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there's a washtimes article saying that we should hand the reigns over to jason campbell for next year,

your thoughts?

Do you have a link for the article?

I think we go into camp with Brunell as the starter, and Campbell as the number 2. He will have to play next year when Brunell is hurt or when we have a huge lead..that will give him the NFL game experience.

Then next year give it over to him. I have a hunch that Brunell can't go two straight 16 game seasons so he may be our starter at some point anyway.

vife wrote:there's a washtimes article saying that we should hand the reigns over to jason campbell for next year,

your thoughts?

huh, why don't we at least wait to training camp, and see if he can even compete with Brunell?

Ramsey's done though.

I think we will have an interesting off-season of speculation and rumors and innuendo at this position.

SO. CAL. SKIN DUDE wrote:..Ramsey's done though.

Sure! That's what we thought about Brunell last year, for lots of different reasons!
Like they say - it aint over till the fat lady sings...

I propose this scenario. Trade Ramsey to the Chiefs for Trent Green.

Trent only has a few good years left, so it makes sense for the Chiefs to try to get something for him. The Jets were one of the teams interested in trading for Ramsey this season, and Herm Edwards has now moved to the Chiefs. Plus with both Vermeil and Saunders gone, they're changing offenses. Better to start with a young QB for the future, then to invest more time in Trent Green.

Green could immediately upgrade the QB position next year, is familiar with the offense and works well with Al Saunders. That keeps the Skins competive for another year or two before giving way to Campbell. And Green seems to be a bit more resilient than Brunell.

AS the Guinness guys say: Brilliant!

yes

Like the Chiefs are so eager to jettison Green.

cvillehog wrote:Like the Chiefs are so eager to jettison Green.

Inside the Chiefs FO: "Hmmm, let's see, proven Pro Bowl caliber veteran who knows our offense and is a team leader for a guy who some Redskins fans think the world of and is prone to bad decisions under pressure ... what to do, what to do ... we'd be stupid not to make this trade ... heck, throw in Larry Johnson too!"

Green is 36 years old. He's not going to play forever. Make sense to get a young quarterback for him now.

Inside the Chiefs FO: "Hmmm, let's see, proven Pro Bowl caliber veteran who knows our offense and is a team leader for a guy who some Redskins fans think the world of and is prone to bad decisions under pressure ... what to do, what to do ... we'd be stupid not to make this trade ... heck, throw in Larry Johnson too!"

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It's not their offense anymore, they've changed coaching staffs. And the current KC staff (formerly the Jets) seemed to think pretty highly of Ramsey.

Hey, I'm not saying this is going to happen, but it would make sense for both teams.

Skeletor wrote:Green is 36 years old. He's not going to play forever. Make sense to get a young quarterback for him now.

Not really. It makes since to get a young QB to learn behind him and take over, but you don't trade a guy like that for an unproven kid.

In a year, they won't be able to get anything for Green.

And the NFL is full of examples of teams that jettisoned an aging star QB for a young guy (see Montana, Brunell, Bledsoe)

Ah well, when it happens you can all point to my genius...

Skeletor wrote:In a year, they won't be able to get anything for Green.

And the NFL is full of examples of teams that jettisoned an aging star QB for a young guy (see Montana, Brunell, Bledsoe)

Ah well, when it happens you can all point to my genius...

Those young guys were already on their team. Jacksonville didn't trade Brunell for Leftwich. New England didn't trade Bledsoe for Brady. San Fransico didn't trade Montana for Young. Kansas City will not trade Green for an unproven (some would say disproven) player.

The point being, all of those guys weren't proven. Leftwich had a handful of starts under his belt. And Young was somewhat of a wash-out with Tampa Bay. And Losman had one start before they traded away Bledsoe. (Brady had won the Super Bowl for the Pats, so I don't think that's a good example.) Ramsey has what 20 starts and was coveted by Herm Edwards this year.

In a year, Green will retire and the Chiefs will get nothing for him.

vife Hog,
Just saw the article:

Offense must keep improving
By Ryan O'Halloran

1. Hand Jason Campbell the keys — It won't happen, but why not? The Redskins went 10-6 in the regular season. Does anybody really expect a marked improvement — or even the status quo — with a 36-year old Mark Brunell at quarterback?
Gibbs said Monday he was confident Campbell would have played well this season had he been forced into the lineup. The Redskins should follow Cincinnati's example of two years ago when Carson Palmer sat his rookie season before the coaches handed him the job.
Campbell is the Redskins' future. The team should take a step back in 2006 so it can take a bigger step forward in 2007. The Redskins' best skill players — Moss (27 at the start of next season), Portis (25) and ey (24) — are young enough to afford a building season under Campbell, even if it means going 7-9 or 8-8 next season.

Here is the lnk:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/sports/2 ... -8518r.htm

THis was actually a pretty good article compared to the Times' usual 'Skins drivel. Most of the points are obvious. The only thing I don't agree with is giving Campbell the keys outright next season.

cvillehog wrote:Kansas City will not trade Green for an unproven (some would say disproven) player.

I'd definately go with Ramsey being disproven. This entire thought process is ludicrous -- Trent Green is pretty darn good for his age. I don't see Herm letting him go, especially not for flippin Ramsey.

"Campbell is the Redskins' future. The team should take a step back in 2006 so it can take a bigger step forward in 2007. The Redskins' best skill players — Moss (27 at the start of next season), Portis (25) and ey (24) — are young enough to afford a building season under Campbell, even if it means going 7-9 or 8-8 next season."

We are too close to take a step back. If Saunders can get this offense out of the gate and we get some early and easy blowout games where the score is 35-7 at the start of the 4th quarter, then we use that time to ease Campbell in.

If we don't start the season with Campbell as the starter, we have to do it that way to get him "live" reps.

AZHog wrote:

cvillehog wrote:Kansas City will not trade Green for an unproven (some would say disproven) player.

I'd definately go with Ramsey being disproven. This entire thought process is ludicrous -- Trent Green is pretty darn good for his age. I don't see Herm letting him go, especially not for flippin Ramsey.

That trade is ridiculous. Ramsey won't fetch more than a mid round pick. Nobody would trade Green for Ramsey straight up.

Herm Edwards definitely will not. He has had enough bad luck with his QB's and Pennington was from the MAC just like Ramsey.

Edwards has been through like 5 QBs in the past 2 years, no way he trades Green.

They have a draft and free agency to accomplish what this poster is proposing

The Hogster wrote:

AZHog wrote:

cvillehog wrote:Kansas City will not trade Green for an unproven (some would say disproven) player.

I'd definately go with Ramsey being disproven. This entire thought process is ludicrous -- Trent Green is pretty darn good for his age. I don't see Herm letting him go, especially not for flippin Ramsey.

That trade is ridiculous. Ramsey won't fetch more than a mid round pick. Nobody would trade Green for Ramsey straight up.

Herm Edwards definitely will not. He has had enough bad luck with his QB's and Pennington was from the MAC just like Ramsey.

Edwards has been through like 5 QBs in the past 2 years, no way he trades Green.

They have a draft and free agency to accomplish what this poster is proposing

...That was all kind of my point...did I miss something?

nah, im just agreeing with you.

I love Sir. Patrick, but that makes no sense. The Chiefs doing that would be like the Jets giving up Santana Moss straight up for Laveranues Coles... it would be stupid and it'll never happen!!!

redskins56 wrote:I love Sir. Patrick, but that makes no sense. The Chiefs doing that would be like the Jets giving up Santana Moss straight up for Laveranues Coles... it would be stupid and it'll never happen!!!

Trent Green is old. We already have Brunell,Campbell and Ramsey.