have so much input?

1niksder wrote:

The Hogster wrote:Dude please...we have a HOF Head coach, Al Saunders, Greg Williams, and Al Saunders making decisions on personell. Their opinions are the only ones that count.

Why does Saunders have so much input?

He probably doesn't but I am sure that he would love to have Collins as his third guy to help bring the QB's up to speed, since it looks like he hasn't brought any staff with him

Dude please yourself
IMO QB situation. What if:

Brunell goes down (realistic probability) and Campbell plays poorly (realistict probability). Then we are stuck with Todd " I cant play a lick" Collins. Look at the Eagles crappy QBs last year. Season was over when McNabb went down.And the Jets (Testeverde?) Why do we need to spend money (11 year vet minimum $) on a guy like Collins who has not played more than 1 quarter of meaningful ball in the past 7 years? We have coaches to teach offense. If Todd knows it so well he should be hired as a coach. Not as someone who may actually have to take the reins. I say we spend a little more cash and bring in a player who may be able to develop and has some fire like a Brian Griese etc. At leasst then we could have a chance to still compete.

Brian Griese will not agree to come in as a #3 the will go for most players that you will come up with. Even thrid stringers want to be starters and think they are worth starter or atleast #2 money. We don't need a starter we need a #3 that can compete for time in practice, nothing more

[quote]"This is the stupidest post I have ever read on and board ever"[/quote]

You actually must be kidding? Check the 5 Brandon Loyd posts tonight alone!

Californiaskin wrote:Dude please yourself
IMO QB situation. What if:

Brunell goes down (realistic probability) and Campbell plays poorly (realistict probability). Then we are stuck with Todd " I cant play a lick" Collins. Look at the Eagles crappy QBs last year. Season was over when McNabb went down.And the Jets (Testeverde?) Why do we need to spend money (11 year vet minimum $) on a guy like Collins who has not played more than 1 quarter of meaningful ball in the past 7 years? We have coaches to teach offense. If Todd knows it so well he should be hired as a coach. Not as someone who may actually have to take the reins. I say we spend a little more cash and bring in a player who may be able to develop and has some fire like a Brian Griese etc. At leasst then we could have a chance to still compete.

In order to take your realistic scenario seriously, just fast forward to the end of your paragraph and tell me how in the world, Brian Griese or anybody of his ability level would take a third string job for any team. Since when does the third string quarterback on any team have to be anything but a clipboard holder. Sure Brunell might go down so could Vick, Manning and every other qb in the league, you play hard two deep in this league. Name me one #3 qb who was superb in stats last year?

Other than that you make perfect sense, and on that note, Jeff George is available too.

DCGloryYears828791 wrote:

Californiaskin wrote:Dude please yourself
IMO QB situation. What if:

Brunell goes down (realistic probability) and Campbell plays poorly (realistict probability). Then we are stuck with Todd " I cant play a lick" Collins. Look at the Eagles crappy QBs last year. Season was over when McNabb went down.And the Jets (Testeverde?) Why do we need to spend money (11 year vet minimum $) on a guy like Collins who has not played more than 1 quarter of meaningful ball in the past 7 years? We have coaches to teach offense. If Todd knows it so well he should be hired as a coach. Not as someone who may actually have to take the reins. I say we spend a little more cash and bring in a player who may be able to develop and has some fire like a Brian Griese etc. At leasst then we could have a chance to still compete.

In order to take your realistic scenario seriously, just fast forward to the end of your paragraph and tell me how in the world, Brian Griese or anybody of his ability level would take a third string job for any team. Since when does the third string quarterback on any team have to be anything but a clipboard holder. Sure Brunell might go down so could Vick, Manning and every other qb in the league, you play hard two deep in this league. Name me one #3 qb who was superb in stats last year?

Other than that you make perfect sense, and on that note, Jeff George is available too.

We should get Culpepper

Californiaskin wrote:Dude please yourself
IMO QB situation. What if:

Brunell goes down (realistic probability) and Campbell plays poorly (realistict probability). Then we are stuck with Todd " I cant play a lick" Collins. Look at the Eagles crappy QBs last year. Season was over when McNabb went down.And the Jets (Testeverde?) Why do we need to spend money (11 year vet minimum $) on a guy like Collins who has not played more than 1 quarter of meaningful ball in the past 7 years? We have coaches to teach offense. If Todd knows it so well he should be hired as a coach. Not as someone who may actually have to take the reins. I say we spend a little more cash and bring in a player who may be able to develop and has some fire like a Brian Griese etc. At leasst then we could have a chance to still compete.

This is not Madden 2007, what makes you think Brian Griese a starter last year who lead the Bucs to a 5-1 record before being injured wants to come to Washington to play behind Brunell and Campbell?

Uh, makes no sense. Not only will he be a starter somewhere in this diluted QB market, but our team would not pay our 3rd QB the type of money it would take to land Griese.

Also, if Brunell gets hurt (which is realistic) Campbell will not be pulled easily for poor play. If you know Gibbs, he is loyal to his QB's and will allow Campbell to come along at his pace.

1niksder wrote:

DCGloryYears828791 wrote:

Californiaskin wrote:Dude please yourself
IMO QB situation. What if:

Brunell goes down (realistic probability) and Campbell plays poorly (realistict probability). Then we are stuck with Todd " I cant play a lick" Collins. Look at the Eagles crappy QBs last year. Season was over when McNabb went down.And the Jets (Testeverde?) Why do we need to spend money (11 year vet minimum $) on a guy like Collins who has not played more than 1 quarter of meaningful ball in the past 7 years? We have coaches to teach offense. If Todd knows it so well he should be hired as a coach. Not as someone who may actually have to take the reins. I say we spend a little more cash and bring in a player who may be able to develop and has some fire like a Brian Griese etc. At leasst then we could have a chance to still compete.

