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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 2:07 pm
by rick301
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01621.html

A Fit for Redskins' Needs at No. 2 -- and Elsewhere

By Michael Wilbon
Wednesday, February 1, 2006; E08



DETROIT He's at the top of quite a few wish lists, a 26-year-old free agent critical to the success of a Super Bowl team. No doubt, the Chicago Bears want Antwaan Randle El to come home. The Washington Redskins haven't said publicly they want him, but they don't have to. Of the players out there who fit the description of number two wide receiver, at the top of the list there's the Colts' Reggie Wayne and the Steelers' Randle El. And while Wayne is more prolific as a pass catcher, no wide receiver out there, not even his Pittsburgh teammate Hines Ward, can claim to be more versatile than Randle El.

He averages 15.9 yards per reception on a team that traditionally doesn't like to throw much. He has run the ball from scrimmage, mostly on reverse and end-around plays, for a career average of 5.9 per carry. He has returned four punts for touchdowns. And the former Indiana University quarterback has completed 14 of 16 career passes -- 87.5 percent -- for two touchdowns and no interceptions. He has taken the position the Steelers popularized -- "Slash" -- to new levels. And if the Steelers can't or don't want to pay Randle El, somebody will.

The Redskins might not be able to pull off signing him because of the salary cap, but then again, Daniel Snyder has been fairly creative and quite insistent when he wants a player. While the Pittsburgh coaches are more creative offensively and more willing than most to welcome college quarterbacks who can play wide receiver and virtually anywhere else on the field (Kordell Stewart, Ward and now Randle El), one would think that the new offensive boss, Al Saunders, could figure out what to do with a quadruple threat. Is it a stretch to think that Randle El is the piece that could dramatically improve the Redskins' offense?

As you might expect, Randle El, being just a little busy this week, isn't ready to sit down and share his plans for free agency. "The free agency stuff, we're kind of going to have to leave alone," he said Tuesday. "Anyway, I have no idea."

But he's not unaware. He knows there are going to be suitors, including one that plays in Chicago, the town in which he grew up. "It's flattering in a way," he said. "And I do know about the buzz in the city over the possibility. But . . . "

When coaches and players talk about an X-factor in games like these, they're talking about players with unique abilities, which is what Randle El has both physically and mentally. The word "versatile" is inadequate to describe what he can do. Making the transition from college quarterback to professional wide receiver was mostly seamless even though he speaks of the difficulties. Like Ward, who assisted in that transition, Randle El knows all the positions on offense and can anticipate what defenders are thinking.

"As a quarterback going to receiver," he said, "you realize how long a quarterback can reasonably hold on to the football. You know he's waiting and you don't want to leave him hanging out there to dry, so there's more of a sense of urgency about running your routes."

By this time, after four years in the NFL, he and Ward can read coverages as a quarterback or as a receiver. Asked if had his choice of scoring on a pass reception, run or throw, Randle El jokingly said: "Why would you want to limit me? I can do all three! Catch one, run one, throw one, maybe return a punt for one. That would be four."

But Randle El also brings other athletic instincts, sensibilities and experiences to the table. He was drafted by the Chicago Cubs to play baseball and played basketball at Indiana as well as football. "When I went to IU," he said, "I'd been drafted by the Cubs, I had a football scholarship and I wanted to play basketball. I wanted to play for Coach [Bobby] Knight. But I prayed about what to do. I put it in God's hands. This road seems to be the best platform for me." A slightly lesser authority, Michael Jordan, once told the kid that he'd prosper regardless, but to go where his heart led him.

When it became clear at the Senior Bowl and in workouts for teams that he could be a contributing wide receiver, Randle El decided he wouldn't insist on playing quarterback. But it was difficult to go from being on the field and handling every snap to being uninvolved if the ball wasn't thrown his way, which it usually isn't. "That was hard," he said, "but playing a backup role is even harder. That's one of the reasons I wanted to return punts and kicks. I wanted to get involved in every way I can."

That's especially useful for a second wide receiver (he was third when Plaxico Burress was in Pittsburgh) on a run-first team. Randle El caught five passes in a game only once this season, and just 35 in 16 games, 15 of which he started. But he also rushed 12 times for 73 yards, returned one kick and 44 punts, three of them for 70 yards or longer. This season, he completed all three of his pass attempts, one for a 51-yard touchdown.

