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I keep hearing people talk about being patient with the rebuilding process, because it takes time; I'm fine with that, because it's a complicated game and a complicated process. However, I want to hear some hard numbers from people - how long should Gibbs have before we can start looking for some results (playoffs, maybe)? Like so many other fans, I was excited beyond belief when Gibbs came back at the end of the '03 season, but the 'skins improving their record by only one win last year was a big let-down. The great start this year (3-0) again got me thinking this was the turn-around year, but this latest 2-5 skid is just crushing. When can we expect the 'skins to start scaring teams again?

Is 20 years too limiting?

I think Gibbs has as long as it takes. Without the turnovers we are probably 7-3. Add a pass rush and a healthy Griffin and who knows. I don't think it is a total rebuild, I think we're close.

Gibbs could have gone 0-16 lst year and 0-10 this year and I'd still believe he should be the HC for as long as he desires.....seriously.

gregory smith wrote:I think Gibbs has as long as it takes. Without the turnovers we are probably 7-3.

That's like saying without all the losses we're undefeated. Unfortunately, we're 5-5 here in reality.

Add a pass rush and a healthy Griffin and who knows. I don't think it is a total rebuild, I think we're close.

Remember that old saying - close only counts in horseshoes and handgrenades.
We're looking better than last year, but we need to start showing some consistency.

How long should Gibbs have?

Seriously? Forever!

Till he can no longer do his job and be healthy.

Its cool to disagree with the dude and may not even feel his style but to get rid of the only coach who has brought success to this team in the past decade+ is retarded. RETARDDDED.

ATV wrote:Gibbs could have gone 0-16 lst year and 0-10 this year and I'd still believe he should be the HC for as long as he desires.....seriously.

I have great respect for Joe Gibbs, both because of his great success his first time here, and because he's a total class act. But I don't know if I'd be able to stand 0-26.

Thank you Mursilis for your input, I understand everything now.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Till he can no longer do his job and be healthy.

Its cool to disagree with the dude and may not even feel his style but to get rid of the only coach who has brought success to this team in the past decade+ is retarded. RETARDDDED.

Give credit to Norv Turner for the '99 playoff team. He was also fired when the team was 7-6. No one has been able to match that since Norv.
I will take Gibbs anyday over Norv.
Gibbs will get it done.. I just hope his health holds up.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Till he can no longer do his job and be healthy.

Its cool to disagree with the dude and may not even feel his style but to get rid of the only coach who has brought success to this team in the past decade+ is retarded. RETARDDDED.

I'm not saying it's time to dump Gibbs at all, but I'm also not going to say we can't expect results. Look at what Marvin Lewis did with the Bungles - when he showed up, they had just finished 2-14 and were in a lot worse shape than the Redskins. However, Lewis added 6 wins his first year, and still went 8-8 last year with Carson Palmer in his first year as a starter. This year, the Bengals are 7-3 and definitely in the playoff hunt. Overall, Lewis has gone 23-16 with a 2-14 team. It can be done.

USS Redskin wrote:He was also fired when the team was 7-6. No one has been able to match that since Norv.

Actually, we went 8-8 during the Marty-ball year.

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:The Bengals.

Laugh all you want, but who here wouldn't want 7-3? I'd trade two of our losses for two wins any day.

Since booting Gibbs is the new hot topic why haven't I seen anyone speak of a good candidate to take over?

The same people wanting Gibbs out want Gregg gone too so who are we going to put in his place? Do you feel safe with Danny picking a new head coach after Spurrier?

You guys are remarkable.

I can't believe anybody would even come anywhere close to asking how long Gibbs should have. Jeez, it took him 29 games to win the Superbowl in his first time in DC - would 30 have been too long for you?

I think most people would say that Gibbs took over a better squad first time round than he did this time. He's having to build this thing from the foundations up, so let's take a breath here. I could give you a list of teams that took a long time to build, and went through a lot of pain before they got to the top. Most of the pain comes from thinking they are better than they really are - that's our fault.

Fact is, this team was damned lucky to be 3-0. A lot of people were getting way too excited, and now we're all a little suicidal. But, loosen the noose, and come down off the chair, because there IS hope, and the source of that hope is Mr Joe Gibbs. He can have as long as he wants, because he is the best thing about being a Washington Redskins fan. He is the reason that we all have this absurd notion that we deserve a Superbowl, and I'm not about to bail out on the guy.

