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Current odds per ESPN has us at 20:1 behind the Cowboys, Eagles, and Giants to win SB 41. Is this an issue of respect, or do we really have that many questions heading into next year? I will be putting some $$ on the skins regardless, but maybe I am just an optimisic homer

It's a lack of respect. I looked up the odds on some gambling websites (of course I myself would never do such a thing, it is illegal! ) and on each one I saw our odds were third best in the NFC just behind Carolina and Seattle and well above those other three crappy teams. That ESPN thing is clearly just the OPINIONS of a very few number of biased people. BTW, do you have a link?

Behind the Cowboys? bull

We are actually 18:1 to win the 2007 Superbowl here is the list according to Vegas. 18:1 is very respectfull.

Colts 9:2
Patriots 5:1
Steelers 8:1
Chargers 10:1
Broncos 12:1
Seahawks 12:1
Panthers 12:1
Redskins 18:1
Bears 18:1
Chiefs 18:1
Cowboys 20:1
Giants 20:1
Bengals 20:1
Eagels 25:1
Dolphins 25:1
Falcons 30:1
Ravens 30:1
Jaguars 30:1
Vikings 30:1
Bucs 30:1
Raiders 50:1
Rams 50:1
Cardinals 60:1
Packers 60:1
Lions 80:1
Browns 80:1
Jets 80:1
Titans 100:1
Saints 100:1
Bills 100:1
Texans 100:1
49ers 150:1

There are only 2 other NFC teams with better odds, Panthers and Seahawks and both of those two teams are good but they do not scare me, like some of the better AFC teams do! So, I say our chance to atleast make the Superbowl is pretty dam good.

Keep this on the hush though....I would love to 'surprise' the world, but to me this is no surprise...we've been close for a long time.

The Hogster wrote:Keep this on the hush though....I would love to 'surprise' the world, but to me this is no surprise...we've been close for a long time.

You are right Hogster, not Redskins fans but any other NFL team fan would be suprised if we even make it to the Superbowl. And in reality the "so called experts" are giving us a good chance to go all the way, we are not a long shot infact we are one of the favorites.

Did you write those odds?

Remember:

skinzrule wrote:I am pissed. We worked hard to get to the playoffs and we wasted a golden opportunity. Next year won't be so easy with the return a healthy eagles and development of a well balanced giants team. We probably won't even be division favorites. We some big offseason moves and a Ramsey-Brunell brain-body transplant.

Welcome to the board.

Odds mean nothing. (Thanks )

Standings are what matter.

Complete lack of respect

redskindave wrote:Complete lack of respect

Gotta love it!! I'd always rather be the underdog. It sucked when we were odds on favorites after some splashy offseason purchases and then stunk up the place. I'd much rather it be more like last year (with a better ending of course)

ChrisHanburger wrote:

redskindave wrote:Complete lack of respect

Gotta love it!! I'd always rather be the underdog. It sucked when we were odds on favorites after some splashy offseason purchases and then stunk up the place. I'd much rather it be more like last year (with a better ending of course)

What are you guys talking about, 18:1 is very respectful, we're the 3rd best odds out of the NFC. Their are other good teams with a lot higher odds like the Bucs, Jags, Falcons they are not great but they are all good playoff teams that are 30:1 odds, thats getting no respect. And if you ask me the Rams 50:1 is pretty much giving them no shot and I think with a healthy QB again they are a better team then a 50:1 odd. 18:1 doesn't mean we are the 18th best team in the league, it means we are a odds on favorite to represent the NFC in the Superbowl. The few teams that have better odds to go all they way, should be ahead of us. we're near the top of the food chain.

skinsRin wrote:What are you guys talking about, 18:1 is very respectful, we're the 3rd best odds out of the NFC.

Did you read the -first- post? Redskins -behind- Philthy, Pukes and G-Srings?

All I know we swept two of those team and we split with the third last season.

