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I was reviewing some of the cap impacts of the contracts for LA, Samuels, Marcus Washington, Walt Harris, etc., and it looks like we are going to have to cut some of them to get under the cap. Else, we cannot sign anyone or draft anyone.

If the above is true, I see that we are going to have to rebuild the team, again! Can anyone provide some conforting thoughts? Or, do I need to wait antoher three years before I see a winning team on the field?

I don't believe that the salary cap for next year has been determined yet. isn't it based in part on league revenue, including tv contracts which were just renegotiated?

I used to be concerned with our cap situation next year as well. However, I believe that we have a good group of "core" guys here who love playing for the Redskins and Joe Gibbs. Guys like Renaldo Wynn, Mark Brunell, Jon Jansen, Shawn Springs, Clinton Portis, Chris Samuels, Santana Moss, Marcus Washington and even LaVar Arrington. The list goes on and on actually. Therefore, I think IF we are in trouble with the cap these guys will come in and work with the team to restructure their contracts. I also think these guys will help out even if we are not in major cap trouble to give us some room to bring in a piece or two via free agency. In fact, several guys restructured last season and really helped the team out. Sacrificing yourself for the team is what it is all about, and I think we have some guys who are really buying into that philosophy.

BTW, Did you guys here about the team meeting that took place this week?

Renaldo Wynn!?!?

I hate that guy! He sucks. He gets no push/pass rush off the line!

air_hog wrote:Renaldo Wynn!?!?

I hate that guy! He sucks. He gets no push/pass rush off the line!

Yeah so thats why teams dont run on his side. Wynn is great against the run.

He is one of the leaders of our team and a great guy. I know he isn't in the prime of his career or a dominant force on the field, but you have to respect the man's leadership and passion for the game. Like ejay pointed out, he is an excellant run stuffer on 1st and 2nd downs on top of that.

Wyn is decent in Madden. This team is in trouble and I think we're going to be stilfed by Dannys splurges.

BigPig wrote:I was reviewing some of the cap impacts of the contracts for LA, Samuels, Marcus Washington, Walt Harris, etc., and it looks like we are going to have to cut some of them to get under the cap. Else, we cannot sign anyone or draft anyone.

If the above is true, I see that we are going to have to rebuild the team, again! Can anyone provide some conforting thoughts? Or, do I need to wait antoher three years before I see a winning team on the field?

We can’t just cut or trade players without paying a price…
LaVar Arrington’s cap hit next year will be $12,046,000 if he’s cut or traded it would be $ 12,846,000 that’s a $800K savings but is it worth it….
Chris Samuels’s numbers look something like this $10,218,000 if he stays or $9,932,000 to move him….
Marcus Washington staying will cost $5,167,000 but if he left we’d still take a hit of $4,667,000….
Now Walt Harris on the other hand not only has been pissing me of but he’ll save us $2,000,000 if he is not here next year.

Players that would save cap space without hurt the team would be players like
Harris, cutting him saves cap space but doesn’t weaken the team. LaVar and Marcus wouldn’t be as replaceable as Walt.

We are close to $105 million right now for 2006 plus $3.5 million in dead cap space so something must be done and there is no need to panic. The Skins are reported to be in Cap Hell every mid-season but still seems to go out and get what they perceived to be needed. I say perceived because I guess the F.O. hasn’t perceived a need for a pass rushing DE but I am straying…

The salary cap will always go up, as long as league revenue continues to increase. This year it was a little more than $86 million. Revenue is expected to take a jump because of the mentioned Network and Cable deals that were signed.

Lets say the Cap goes up about 10% and is around $95 million. We have about a million in Cap space in 2005 that can be used to lighten the load in 2006. Next thing to do is redo some contracts. Guys like Sellers, Dockery, Jacobs, and Thrash could sign short term extentions and others like ey, Boschetti, and Molinaro could get longer deals. Now we can look at who we can let go without taking a step back.
As I said Harris saves $2M in cap space, he is a ok 3 corner but $2,000,000.
Next up we ship Ramsey somewhere for something (pass-rushing DE) and save about $ 2.2M
The season will be over so we can get rid of ALL of the kickers… Tupa and Hall together will free up another $1.8M after you throw in Frost and the kicking game will have produced $2,241,000
Injury prone players can find other training rooms to hang out in… Releasing Matt Bowen would save $2M next year, Brandon Noble shaves off another $1.7M

Let’s see I came up with 7 players That I can see not being here and the save a total of $10,141,000 without re-doing any contracts. Whatever the Salary cap number comes out to be the Redskins will not be in as tight of a bind as many predict (every year).

