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RAMSEY
Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 4:32 pm
by elchalje
Are you guys going to have to cut Ramsey by 10 p.m. tonight to save cap money? As I understand it, he is $1.7 million of the potential cap savings. Pretty clear that no deals are going to get done today in terms of trades, not with every one trying to figure out the cap consequences of no CBA. A number one draft choice cut with no compensation?
Re: RAMSEY
Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 4:36 pm
by GoSkins
elchalje wrote:Are you guys going to have to cut Ramsey by 10 p.m. tonight to save cap money? As I understand it, he is $1.7 million of the potential cap savings. Pretty clear that no deals are going to get done today in terms of trades, not with every one trying to figure out the cap consequences of no CBA. A number one draft choice cut with no compensation?
If I were a betting man I would say Ramsey will not be cut.
Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 4:51 pm
by leatherhead 377
BYE BYE PAT.............
Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 5:00 pm
by cvillehog
Pat is trade bait, not fodder for cutting.
Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 5:07 pm
by Mursilis
cvillehog wrote:Pat is trade bait, not fodder for cutting.
While that is true, the team's facing a 10 PM TONIGHT cap deadline, and there's been no deal on Ramsey so far. How long do you hang on to a guy you know won't play for you next season?
Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 5:14 pm
by The Hogster
People are playing the waiting game to see if we cut him. If we do then why trade? I think that will backfire though...we will cut people other than Pat to get down and then trade him.
Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 5:20 pm
by Mursilis
The Hogster wrote:People are playing the waiting game to see if we cut him. If we do then why trade? I think that will backfire though...we will cut people other than Pat to get down and then trade him.
I don't think any team considers him enough of a sure-fire QB to give up a draft pick. I'll bet he just gets cut, not traded.
Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 5:23 pm
by Redskins1974
The Redskins had hoped to get at least a fourth-round draft pick in a trade for backup quarterback Patrick Ramsey, but might end up releasing him to save $1.7 million. Place kicker John Hall, whose injuries have put the team in a roster crunch the last two seasons, is another candidate to be cut; his release would save $1 million.
-- Washington Post
Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 5:30 pm
by leatherhead 377
The team is hand-cuffed and other temas know it. 1.7 million in saving, I say BYE, BYE........
Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 5:45 pm
by SkinsJock
I'm not sure that Joe will let Patrick go just yet.
Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 6:01 pm
by redskinz4ever
don't let the door hit you where the good lord split you ......... BYE BYE PAT !!!!
Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 6:43 pm
by frankcal20
I think that they will keep him and try to trade him. Also, with free agency being extended 3 days we can possibly work something out. Also, remember, we got a 6th for Rod Gardner. And you guys think that we wont get anything for him?
Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 7:39 pm
by The Hogster
Somebody will deal for Ramsey, they are just waiting it out since we may have to purge him anyway, but if not, look for the callers to fork over something for him.
Better to get him now than when he becomes a FA in the uncapped year.
What a DUFUS...demanding a trade now instead of playing next year and hitting FA in what might be an uncapped year. Sure he didn't anticipate that but his agent should have told him to keep his mouth shut.
Way to go Ramsey's agent. That guy is money, wish he was my agent. haha
Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 10:01 pm
by crazyhorse1
Check the stats, bright guys. Ramsey's played the equivalent of 21-25 games, thrown 34 TD's, and gained well over 5000 yds, many more than any other Redskin over last 4 years, many more than Brunell's. Rams yds per season projects out to over 3000 per season. Those are Hall of Fame numbers and compare favorably with early numbers of Steve Young, John Elway, Troy Aikman, and Warren Moon.
Why is it you think it was a shrewd move to put him on the bench? of Why is it you have such a problem with perception?
the stats say all kinds of things
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:03 am
by old-timer
Check the stats, bright guys. Ramsey's played the equivalent of 21-25 games, thrown 34 TD's, and gained well over 5000 yds, many more than any other Redskin over last 4 years, many more than Brunell's. Rams yds per season projects out to over 3000 per season. Those are Hall of Fame numbers and compare favorably with early numbers of Steve Young, John Elway, Troy Aikman, and Warren Moon.
Why is it you think it was a shrewd move to put him on the bench? of Why is it you have such a problem with perception?
If Ramsey is so great:
- why are we getting no offers for him?
- why does Gibbs think he's not the right guy for the team?
I used to be a big fan of Ramsey, still am in some ways. He has a great arm. His problems are his decision making and his mobility. Ramsey has great stats because so often we were playing catchup to make up for his mistakes.
Stats are often misleading. So many people point out that we are '24-0' or some such when Portis runs for 100 yards, and then they go on to make the false conclusion that if we just run him enough so he gets to 100 yards, we should win. This is wrong. There are lots of reasons why Portis gets 100 yards in a win, but the overall team performance that results in a win generally comes first, and the rushing yards come second. Similarly, Ramsey's numbers might be great, but he is often racking up these yards and completions at times when we are getting our asses kicked and have abandoned a balanced attack in a futile attempt to pass our way to victory.