Redskin in Canada wrote:

skinsRin wrote:What are you guys talking about, 18:1 is very respectful, we're the 3rd best odds out of the NFC.

Did you read the -first- post? Redskins -behind- Philthy, Pukes and G-Srings?

All I know we swept two of those team and we split with the third last season.

None of that really matters going into a new season. Just like setting odds is a massive waste of time before mid-May.

Yes, I did and your right but that guy posted the wrong odds. I posted all the correct odds I got from a Vegas site. I'm sure you saw that we are acctually favored better then those teams.

Thats great 20-1 X $20.00 = $400.00. That will be the easiest $380 profit I'll ever make.

It would be more fitting if the sports entertainment bobbleheads were picking the Redskins to go 4-12 again.

Just remember SB 17. The sports entermainment media insisted that the AFC chamionship game -- Miami / Jets in the Mud Bowl -- was the real SB. After beating Dallas, the Redskins were supposed to be nothing more than "dessert" for the AFC winner.

Odds per espn, http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2322228 as of feb 6. I realize these are not the official betting odds, but they do represent the media's favorites.

Indianapolis Colts 4/1
Seattle Seahawks 5/1
New England Patriots 4/1
Carolina Panthers 6/1
Pittsburgh Steelers 6/1
Dallas Cowboys 10/1
San Diego Chargers 10/1
Denver Broncos 10/1
New York Giants 15/1
Chicago Bears 15/1
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 15/1
Cincinnati Bengals 18/1
Philadelphia Eagles 20/1
Washington Redskins 20/1
Miami Dolphins 20/1
Jacksonville Jaguars 22/1
Kansas City Chiefs 22/1
Atlanta Falcons 25/1
Minnesota Vikings 25/1
Green Bay Packers 35/1
Baltimore Ravens 40/1
Cleveland Browns 50/1
St. Louis Rams 50/1
Buffalo Bills 50/1
Oakland Raiders 60/1
Arizona Cardinals 60/1
Detroit Lions 50/1
Houston Texans 75/1
New Orleans Saints 75/1
San Francisco 49ers 100/1
Tennessee Titans 100/1
New York Jets 100/1

We have two huge questions on offense:
Can we find a WR who can pull in 60 plus catches to take the pressure off Moss. If or when Brunell gets hurt or wears out, will Campbell be ready (assuming Ramsey leaves)? Without answers to the above, the money guys have got to rate us low.

crazyhorse1 wrote:We have two huge questions on offense:
Can we find a WR who can pull in 60 plus catches to take the pressure off Moss. If or when Brunell gets hurt or wears out, will Campbell be ready (assuming Ramsey leaves)? Without answers to the above, the money guys have got to rate us low.

Patten has shown that he'll draw some attention from Moss but he failed to contribute anything more than that.

We can get by without an upgrade at the WR position but DE is a priority.

skinzrule wrote:
Indianapolis Colts 4/1
Seattle Seahawks 5/1
New England Patriots 4/1
Carolina Panthers 6/1
Pittsburgh Steelers 6/1
Dallas Cowboys 10/1
San Diego Chargers 10/1
Denver Broncos 10/1
New York Giants 15/1
Chicago Bears 15/1
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 15/1
Cincinnati Bengals 18/1
Philadelphia Eagles 20/1
Washington Redskins 20/1
Miami Dolphins 20/1
Jacksonville Jaguars 22/1
Kansas City Chiefs 22/1
Atlanta Falcons 25/1
Minnesota Vikings 25/1
Green Bay Packers 35/1
Baltimore Ravens 40/1
Cleveland Browns 50/1
St. Louis Rams 50/1
Buffalo Bills 50/1
Oakland Raiders 60/1
Arizona Cardinals 60/1
Detroit Lions 50/1
Houston Texans 75/1
New Orleans Saints 75/1
San Francisco 49ers 100/1
Tennessee Titans 100/1
New York Jets 100/1

Is there any way to bet against Dallas in this system? I have a feeling that I'd really like my odds. . .