In order to take your realistic scenario seriously, just fast forward to the end of your paragraph and tell me how in the world, Brian Griese or anybody of his ability level would take a third string job for any team. Since when does the third string quarterback on any team have to be anything but a clipboard holder. Sure Brunell might go down so could Vick, Manning and every other qb in the league, you play hard two deep in this league. Name me one #3 qb who was superb in stats last year?

Other than that you make perfect sense, and on that note, Jeff George is available too.

We should get Culpepper

Or maybe we could trade our #2 pick this year along with Brandon Lloyd and get Brett Farve!!!

LOL Jeff George..............

Though he would seriously be better than Collins cuz he has played more recently!

I'm not hating on anyones opinion I just think it would be easy to find a better third QB than Collins that may be able to actually play a little bit and may have actually played in the 2000's.

Californiaskin wrote:LOL Jeff George..............

Though he would seriously be better than Collins cuz he has played more recently!

I'm not hating on anyones opinion I just think it would be easy to find a better third QB than Collins that may be able to actually play a little bit and may have actually played in the 2000's.

If they have played in the 2000s and are still 3rd stringers that should say something. To not have played in five years and have a roster spot also says something

Californiaskin wrote:LOL Jeff George..............

Though he would seriously be better than Collins cuz he has played more recently!

I'm not hating on anyones opinion I just think it would be easy to find a better third QB than Collins that may be able to actually play a little bit and may have actually played in the 2000's.

which is exactly why someone else makes decisions at redskins park, and you get paid to do what it is you do....

Californiaskin wrote:Dude please yourself
IMO QB situation. What if:

Brunell goes down (realistic probability) and Campbell plays poorly (realistict probability). Then we are stuck with Todd " I cant play a lick" Collins. Look at the Eagles crappy QBs last year. Season was over when McNabb went down.And the Jets (Testeverde?) Why do we need to spend money (11 year vet minimum $) on a guy like Collins who has not played more than 1 quarter of meaningful ball in the past 7 years? We have coaches to teach offense. If Todd knows it so well he should be hired as a coach. Not as someone who may actually have to take the reins. I say we spend a little more cash and bring in a player who may be able to develop and has some fire like a Brian Griese etc. At leasst then we could have a chance to still compete.

Campbell will probably struggle if/when Brunell gets hurt. He's a 2nd year guys who has taken no snaps in his NFL carreer. So what? The only way Collins gets on the field is if both Brunell and Campbell get hurt. That's not realistic. Gibbs will stick with Campbell through his struggles because he's a work in progress.

Wow, so much anger over an emergency QB. If Brunell gets hurt and Gibbs doesn't want Collins as a #2, they'll find someone on the free agent market when the time comes. Jason Campbell is supposed to be the future of the organization. He's going to go through growing pains whenever he gets on the field.

Here's the question I have, I thought we already had a third string QB. We signed Casey Bramlet back in January. Collins makes perfect sense to bring in, but will they keep four QBs on the roster? Maybe Bramlet will go to the practice squad.

Californiaskin wrote:LOL Jeff George..............

Though he would seriously be better than Collins cuz he has played more recently!

I'm not hating on anyones opinion I just think it would be easy to find a better third QB than Collins that may be able to actually play a little bit and may have actually played in the 2000's.

Just relax....the 3rd QB generally holds a clip board and calls in signals sometimes...it's good that Collins would know the signals already so we can get down to business when we get into OTA's and not have to spend more time getting him up to speed.

Have faith...who knows..if he were ever needed to play, he might step in and perform well since he has such a great knowledge of the system.

Ok I'm to take from this discussion that Todd Collins is the best 3rd Qb we could go with.

Big names like Culpepper/Brees and more unrealistic cap banter aside you all actually feel that it would be better to go with Collins than anyone else available?

And this decision is based on his ability and familiararity with the chief system as opposed to his actual playing ability which has proven to be at best mediocre.

I think I'd rather start grooming another rookie or picking up a Mike McMahon type.

First: Why would you ever pay three quarterbacks starter saleries with a salary cap? That's silly. We did last year and were lucky to get away with it.

Second: Guys like Culpepper and Brees would never sign with us if they wouldn't be able to start.

Third: Thrid string quarterbacks almost never make it to the field. Do you remember Campbell taking a snap last year?

Fourth: 3rd QB's don't have much value. You sign them for cheap, you cut them. Remember Tim Hassleback? We cut him, we went to the Giants. They cut him and now he's looking for work (as far as I know).

Fifth: If Collins can help Brunell & Campbell get up to speed in Sander's style of play, all the better.

Californiaskin wrote:Ok I'm to take from this discussion that Todd Collins is the best 3rd Qb we could go with.

Big names like Culpepper/Brees and more unrealistic cap banter aside you all actually feel that it would be better to go with Collins than anyone else available?

And this decision is based on his ability and familiararity with the chief system as opposed to his actual playing ability which has proven to be at best mediocre.

I think I'd rather start grooming another rookie or picking up a Mike McMahon type.

dude..... i seriously don't get it with you. do you think collins is going to break the bank? the last backup qb we gave ANY type of salary in recent years to was rob johnson during the collge coach era. and even he got cut. what makes you think, that if collins is so inferior, that he'll even make the 52 man roster? take a step back, swallow a valium, and get you panties out of that wad j/k with that last line, of course.

If he can help the present quarterbacks get up to speed on Al Saunders system, then he has been in asset by that alone. He is going to be our 3rd string quarterback. Lets not get all bent out of shape over a player who probably wont play one regular season snap all year. If for some reason we have injury problems at QB, we have a third stringer who is comfortable with our offensive system.

The key word here is 3RD STRING. Keep it in perspective.