Tom DeLay indicted
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 1:31 pm
Tom DeLay has been indicted in Texas for his part in the TRMPAC scandal. This means he will no longer be able to keep his position as majority leader in the House. Thoughts?
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Tom DeLay indicted
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 1:33 pm
Dang.....you just scooped Crazyhorse on a political topic. GOOD JOB!
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 1:34 pm
Redskins Rule wrote:Dang.....you just scooped Crazyhorse on a political topic. GOOD JOB!
I didn't check Talking Smack yet.
Re: Tom DeLay indicted
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 1:54 pm
JSPB22 wrote:Tom DeLay has been indicted in Texas for his part in the TRMPAC scandal. This means he will no longer be able to keep his position as majority leader in the House. Thoughts?
I thought I read somewhere that the rule was changed. I think he might actually have to be convicted to lose his post. I'll have to check on that, though.
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 1:58 pm
If crazyhorse had gotten to it first, the subject line would have read something like "Bush loses yet again--main man taken out. . ."
Re: Tom DeLay indicted
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 2:08 pm
cvillehog wrote:JSPB22 wrote:Tom DeLay has been indicted in Texas for his part in the TRMPAC scandal. This means he will no longer be able to keep his position as majority leader in the House. Thoughts?
I thought I read somewhere that the rule was changed. I think he might actually have to be convicted to lose his post. I'll have to check on that, though.
They (Republicans) did change the rule to "conviction" needed, to prevent just this circumstance, but they had to change it back because it was such crass hypocrisy, since they were the ones to implement the original rule back in '94.
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 2:14 pm
since when does hypocrisy matter in politics?Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 2:15 pm
JansenFan wrote::hmm: since when does hypocrisy matter in politics?
I thought it was a prerequisite.
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 3:08 pm
FanfromAnnapolis wrote:If crazyhorse had gotten to it first, the subject line would have read something like "Bush loses yet again--main man taken out. . ."
And I saw on CNN that DeLay chose to step down from the majority position. I didn't see it on Fox News so we'll see if that "liberal biased CNN" is right or not.
Its been a couple of hours now.......where is crazyhorse? I'm very shocked its taken him this long. I got five bucks that says he'll post something here in two hours. Any takers?
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 3:20 pm
he's in his tub, joyously rubbing himself all over with newspapers reporting of delay's demise.
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 6:16 pm
There is no "Delay's demise". He stepped down from his position temporarily as required. As soon as this goes to trial and he's found "not guilty", he'll step right back in.
It does make one wonder if it is a partisian witch hunt after finding out that this was the SIXTH grand jury convened. The first five refused to return the indictment.
This same DA went after Kay Bailey Hutchinson back in the early nineties and had his hat handed to him. He'd better hope that that is all that's handed to him after taking on Delay, a man who is notorious for retribution.
It does make one wonder if it is a partisian witch hunt after finding out that this was the SIXTH grand jury convened. The first five refused to return the indictment.
This same DA went after Kay Bailey Hutchinson back in the early nineties and had his hat handed to him. He'd better hope that that is all that's handed to him after taking on Delay, a man who is notorious for retribution.
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 6:45 pm
The wife and I have been out celebrating...sorry about the De Lay. Anybody know what Bush said when asked about Roe VS Wade?
Answer: Both were good ways to get out of New Orleans.
Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha
It's a beautiful De Lay in the neighborhood.
Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha
Once, twice, indict De Lay De!
I can't stand it! Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha
Call my psychiatrist! Somebody help me!
Answer: Both were good ways to get out of New Orleans.
Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha
It's a beautiful De Lay in the neighborhood.
Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha
Once, twice, indict De Lay De!
I can't stand it! Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha
Call my psychiatrist! Somebody help me!
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 9:08 pm
crazyhorse1 wrote:The wife and I have been out celebrating...sorry about the De Lay. Anybody know what Bush said when asked about Roe VS Wade?
Answer: Both were good ways to get out of New Orleans.
Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha
It's a beautiful De Lay in the neighborhood.
Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha
Once, twice, indict De Lay De!
I can't stand it! Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha
Call my psychiatrist! Somebody help me!
You Actually celebrated Delay stepping down!!
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 10:08 pm
First the Cowpukes fall, and now this!
I had a 16 ounce Texas sizzler and a pitcher of dark!
I had a 16 ounce Texas sizzler and a pitcher of dark!
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 2:44 am
My thoughts ??
Its a B.S. Partisan-based indictment. The prosecutor is a Democrat hack that has been looking for years to get his shots at him. Basically throwing stuff at the wall to see what would stick. My guess is this will be a whole bunch of nothing. But will still affect the House since Delay has to step down (GOP rules) from his leadership position during the term of the Grand Jury or until the disposition of the case in court. Still, Delay will get his day in court and prove this is a whole bunch of nothing. But that won't matter to the average voter that doesn't pay attention. The Democrats know this and thats why they do these types of things.
