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Looking forward, assuming Brunell isn't injured before the end of this season.

Some want to see Campbell now and thers say showcase Ramsey for draft picks.
This is not about that, this is about 2006.

Who'll be the Startung QB in 06'...
Will it be Mark, Patrick, Jason or someone of your choosing and ...

Why?
Why do you think your pick will be the starter.
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Here's my pick and why.

I have to go with Brunell for next year because unless he reverts back to 2004 he'll still us the best chance to win.

Campbell will move up to #2 and get lots of playing time in the pre-season.

Ramsey will be traded for a 2nd or 3rd rounder right after the season ends

Mark won't be depended on to get us through tha hold season but just long enough for Jason to step in and lead the team.

The #3 spot I'm not sure about... Gibbs could get someone late in the draft or bring in a young free agent but none come to reason

I agree...except I feel we've got a chance at retaining Ramsey. I don't see the interest level being there to give up a 2nd rounder and unless he requests it, don't see us trading him for anything less.

I say Brunell starts for like the first couple of games, and unless we start off like 5-0, then I say JC comes in.

Can't tell yet, but if Brunell is healthy, I think he starts and goes as long as he's healthy or the team has a chance.

If Ramsey is here then he is still the #2.

I think JC doesn't take over till 07 which would be a good move. Best case scenario is that we trade Ramsey for value, and JC gets some action next season in relief of Brunell (minor injury I just can't see brunell going 2 16 game seasons) so if JC gets 3 or 4 games next year, that will help prepare him to take over the reigns in year 3...lead us to the Superbowl for a great story and Gibbs leaves us like he did in 1991, A Champion.

I'm going to say Brunell, but it's too early to think about that. We are still in the season and need these critical games!

Aren't Brunell's cap numbers after this season horrendous? I'm not sure about this but a lot depends on that. I'd say that if he's willing to take a pay cut he's still their man. Otherwise, they'd have to go with Ramsey - There's no way that Gibbs will start Campbell at just the start of his second season (and I'd argue that he's probably right in doing so).

Phillip Rivers umm I mean...Mark Brunell

Firts we have to get through this season befire talking next year. No hope?

I have a feeling its going to be someone else entirly different, a Free Agent Signing or trade of some sort!

Itll be Brunell next year barring any injuries.I think Ramseys time is up. He may still be here if he doesnt ask for a trade but I think Gibbs brought JC here for a reason.

Brunell, easily.

1niksder wrote:Mark won't be depended on to get us through tha hold season but just long enough for Jason to step in and lead the team.

i don't think any coach plans to switch QBs midseason, even in the case of grooming the young QB. here is why:

if the opening day starter is winning, why would you want to switch? the coach would only plan to switch QBs if he knew the opening day starter would be ineffective and not win. but then why would he play him in the 1st place? may as well just play the young guy and let him take his lumps then.

i think there has to be a choice between "the present" and "the future".

die cowboys die wrote:

1niksder wrote:Mark won't be depended on to get us through tha hold season but just long enough for Jason to step in and lead the team.

i don't think any coach plans to switch QBs midseason, even in the case of grooming the young QB. here is why:

if the opening day starter is winning, why would you want to switch? the coach would only plan to switch QBs if he knew the opening day starter would be ineffective and not win. but then why would he play him in the 1st place? may as well just play the young guy and let him take his lumps then.

i think there has to be a choice between "the present" and "the future".

That's just my opinion..... What's yours?

The thread starter wrote:Who'll be the Startung QB in 06'...
Will it be Mark, Patrick, Jason or someone of your choosing and ...

Why?
Why do you think your pick will be the starter.

Comment on everyone else's opinion without puting your own out there.
Not that I disagree with what you are saying about my opinion, but where do you stand on the poll question and why.

Brunell will be the starter again in 06, fitness permitting. The only way that wouldn't happen is if he really stinks over the last 5 (or is that 8?) games of 2005, and Campbell really plays well in camp and preseason next year.

Campbell should be far enough along to be the number 2 man next year - I don't see a first round draft pick being 3rd on the depth chart in his second year.

Ramsey has had his chance, athough he and his supporters would have a case in arguing that it wasn't much of a chance. In the old days, Gibbs might have kept him around, but if there's any value to be had in trading him, they have to take it.

That leaves the skins to draft a guy to be number 3, or pick up a young free agent.

Brunell should still be our best chance to win next year, and I think that takes priority over giving Campbell experience. I'd love to see Campbell go out and win the starting job though, but I just don't see him showing Gibbs enough to bench Brunell next year. Of course, Brunell might return to the same form that saw him benched last year, but I think we can all now see that that was down to injuries as much as anything else.

So, as I said right at the start, Brunell will be the man, fitness permitting.

1niksder wrote:

die cowboys die wrote:

1niksder wrote:Mark won't be depended on to get us through tha hold season but just long enough for Jason to step in and lead the team.

i don't think any coach plans to switch QBs midseason, even in the case of grooming the young QB. here is why:

if the opening day starter is winning, why would you want to switch? the coach would only plan to switch QBs if he knew the opening day starter would be ineffective and not win. but then why would he play him in the 1st place? may as well just play the young guy and let him take his lumps then.

i think there has to be a choice between "the present" and "the future".

That's just my opinion..... What's yours?

The thread starter wrote:Who'll be the Startung QB in 06'...
Will it be Mark, Patrick, Jason or someone of your choosing and ...

Why?
Why do you think your pick will be the starter.