Wow, great break down. Thanks a lot.

Good breakdown, but we can't cut Tupa and Frost..we won't save much because we still would have to sign a punter. Good punters are not too easy to come by. Walt Harris should not only be cut, but he should send every Redskins fan 1 dollar for having to watch him get burned for the past 2 seasons.

Walt should be done coming in the off-season -- at least I think. Here's to hoping Jimoh finds a new home, too!

The Hogster wrote:Good breakdown, but we can't cut Tupa and Frost..we won't save much because we still would have to sign a punter. Good punters are not too easy to come by.

We've got one on and of IR and one that Joey T could out kick. We need to find a GOOD punter

bye walt

1niksder wrote:

The Hogster wrote:Good breakdown, but we can't cut Tupa and Frost..we won't save much because we still would have to sign a punter. Good punters are not too easy to come by.

We've got one on and of IR and one that Joey T could out kick. We need to find a GOOD punter

You don't like Tupa? His injury really hurt us....I don't see how he and john hall, two of the least contacted players on the roster can miss more games than our running backs, lineman and linebackers.

The Hogster wrote:Good breakdown, but we can't cut Tupa and Frost..we won't save much because we still would have to sign a punter. Good punters are not too easy to come by. Walt Harris should not only be cut, but he should send every Redskins fan 1 dollar for having to watch him get burned for the past 2 seasons.

Sure you can! You draft a punter in round 6 or 7, or pickup a rookie FA. Then you sign them to a rookie minimum contract.

sch1977 wrote:

The Hogster wrote:Good breakdown, but we can't cut Tupa and Frost..we won't save much because we still would have to sign a punter. Good punters are not too easy to come by. Walt Harris should not only be cut, but he should send every Redskins fan 1 dollar for having to watch him get burned for the past 2 seasons.

Sure you can! You draft a punter in round 6 or 7, or pickup a rookie FA. Then you sign them to a rookie minimum contract.

Since when did having a rookie punter qualify as having a "good punter"...check the stats...the same guys have their name at the top of the list year end and year out. You don't draft punters like that to replace vets, thats why they stay in the league for 15-20 years..just aren't alot of guys who can hang the ball up for 5 seconds and kick it 45 yds with accuracy.

The Hogster wrote:

sch1977 wrote:

The Hogster wrote:Good breakdown, but we can't cut Tupa and Frost..we won't save much because we still would have to sign a punter. Good punters are not too easy to come by. Walt Harris should not only be cut, but he should send every Redskins fan 1 dollar for having to watch him get burned for the past 2 seasons.

Sure you can! You draft a punter in round 6 or 7, or pickup a rookie FA. Then you sign them to a rookie minimum contract.

Since when did having a rookie punter qualify as having a "good punter"...check the stats...the same guys have their name at the top of the list year end and year out. You don't draft punters like that to replace vets, thats why they stay in the league for 15-20 years..just aren't alot of guys who can hang the ball up for 5 seconds and kick it 45 yds with accuracy.

Hogster you make a very good point however Like you said in a earlier post our best kickers are inactive as often as they are active. A healthy Hall and Tupa would be a perfect fit but has it stands we have to hope to find Novaks and Frosts by mid-season every year

Yeah Tupa is critical. I think Hall is definitely expendable, too bad Novak got signed by the Cards today, but hopefull we can bring him back next year and cut ties with Hall.

portis26 wrote:I used to be concerned with our cap situation next year as well. However, I believe that we have a good group of "core" guys here who love playing for the Redskins and Joe Gibbs. Guys like Renaldo Wynn, Mark Brunell, Jon Jansen, Shawn Springs, Clinton Portis, Chris Samuels, Santana Moss, Marcus Washington and even LaVar Arrington. The list goes on and on actually. Therefore, I think IF we are in trouble with the cap these guys will come in and work with the team to restructure their contracts. I also think these guys will help out even if we are not in major cap trouble to give us some room to bring in a piece or two via free agency. In fact, several guys restructured last season and really helped the team out. Sacrificing yourself for the team is what it is all about, and I think we have some guys who are really buying into that philosophy.

BTW, Did you guys here about the team meeting that took place this week?