He and Ward take exception to the "jack of all trades, master of none" description that gets hung on both of them. "I don't like the phrase 'trick plays,' either," Randle El said. "You guys call it that, but they're just plays. When run properly, they're plays that work."

The question for Sunday will be how successfully the Steelers coaches can incorporate Randle El's skills into a game plan to counter a Seahawks defense that's smallish and fast and led the NFL in sacks. The question beyond that will be whether the Steelers decide to come up with big money to keep Randle El, something the team doesn't often do; the Steelers count on, much to their scouts' credit, finding young and inexpensive players who can be coached to do things fairly quickly out of college. If the Steelers bet that way again, some team is going to find itself with a unique talent who initially will be described as "receiver" but in reality will be infinitely more valuable than that.

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 2:17 pm
by fan4life28
Love to have him, but the fact is, he's too expensive. With our cap situation, not gonna happen. (besides, he'll prolly go to chicago)

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 2:21 pm
by rick301
As alluded to in the article, what Dan wants, Dan usually finds a way to get ...

I agree that this is not real likely ... but I like the idea!

Maybe we should be looking for a QB to play WR ... convert Patrick? :lol:

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 2:43 pm
by riggofan
I think Randle El will stay with Pittsburgh. I'd like to have him but I kinda hope he stays a Steeler.

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 3:02 pm
by USAFSkinFan
After the XL game his price is going to be even higher than Reggie Wayne... too high...

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 3:04 pm
by Redskins4Life
USAFSkinFan wrote:After the XL game his price is going to be even higher than Reggie Wayne... too high...


Are you serious? Randle El won't be paid close to what Wayne's getting. Antwaans a real possible option for us. Sure he won't come cheap but he's not gonna be breaking anybodys bank either.

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 3:05 pm
by Mursilis
fan4life28 wrote:Love to have him, but the fact is, he's too expensive. With our cap situation, not gonna happen. (besides, he'll prolly go to chicago)


That's pretty much it in a nutshell. Except I'd be surprised if Pitt. even lets him leave. If I were them, I'd want to keep him around - definitely a talent.

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 3:24 pm
by skinsRin
Wayne and EL are going to be expensive. I still think the Skins are gonna try to sign TO, so there will be no need for Wayne or EL.

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 3:29 pm
by SkinzCanes
We have no use for Randel El. He basically does the same types of things that Moss does. What we need is a bigger, possesion type receiver and not another speed guy....we have enough of those already.

Jason Avant

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:03 pm
by gspdark1
How about Jason Avant from Michigan? He's a prototype #2 possesion receiver. Big, good downfield blocker, physical.

Only negs about his is that he doesn't have breakaway speed and not very good on jump balls.

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:07 pm
by HailSkins94
I recall a similiar situation with the steelers a few years back when they were going to get Ramsey....The Colts plans are to resign Wayne and let James go so he's not going anywhere. He's far too expensive anyways

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:12 pm
by frankcal20
I agree. It is easier to find a RB than a good WR like Wayne.

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:47 pm
by kkryan
rick301 wrote:As alluded to in the article, what Dan wants, Dan usually finds a way to get ...

I agree that this is not real likely ... but I like the idea!

Maybe we should be looking for a QB to play WR ... convert Patrick? :lol:
No way that we get him because Gibbs will not pay him more than Moss and Randel EL will command a salary at least as large as Santanas.

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 6:18 pm
by air_hog
USAFSkinFan wrote:After the XL game his price is going to be even higher than Reggie Wayne... too high...


Well, depending how he does.

If he takes an endaround 50 yards, throws a 30 yard bomb, and catches 5 passes for 100 yards then we'll have no chance.

But if he only goes for like 2 catches for 30 yards and Hines Ward goes for like 10-150, then for somereason his stock will drop.

Either way, I don't see us landing him, although I love the idea of him being a Skin.

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 7:00 pm
by Ramsey's Hog
I would love to draft Avant. He was overshadowed at Michigan when Braylon Edwards was there, but he hardly ever dropped a pass. Lets be honest, anything whould be better than what we had at the end of the year.

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 7:54 pm
by air_hog
Well, if there is all this talk about drafting a Possesion WR high (but definately not with our first pick) then I think we shouls also take a look at Mike Haas of Oregon St. and Steve Smith of USC.

Haas may be gone by mid 3rd Round, but if he's there when we select in the 3rd or especially 4th I would love to get him.