The bottom line for an QB is how well the team is doing, or has the team lost in spite of the QB's efforts based on the judgment of the coach. Ramsey has come up short by this measure, ergo, no other team wants to pay anything for him.
Re: the stats say all kinds of things
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:26 am
by cvillehog
old-timer wrote:- why are we getting no offers for him?
- why does Gibbs think he's not the right guy for the team?
You don't (and can't) even know if either of those are true.
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:48 am
by GoSkins
First, Crazy Horse is well...I prefer to agree with the first name of your screen name.
Second. Old Timer asked 2 questions (even though they might be considered rhetorical). If we get the right offer Ramsey is gone. Just refer to Gibbs' quotes over the last week. Second, we do know Ramsey is not the right guy for this team because Gibbs said if the offer was right he would trade Ramsey.
Re: the stats say all kinds of things
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:54 am
by old-timer
cvillehog wrote:old-timer wrote:- why are we getting no offers for him?
- why does Gibbs think he's not the right guy for the team?
You don't (and can't) even know if either of those are true.
First of all, I think it's pretty obvious that Gibbs does not want Ramsey long-term, I guess based on his first season assessment. If Ramsey was acceptable, Gibbs would have started him at some point during the season. If Ramsey was acceptable, Gibbs would not have used a first-rounder on a QB, that would not make any sense at all. He didn't even give Ramsey a chance during last season, therefore he has already made his decision; Ramsey is not the future.
Secondly, if we had received an acceptable offer, Ramsey would be gone by now. Ramsey was a high first rounder, the bar for acceptability would be something of value. So abviously we have not received it. Another wasted first round pick.
Re: the stats say all kinds of things
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 10:06 am
by cvillehog
old-timer wrote:cvillehog wrote:old-timer wrote:- why are we getting no offers for him?
- why does Gibbs think he's not the right guy for the team?
You don't (and can't) even know if either of those are true.
First of all, I think it's pretty obvious that Gibbs does not want Ramsey long-term, I guess based on his first season assessment. If Ramsey was acceptable, Gibbs would have started him at some point during the season. If Ramsey was acceptable, Gibbs would not have used a first-rounder on a QB, that would not make any sense at all. He didn't even give Ramsey a chance during last season, therefore he has already made his decision; Ramsey is not the future.
Secondly, if we had received an acceptable offer, Ramsey would be gone by now. Ramsey was a high first rounder, the bar for acceptability would be something of value. So abviously we have not received it. Another wasted first round pick.
First, it is clear that Gibbs feels ramsey is a perfectly acceptible back-up quarterback. This is clear because he not only didn't cut Ramsey last year, but rejected trade offers for him. Additionally, when Brunell went down, Gibbs did not hesitate to put Ramsey in.
Secondly, you said we had received "no offers." Now you are changing that to no "acceptable" offers. Obviously there have been no acceptable offers because none have been accepted. You are just stating the obvious. Ramsey was a late first rounder -- he was picked number 32, in fact. I'm not sure if that's what you meant by "high."
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 10:58 am
by SkinsJock
The Hogster wrote:..What a DUFUS...demanding a trade now instead of playing next year and hitting FA in what might be an uncapped year...
Can you provide a link to where Ramsey demanded a trade?
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:01 am
by Chris Luva Luva
A QB could throw a perfect game... He could have 5 TDs and a 100% completion rate but if he throws a game losing pick what good did it do him? What good has Peytons records done to get him a ring? Ramsey isnt our starter because of stuff that the stats can't show.
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 12:40 pm
by DeathByLinebacker#56
Once again if we had a GM, maybe PR would have been dealt by now for at least a 2nd or 3rd rounder.We seemed to have waited to long to pull the trigger on dealing PR.
Re: the stats say all kinds of things
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:33 pm
by old-timer
cvillehog wrote:old-timer wrote:cvillehog wrote:old-timer wrote:- why are we getting no offers for him?
- why does Gibbs think he's not the right guy for the team?
You don't (and can't) even know if either of those are true.
First of all, I think it's pretty obvious that Gibbs does not want Ramsey long-term, I guess based on his first season assessment. If Ramsey was acceptable, Gibbs would have started him at some point during the season. If Ramsey was acceptable, Gibbs would not have used a first-rounder on a QB, that would not make any sense at all. He didn't even give Ramsey a chance during last season, therefore he has already made his decision; Ramsey is not the future.
Secondly, if we had received an acceptable offer, Ramsey would be gone by now. Ramsey was a high first rounder, the bar for acceptability would be something of value. So abviously we have not received it. Another wasted first round pick.
First, it is clear that Gibbs feels ramsey is a perfectly acceptible back-up quarterback. This is clear because he not only didn't cut Ramsey last year, but rejected trade offers for him. Additionally, when Brunell went down, Gibbs did not hesitate to put Ramsey in.
Secondly, you said we had received "no offers." Now you are changing that to no "acceptable" offers. Obviously there have been no acceptable offers because none have been accepted. You are just stating the obvious. Ramsey was a late first rounder -- he was picked number 32, in fact. I'm not sure if that's what you meant by "high."