Here endeth the sermon - keep the faith.

He deserves the respect to decide when he has had enough, imho. I think he is a class-act and would step down if he thought he couldn't right the ship.

He should be given his whole contract, were in year no.2. So I say three more years after this one.

How long did it take Dick Vermeil when he was out for an even shorter period of time than Gibbs? Thats right, 3 years. Next year should be the push after add a few more key players in the offseason. We need some depth badly.

UK Skins Fan wrote:I can't believe anybody would even come anywhere close to asking how long Gibbs should have. Jeez, it took him 29 games to win the Superbowl in his first time in DC - would 30 have been too long for you?

I think most people would say that Gibbs took over a better squad first time round than he did this time. He's having to build this thing from the foundations up, so let's take a breath here. I could give you a list of teams that took a long time to build, and went through a lot of pain before they got to the top. Most of the pain comes from thinking they are better than they really are - that's our fault.

Fact is, this team was damned lucky to be 3-0. A lot of people were getting way too excited, and now we're all a little suicidal. But, loosen the noose, and come down off the chair, because there IS hope, and the source of that hope is Mr Joe Gibbs. He can have as long as he wants, because he is the best thing about being a Washington Redskins fan. He is the reason that we all have this absurd notion that we deserve a Superbowl, and I'm not about to bail out on the guy.

Here endeth the sermon - keep the faith.

Amen, UK.


I'm still excited that I get to see Gibbs coach, having been (just barely) too young to really have seen him the first time around.

It's been a bumpy ride so far because I, like everyone else, gets impatient. But I'm looking forward to seeing what Gibbs is going to do with this team.

Mursilis wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Till he can no longer do his job and be healthy.

Its cool to disagree with the dude and may not even feel his style but to get rid of the only coach who has brought success to this team in the past decade+ is retarded. RETARDDDED.

I'm not saying it's time to dump Gibbs at all, but I'm also not going to say we can't expect results. Look at what Marvin Lewis did with the Bungles - when he showed up, they had just finished 2-14 and were in a lot worse shape than the Redskins. However, Lewis added 6 wins his first year, and still went 8-8 last year with Carson Palmer in his first year as a starter. This year, the Bengals are 7-3 and definitely in the playoff hunt. Overall, Lewis has gone 23-16 with a 2-14 team. It can be done.

He should get to coach this team as long as he wants. Bottom line. He's been our coach for 26 games. He basically inherited a 5-11 team and started from scratch. Yeah, we went 6-10 last year, but guess what, that was good enough to be tied for second place in the NFC East last year.

Let the season play itself out.

Mursilis wrote: I'd trade two of our losses for two wins any day.

Genius?

If you are a Marvin Lewis fan, it is alright. Why not cheer for his yeam too? They seem to be doing well and they probably appreciate you as a fan.

Your standing as a Redskins fan is going down very rapidly in my book (and probably others).

Mursilis wrote:How long should Gibbs have?

Until he dies

Mursilis wrote:

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:The Bengals.

Laugh all you want, but who here wouldn't want 7-3? I'd trade two of our losses for two wins any day.

I would love to have played the Bungles schedule. They are 7-0 aginst teams ranked in the bottom half of the leaque and 0-3 against teams in the top half.

However, the Redskins are 0-7 against the AFC since Gibbs has been back - that doesn't bode well for Sunday. The biggest things that have cost the Skins losses are turn overs and poor officiating. Even out those two and this team has 7,8, or 9 wins. Gibbs has very little input on either. I would say ignore them both. Don't send those stupid tapes to the leaque and pretend that the turn overs aren't happening. I meen drawing attention to both hasn't worked, maybe, just maybe, the attention is causing both!

AZHog wrote:

USS Redskin wrote:He was also fired when the team was 7-6. No one has been able to match that since Norv.

Actually, we went 8-8 during the Marty-ball year.

Norv took 6 years to get to the playoffs and in his seventh year he started out 6-2 and went 1-4 before he was fired. It was well past time for him to go! Norv went 3-13, then 6-10, and then 9-7. Gibbs will match 9-7 this year, even when they lose this coming Sunday.