And Steve Smith is very underatted. No he does not have break away speed or extreme size, but this guy gets the job done. I watched plenty of USC games this year, and I don't think I ever saw Smith drop a pass. Not to mention, this guy will take a hit over the middle which is very valuable on a 3rd and 5.

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 9:09 pm
by 28green28
As hailskins94 alluded to, Wayne is staying put. I read somewhere that they will let James go and use the franchise tag on Wayne. That means he'll be getting big bucks. Even if that rumor is going around, Wayne's price tag is too high for the skins.

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 10:04 pm
by air_hog
28green28 wrote:As hailskins94 alluded to, Wayne is staying put. I read somewhere that they will let James go and use the franchise tag on Wayne. That means he'll be getting big bucks. Even if that rumor is going around, Wayne's price tag is too high for the skins.


Yeah, that makes some sense, although I'm not so sure they'll Franchise Tag him.

What I think they'll do is re-sign Reggie Wayne to a long term contract, then draft a young stud RB (like Lawrence Maroney or someone) with their 1st Rounder.

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 10:33 pm
by gay4pacman
I guess I'm rooting against randle el this weekend.....we can sign him and i think he would be the multi dimensional addition that would put us over the top

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 10:38 pm
by tcwest10
air_hog wrote:If he takes an endaround 50 yards, throws a 30 yard bomb, and catches 5 passes for 100 yards then we'll have no chance.

But if he only goes for like 2 catches for 30 yards and Hines Ward goes for like 10-150, then for somereason his stock will drop.


http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/302217\

Wow. The word "versatile" has never been more of an understatement.
Air_Hog, I would hope that one game wouldn't cause a precipitous drop in Randle El's "stock". That would be incredible, to get a true "slash" at a lower price because of coverages and a power running game.

Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 5:02 pm
by EA7649
love the idea

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 5:18 pm
by DiRTyHoG3026
Ken wizzunhunt(sp?) loves randle el way too much. I watch all of the steelers games and he does at least two or three trick plays per game with him. Plus, I think he's gonna try to stay with pittsburgh, even if he gets less money. Why would he leave a situation where he's a lock for the playoffs and a super bowl contender every year?

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 6:47 pm
by gilbertarenas
DiRTyHoG3026 wrote:Ken wizzunhunt(sp?) loves randle el way too much. I watch all of the steelers games and he does at least two or three trick plays per game with him. Plus, I think he's gonna try to stay with pittsburgh, even if he gets less money. Why would he leave a situation where he's a lock for the playoffs and a super bowl contender every year?


The money... DUH!

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 10:29 pm
by Smithian
As I said in another topic...

Smithian wrote:I have been watching the Bucs, Eagle, and a few other games the last couple days and it hit me about something we could use.

I think we should draft a substandard QB with excellent speed in the second day and use them as a utility player and move him around on the offense from WR to QB to RB to take some of the pressure off Moss to produce all the explosion plays. He wouldn't need to be that great at any position, but just have the ability to get a good 10-15 yard play here and there.

I think a good player for this role would be a Brad Smith type in the third round if he slips because of his eratic passing.

I think the best example of this would be a Kordell Stewart or Antwaan Randle-El.

What do you all think?

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 11:27 pm
by air_hog
Smithian wrote:As I said in another topic...

Smithian wrote:I have been watching the Bucs, Eagle, and a few other games the last couple days and it hit me about something we could use.

I think we should draft a substandard QB with excellent speed in the second day and use them as a utility player and move him around on the offense from WR to QB to RB to take some of the pressure off Moss to produce all the explosion plays. He wouldn't need to be that great at any position, but just have the ability to get a good 10-15 yard play here and there.

I think a good player for this role would be a Brad Smith type in the third round if he slips because of his eratic passing.

I think the best example of this would be a Kordell Stewart or Antwaan Randle-El.

What do you all think?


No, that's too risky.

1) There is a better chance that the pick will be a bust rather than a success.

2) Unless it was a guy like Hester, I don't want some random former College QB (like Brad Smith or Michael Robinson) running a trick play as a rookie.

Plus, with Gibbs history of finding diamonds in the roughs of the later rounds, I don't want to waste like a 4th rounder on that, when we could draft someone good while providing depth at our much depth-needed positions (OL, TE, WR, DB, DLine, LB...)