This year the Cap was a little more than $86M. This time last year, the Redskins had a projected cap of about $105 million for 2005 (about the same it is projected at now) and yet were able to sign Rabach, Patten, and some Vets to play special teams. We took the cap hit of 9 million for Coles and then signed Moss to a nice deal. In the 1st rd we drafted Rogers and Campbell. and
We came in under the cap …


From what I’ve heard the CBA does affect 2006 in one way …If it’s signed before (I believe) March 1st then contract language in some players contracts allows “the Danny” and other contract negotiators to pro rate some roster bonuses and spread them over the remaining years of their contracts, but if not signed by then we won’t be able to do it. The following players could be affected to save cap space…
Arrington’s $12m becomes $7m after the roster bonus is pro-rated to save $5m
Samuels’s $10m drops to $7m after the roster bonus is pro-rated brings the relief number up to $8m in savings
Springs’s $5.8m drops to $3.55m after the roster bonus is pro-rated kicking in a saving of $2.25m
Washington’s $5m falls to $3.3m after the roster bonus is pro-rated that’s another $1.7m and a running total of about $12m off the projected cap
Portis’s $5.4m becomes $3.2m and saves about the same as Springs
Griffin’s $4.4m drops to $3m for a total of about $16,000,000 in cap relief

“the Danny” may have been counting on this and should it happen not only will it benefit the teams but players like Jansen, Brunell, Thomas, Daniels, Moss, and Taylor could get new deals with current cap money being pushed beyond the 2007 season. Not knowing what savings these deals might bring – I’ll just leave it out there for info purposes

My previous post show how releasing 7 players saved about $10m. On second thought leaving the veteran kickers on the roster until replacements are found would hurt but it lowers the possible saving from the previous post down to a little over $ 8m. So if Roster bonuses can be pro rated beyond the 2006 (the last capped year) we maybe ahead in the game fornext year.

We will go into next year with a lot less Dead money on the cap (we are finally done with Trotter )

Dead Bonus Money on 2005 Cap
WR Laveranues Coles $9,286
LB Jeremiah Trotter $4,648
DE Regan Upshaw $1,200
WR Rod Gardner $1,110
G Dave Fiore $750
WR Darnerian McCants $667
RB Chad Morton $500
LB Michael Barrow $417
DT Jermaine Haley $325
TE Walter Rasby $267
CB Ralph Brown $125
OL Vaughn Parker $75
LB Robert McCune $42
OL Mark Wilson $39
LB Jared Newberry $27
LB Brian Allen $25
Other $40
Total $ 19,542

Dead Bonus Money on 2006 Cap

LB Michael Barrow $1,667
RB Chad Morton $1,000
WR Darnerian McCants $667
LB Robert McCune $83
LB Jared Newberry $53
OL Mark Wilson $39
Other $11
Total $ 3,520

2006 NFL free agents

great info

air_hog wrote:Renaldo Wynn!?!?

I hate that guy! He sucks. He gets no push/pass rush off the line!

Ur are a moron....Wynn is a run stopper not a Rush guy.

dcsportsfan5 wrote:

air_hog wrote:Renaldo Wynn!?!?

I hate that guy! He sucks. He gets no push/pass rush off the line!

Ur are a moron....Wynn is a run stopper not a Rush guy.

i love wynn, but, keep up the personal attacks outside of smack, and you'll look like the moron when you can't post anymore....

read the rules here: http://www.thehogs.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11&start=0

Ask Drew if he felt pressure from Wynn on Sunday?

1niksder wrote:We will go into next year with a lot less Dead money on the cap (we are finally done with Trotter )

Dead Bonus Money on 2005 Cap
WR Laveranues Coles $9,286
LB Jeremiah Trotter $4,648
DE Regan Upshaw $1,200
WR Rod Gardner $1,110
G Dave Fiore $750
WR Darnerian McCants $667
RB Chad Morton $500
LB Michael Barrow $417
DT Jermaine Haley $325
TE Walter Rasby $267
CB Ralph Brown $125
OL Vaughn Parker $75
LB Robert McCune $42
OL Mark Wilson $39
LB Jared Newberry $27
LB Brian Allen $25
Other $40
Total $ 19,542

Dude is this for real. I mean, will Brian Allen really cost us a whoppin 25 bucks against the salary cap. What the frick, I mean what is 25 bucks going to do in the long run?