FanfromAnnapolis wrote:

skinzrule wrote:
Indianapolis Colts 4/1
Seattle Seahawks 5/1
New England Patriots 4/1
Carolina Panthers 6/1
Pittsburgh Steelers 6/1
Dallas Cowboys 10/1
San Diego Chargers 10/1
Denver Broncos 10/1
New York Giants 15/1
Chicago Bears 15/1
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 15/1
Cincinnati Bengals 18/1
Philadelphia Eagles 20/1
Washington Redskins 20/1
Miami Dolphins 20/1
Jacksonville Jaguars 22/1
Kansas City Chiefs 22/1
Atlanta Falcons 25/1
Minnesota Vikings 25/1
Green Bay Packers 35/1
Baltimore Ravens 40/1
Cleveland Browns 50/1
St. Louis Rams 50/1
Buffalo Bills 50/1
Oakland Raiders 60/1
Arizona Cardinals 60/1
Detroit Lions 50/1
Houston Texans 75/1
New Orleans Saints 75/1
San Francisco 49ers 100/1
Tennessee Titans 100/1
New York Jets 100/1

Is there any way to bet against Dallas in this system? I have a feeling that I'd really like my odds. . .

Yeah ... if you want to win ONE dollar bet ELEVEN.

Isn't hatin' Dallas great?!

Yeah ... if you want to win ONE dollar bet ELEVEN.

Isn't hatin' Dallas great?!

Honestly those odds are not bad. I'd consider it a 9% interest rate on an investment if I placed my bet today.


And yes, hating Dallas isn't too bad these days, is it?


10 to 1? They think that (at least, right now), Dallas is the 3rd most likely NFC team to win it all. They'll have to make the playoffs first to even have a chance at this. . .

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

crazyhorse1 wrote:We have two huge questions on offense:
Can we find a WR who can pull in 60 plus catches to take the pressure off Moss. If or when Brunell gets hurt or wears out, will Campbell be ready (assuming Ramsey leaves)? Without answers to the above, the money guys have got to rate us low.

Patten has shown that he'll draw some attention from Moss but he failed to contribute anything more than that.

We can get by without an upgrade at the WR position but DE is a priority.

Chris, I don't recall Patten getting more attention than Taylor or Thrash or anyone else. Do you recall his being double teamed? How often? If he's not being double teamed and not contributing by catching passes, how is he better than any other half way competent journeyman?
I disagree with you, respectively. I rather have Gardner back than continue with Patten, Taylor, Thrash.
Also, Daniels had a fine season last year. Big surprise, I know, but maybe he'll do it again.

Chris, I don't recall Patten getting more attention than Taylor or Thrash or anyone else. Do you recall his being double teamed? How often? If he's not being double teamed and not contributing by catching passes, how is he better than any other half way competent journeyman?
I disagree with you, respectively. I rather have Gardner back than continue with Patten, Taylor, Thrash.
Also, Daniels had a fine season last year. Big surprise, I know, but maybe he'll do it again.

While I don't recall Patten doing anything memerable this past season, it is worth noting that around the time he went down with injury is around the time we began having problems with our passing game. While people were doubling Moss before Patton's injury, they were getting the ball out to him more consistantly and was taking pressure off of Moss.

Once Thrach was in the mix, there wasn't much left to the imagination. I love James Thrash for his work ethic, smarts and guts, but the boy just isn't a phyisically gifted reciever. If it's fourth and ten, he's the guy you trust to run an eleven yard route but not the guy you trust to be open.

A better second WR is not unwarrented and having Patten as a slot and Thrash as a fourth and leading special teams, that would be nice to have. A good second reciever? Someone like Jerry Porter who doesn't hog the attention but can still make plays quietly (except when Collins was throwing the ball as he did last year).

last years ending was still prety nice though