Its a B.S. Partisan-based indictment. The prosecutor is a Democrat hack that has been looking for years to get his shots at him. Basically throwing stuff at the wall to see what would stick. My guess is this will be a whole bunch of nothing. But will still affect the House since Delay has to step down (GOP rules) from his leadership position during the term of the Grand Jury or until the disposition of the case in court. Still, Delay will get his day in court and prove this is a whole bunch of nothing. But that won't matter to the average voter that doesn't pay attention. The Democrats know this and thats why they do these types of things.
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 9:22 am
This indictment might be "BS Partisan Biased", but it might not. I really got to watch the news a little bit and catch up on everything about it before I post my opinion of him being guilty or not. I kind of hope it is "BS Partisan Biased" because that would be awesome! The republicans hit Clinton with the "BS Partisan Baised" for so many years. It just got tiring to hear "more republican BS". It would be great if the democrats are getting some payback. But if he is guilty then its good that the democrats are not letting him get away with it.
Personally, I think its bullcrud that he's stepping down from his position. In this country you are innocent until proven guilty. It seems like he's being punished for a crime that he has not been found guilty of. THAT IS BULLCRUD! But the GOP set that up so now they're paying for it. Hopefully, they'll change that after this.
Personally, I think its bullcrud that he's stepping down from his position. In this country you are innocent until proven guilty. It seems like he's being punished for a crime that he has not been found guilty of. THAT IS BULLCRUD! But the GOP set that up so now they're paying for it. Hopefully, they'll change that after this.
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 9:27 am
Actually, the reason for stepping down is simple. You can't fully and totally concentrate on such an important leadership position while have to meet with lawyers, discuss trial stretegy, etc.
It's kind of like Sean Taylor taking off the last few OTA's to concetrate on his legal matters.
It's kind of like Sean Taylor taking off the last few OTA's to concetrate on his legal matters.
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 10:36 am
thaiphoon wrote:My thoughts ??
Its a B.S. Partisan-based indictment. The prosecutor is a Democrat hack that has been looking for years to get his shots at him. Basically throwing stuff at the wall to see what would stick. My guess is this will be a whole bunch of nothing. But will still affect the House since Delay has to step down (GOP rules) from his leadership position during the term of the Grand Jury or until the disposition of the case in court. Still, Delay will get his day in court and prove this is a whole bunch of nothing. But that won't matter to the average voter that doesn't pay attention. The Democrats know this and thats why they do these types of things.
There's no way this is partisan. Tom DeLay is one of the most corrupt politicians in Washington, and that's saying something. This is just the tip of the iceberg with this guy. Here is a link to find out just how depraved this guy is.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/05/09/real.delay/
BTW, yes the prosecutor is a Democrat. And Democrats should be glad to have him. Of the 15 indictments handed down by Ron Earle to politicians, over the years, 11 have been to Democrats. He is an honest man who hates government corruption. But watch the Republican smear machine have at him over the next couple of weeks.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200409220004
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 11:17 am
thaiphoon wrote:My thoughts ??
Its a B.S. Partisan-based indictment. The prosecutor is a Democrat hack that has been looking for years to get his shots at him. Basically throwing stuff at the wall to see what would stick. My guess is this will be a whole bunch of nothing. But will still affect the House since Delay has to step down (GOP rules) from his leadership position during the term of the Grand Jury or until the disposition of the case in court. Still, Delay will get his day in court and prove this is a whole bunch of nothing. But that won't matter to the average voter that doesn't pay attention. The Democrats know this and thats why they do these types of things.
Pot. Kettle. Black.
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 11:24 am
thaiphoon wrote:But that won't matter to the average voter that doesn't pay attention.
Like you?
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 11:54 am
JSPB22 wrote:thaiphoon wrote:My thoughts ??
Its a B.S. Partisan-based indictment. The prosecutor is a Democrat hack that has been looking for years to get his shots at him. Basically throwing stuff at the wall to see what would stick. My guess is this will be a whole bunch of nothing. But will still affect the House since Delay has to step down (GOP rules) from his leadership position during the term of the Grand Jury or until the disposition of the case in court. Still, Delay will get his day in court and prove this is a whole bunch of nothing. But that won't matter to the average voter that doesn't pay attention. The Democrats know this and thats why they do these types of things.
There's no way this is partisan. Tom DeLay is one of the most corrupt politicians in Washington, and that's saying something. This is just the tip of the iceberg with this guy. Here is a link to find out just how depraved this guy is.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/05/09/real.delay/
BTW, yes the prosecutor is a Democrat. And Democrats should be glad to have him. Of the 15 indictments handed down by Ron Earle to politicians, over the years, 11 have been to Democrats. He is an honest man who hates government corruption. But watch the Republican smear machine have at him over the next couple of weeks.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200409220004
Because this liberal weenie has also falsely attacked CONSERVATIVE Democrats also means he's non-partisian?
Please explain to me why he had to use SIX grand juries to achieve his goal of tarnishing Delay?
Why would you define him as "honest" when he has illegally leaked previous grand jury testimony?