If Ramsey was perfectly acceptable as a backup, why would he use a first-rounder on Campbell? Ideally, your backup is a future starter. If he was a future starter in Gibbs eyes, Gibbs would not have used a first rounder on a rookie QB when we have such obvious needs at WR and DE. This should be obvious to anyone with half a brain. And there is no way that Gibbs is going to put a rookie QB in for Brunell, he had no choice but Ramsey. Again, this is so freakin' obvious I should not have to tell you that.
Okay, so Ramsey was not 'high' first rounder, he was just a first rounder. Sue me.
It'sridiculous to say that not cutting Ramsey is some sort of endorsement of him. Tthere is no way, unless he absolutely has to, that Gibbs is going to cut a first round draft pick like Ramsey who still has obvious talent and will surely be given a legitimate shot as a starter somewhere. 'No offers' is the same as acceptable offers to me, I've heard that the best we can expect is a 3rd or 4th rounder for Ramsey. If we haven't gotten at least that much, that is the same as 'no offer' to me.
And as far as your idiotic Letterman quote, that is a typical no-class, brainless comment from someone who has abolutely nothing of substance to argue. Letterman is an idiot comapred to O'Reilly.
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:54 pm
by SkinsJock
Ramsey is a QB with some value to Gibbs and he did the "right thing" here last season. I think that Gibbs is trying to do the "right thing" by Ramsey in return. I also think he will not hurt the team by letting Ramsey go unless he is comfortable at the QB position. Campbell is going to get a chance to QB this team but when is key and even if Campbell is ready to go right now I do not think that Gibbs is going to just have Brunell and Campbell and then some less than quality back-up here.
I think Ramsey stays unless Gibbs gets a good enough deal to let him go to try be a starter somewhere else. This will not happen IMHO just to let him go but only if Gibbs is comfortable with the whole QB situation. There are not a lot of QBs that will be able to make Gibbs feel good enough to let Ramsey go.
Ramsey is closer to staying than leaving at this time - that may change as we see what happens in the next 6 weeks.
Re: the stats say all kinds of things
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 5:39 pm
by cvillehog
old-timer wrote:cvillehog wrote:old-timer wrote:cvillehog wrote:old-timer wrote:- why are we getting no offers for him?
- why does Gibbs think he's not the right guy for the team?
You don't (and can't) even know if either of those are true.
First of all, I think it's pretty obvious that Gibbs does not want Ramsey long-term, I guess based on his first season assessment. If Ramsey was acceptable, Gibbs would have started him at some point during the season. If Ramsey was acceptable, Gibbs would not have used a first-rounder on a QB, that would not make any sense at all. He didn't even give Ramsey a chance during last season, therefore he has already made his decision; Ramsey is not the future.
Secondly, if we had received an acceptable offer, Ramsey would be gone by now. Ramsey was a high first rounder, the bar for acceptability would be something of value. So abviously we have not received it. Another wasted first round pick.
First, it is clear that Gibbs feels ramsey is a perfectly acceptible back-up quarterback. This is clear because he not only didn't cut Ramsey last year, but rejected trade offers for him. Additionally, when Brunell went down, Gibbs did not hesitate to put Ramsey in.
Secondly, you said we had received "no offers." Now you are changing that to no "acceptable" offers. Obviously there have been no acceptable offers because none have been accepted. You are just stating the obvious. Ramsey was a late first rounder -- he was picked number 32, in fact. I'm not sure if that's what you meant by "high."
If Ramsey was perfectly acceptable as a backup, why would he use a first-rounder on Campbell? Ideally, your backup is a future starter. If he was a future starter in Gibbs eyes, Gibbs would not have used a first rounder on a rookie QB when we have such obvious needs at WR and DE. This should be obvious to anyone with half a brain. And there is no way that Gibbs is going to put a rookie QB in for Brunell, he had no choice but Ramsey. Again, this is so freakin' obvious I should not have to tell you that.
Okay, so Ramsey was not 'high' first rounder, he was just a first rounder. Sue me.
It'sridiculous to say that not cutting Ramsey is some sort of endorsement of him. Tthere is no way, unless he absolutely has to, that Gibbs is going to cut a first round draft pick like Ramsey who still has obvious talent and will surely be given a legitimate shot as a starter somewhere. 'No offers' is the same as acceptable offers to me, I've heard that the best we can expect is a 3rd or 4th rounder for Ramsey. If we haven't gotten at least that much, that is the same as 'no offer' to me.
And as far as your idiotic Letterman quote, that is a typical no-class, brainless comment from someone who has abolutely nothing of substance to argue. Letterman is an idiot comapred to O'Reilly.
So, you are saying that every back-up quarterback in the league is meant to one day take over as starter? Do you even watch football?
As for Letterman and O'Reilly: Letterman knows he's not smart, but O'Reilly doesn't. To quote Socrates, "true knowledge exists in knowing that you know nothing."
As you seem to be a fan of O'Reilly, another bit of Socrates for you: "To find yourself, think for yourself."
(If you didn't think to point out the irony of me telling you to think for yourself by posting a quotation of someone else's thoughts, then you have no sense of humor.)