Comment on everyone else's opinion without puting your own out there.
Not that I disagree with what you are saying about my opinion, but where do you stand on the poll question and why.

sorry 1niksder, i see where you are coming from, i didn't mean it as a criticism.

i would have to say my opinion is that we should go ahead and start moving toward the future, and play one of the younger QBs next year (presumably campbell, but who knows what gibbs has planned for ramsey).

i feel like if we start brunell next year, the best we can expect is a repeat performance of this year (starting out great, waning to "decent" as the season progresses). now by no means am i bashing brunell, it's not like he's out there losing games for us. but he isn't winning them either, so why not at least take a shot with someone who might be able to turn into a playmaker?

a good analogy i heard was comparing this with carson palmer in cincy. john kitna surprisingly had a pretty good year, causing people to wonder if they should just stick with him, instead of putting the kid in to take his lumps. they went with palmer anyway, he took his lumps, and now he's really helping to turn that team around. it was the right thing to do to sacrifice the short-term in order to bring long-term success. given, campbell wasn't the 1st overall pick in the draft, or a heisman winner like palmer. but obviously our staff thought he had a great future in this league, to trade so much to get him.

if i thought brunell could win us the superbowl next year, i would say we should definitely go with him. but does anyone here really believe that? what he is best suited for after this year is to be a really great backup.

i would have to say my opinion is that we should go ahead and start moving toward the future, and play one of the younger QBs next year (presumably campbell, but who knows what gibbs has planned for ramsey).

i feel like if we start brunell next year, the best we can expect is a repeat performance of this year (starting out great, waning to "decent" as the season progresses). now by no means am i bashing brunell, it's not like he's out there losing games for us. but he isn't winning them either, so why not at least take a shot with someone who might be able to turn into a playmaker?

a good analogy i heard was comparing this with carson palmer in cincy. john kitna surprisingly had a pretty good year, causing people to wonder if they should just stick with him, instead of putting the kid in to take his lumps. they went with palmer anyway, he took his lumps, and now he's really helping to turn that team around. it was the right thing to do to sacrifice the short-term in order to bring long-term success. given, campbell wasn't the 1st overall pick in the draft, or a heisman winner like palmer. but obviously our staff thought he had a great future in this league, to trade so much to get him.

if i thought brunell could win us the superbowl next year, i would say we should definitely go with him. but does anyone here really believe that? what he is best suited for after this year is to be a really great backup.

I agree with this 100%. Brunell gives us a chance to be solid at best next year. It's nothing against him but as we've seen this year he is simply too old to be able to play at a high level for an entire season. Sure it likely wont be pretty in Campbell's first year but he is going to have to take him lumps at some point. Palmer and Eli both took their's last year and are playing at a high level this year. If Brunell starts next year we have a shot at the playoffs, but even if we get there we likely wont get too far. Under that scenario Campbell would then take over for the 2007 season, with the result likely being that we miss the playoffs with a first time starter at qb. So by starting Brunell next year we are in essence holding this team back a year. Start #17, let him take him lumps. It's the only way that he'll learn.

Why does so many believe JC is going to be the answer at QB? I'm not saying he isn't, but prior to his final year at Auburn he was not very good. His senior season he had two great backs (1st round picks) and a great all around team. The end of his junior season he was not considered a canidate for the draft. I believe it takes at least two seasons of play (good) before you get a sense of how good a QB is going to be. Having said all this I believe he has the potential to be a starting NFL QB, but he is still a project.

Riggins85 wrote:Why does so many believe JC is going to be the answer at QB? I'm not saying he isn't, but prior to his final year at Auburn he was not very good. His senior season he had two great backs (1st round picks) and a great all around team. The end of his junior season he was not considered a canidate for the draft. I believe it takes at least two seasons of play (good) before you get a sense of how good a QB is going to be. Having said all this I believe he has the potential to be a starting NFL QB, but he is still a project.

Again no opinion offered, but very good input.
Campbell time at AU was more or less like what Ramsey as been through here. Seemed like a different OC every year, but once he got with one that understood his capabilities and limitations his numbers improved and the team never lost. What more would you want from your QB? Is he ready for the NFL we don't know. Gibbs obviously doesn't think so at this time bur with more coaching and prep well see what Joe saw in him.

As far as the believer in JC well most look at what it ttok to get him. The sad thing is most will call him a bust after his first int. ( it's the price you pay when your team pays a high price to get you).

BTW: Who do YOU think will be starting in 2006

Brunell will probably be a cap casualty on '06, so it's tough to call at this point. I'd have to think Ramsey will still be here as his cap number is small and by now he knows the offense inside and out, and at this point he has no trade value. JC probably won't see the field for a couple of years. The off-season should be very interesting.

1fan4ramsey wrote:Brunell will probably be a cap casualty on '06, so it's tough to call at this point. I'd have to think Ramsey will still be here as his cap number is small and by now he knows the offense inside and out, and at this point he has no trade value. JC probably won't see the field for a couple of years. The off-season should be very interesting.

We'll hold on to him for another year because of the cap. His cap hit is $5.4M If he is released we'd carry $5.7M in Dead cap space. In 2007 releasing him would save $2.3 M.

i taped the denver/KC game and am watching it now. one thing that stands out bright as day:

we need a real quarterback.

something else:

we need a real NFL offense.

these guys are throwing it downfield, on target, nice tight passes picking up 15, 25, 35, 50 yards at a time (and i mean, the ball in the damn AIR for that distance). we don't do ANY of this! i don't understand it. i'm not pleading for every 3rd pass to be a 60 yard bomb, but for crying out loud, can't we put a few 15-30 yard patterns in there???

brunell's arm has worn out, he can't make these throws anymore even when if the routes were there. many fans who are at the games and can see the whole field continually comment that guys are open and brunell chooses the dink passes instead. whatever the issue there is, i am now 100% convinced that we MUST go with one of the young guys next year, NOT brunell. brunell ranges from sort of bad to pretty good. that is not good enough! WE NEED A REAL QB IN 2006.

for now we should ride it out with brunell though, of course (unless we lose-- as soon as that happens, time to switch).