Why if he's so non-partisian did he illegally use information from this indictment at a Democratic fundraiser?
His best hope is that disbarrment satisfies his victims rather than jail time.
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 12:10 pm
curveball wrote:JSPB22 wrote:thaiphoon wrote:My thoughts ??
Its a B.S. Partisan-based indictment. The prosecutor is a Democrat hack that has been looking for years to get his shots at him. Basically throwing stuff at the wall to see what would stick. My guess is this will be a whole bunch of nothing. But will still affect the House since Delay has to step down (GOP rules) from his leadership position during the term of the Grand Jury or until the disposition of the case in court. Still, Delay will get his day in court and prove this is a whole bunch of nothing. But that won't matter to the average voter that doesn't pay attention. The Democrats know this and thats why they do these types of things.
There's no way this is partisan. Tom DeLay is one of the most corrupt politicians in Washington, and that's saying something. This is just the tip of the iceberg with this guy. Here is a link to find out just how depraved this guy is.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/05/09/real.delay/
BTW, yes the prosecutor is a Democrat. And Democrats should be glad to have him. Of the 15 indictments handed down by Ron Earle to politicians, over the years, 11 have been to Democrats. He is an honest man who hates government corruption. But watch the Republican smear machine have at him over the next couple of weeks.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200409220004
Because this liberal weenie has also falsely attacked CONSERVATIVE Democrats also means he's non-partisian?
Well, yes, but I object to the word "falsely".
curveball wrote:Please explain to me why he had to use SIX grand juries to achieve his goal of tarnishing Delay?
I'll let you explain it yourself:
curveball wrote:He'd better hope that that is all that's handed to him after taking on Delay, a man who is notorious for retribution.
curveball wrote:Why would you define him as "honest" when he has illegally leaked previous grand jury testimony?
You got proof of that, do ya?
skins81 wrote:
Pot. Kettle. Black.
curveball wrote:Why if he's so non-partisian did he illegally use information from this indictment at a Democratic fundraiser?
I await the indictments to be handed down against him. It's my understanding that the only campaign finance law in Texas, is that you can't use corporate funds for anything but administrative purposes. This is the law that DeLay broke.
curveball wrote:His best hope is that disbarrment satisfies his victims rather than jail time.
I guess so.
I noticed you paid no mention to the link to the Saipan article in your scathing reply to my post. Care to state your opinion of that, too?
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 1:09 pm
Do yourself a favor before you make an even bigger fool of yourself and look at his coviction rate in those cases before you object to "falsely".
And with regards to Saipan, ask yourself a simple question, "If conditions were so bad, why are people immigrating there to work?"
And with regards to Saipan, ask yourself a simple question, "If conditions were so bad, why are people immigrating there to work?"
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 1:51 pm
curveball wrote:Do yourself a favor before you make an even bigger fool of yourself and look at his coviction rate in those cases before you object to "falsely".
Why don't you tell us all the conviction rate?
curveball wrote:And with regards to Saipan, ask yourself a simple question, "If conditions were so bad, why are people immigrating there to work?"
Uh, McFly, they didn't know what they were getting into. They were promised jobs in America, many times actually paying money to go there. In the case of the woman who testified in the lawsuit that has brought some relief, no thanks to DeLay, her village had taken up a collection to send her there in hopes that she might be able to send back money. Most are indentured servants trying to pay back the money they "owe" for the flight to "America". If these women couldn't make back their travel money in the garment sweat shops, then they were forced into prostitution, and if they became pregnant, they were forced to have abortions.
DeLay fully approved of the working and living conditions. The Texan's salute to the owners and Abramoff's government clients was recorded by ABC-TV News: "You are a shining light for what is happening to the Republican Party, and you represent everything that is good about what we are trying to do in America and leading the world in the free-market system"
Later, DeLay would tell The Washington Post's Juliet Eilperin that the low-wage, anti-union conditions of the Marianas constituted "a perfect petri dish of capitalism. It's like my Galapagos Island."
Here's some more from Tom DeLay:
A Brief Collection of Tom DeLay Quotes
Celebrate Tom DeLay's indictment by picking your favorite Tom DeLay quote:
Poor metaphor: "The EPA, the gestapo of government, pure and simply has been one of the major claw-hooks that the government maintains on the backs of our constituents.”
Threat to judges: “Mrs. Schiavo's death is a moral poverty and a legal tragedy…The time will come for the men responsible for this to answer for their behavior…”
Blaming minorities for hogging Vietnam service:
He and Quayle, DeLay explained to the assembled media [at the Republican Convention] in New Orleans, were victims of an unusual phenomenon back in the days of the [Vietnam] war. So many minority youths had volunteered for the well-paying military positions to escape poverty and the ghetto that there was literally no room for patriotic folks like himself. Satisfied with the pronouncement, which dumbfounded more than a few of his listeners who had lived the sixties, DeLay marched off to the convention.
Inflated ego: "I am the federal government."
Playing doctor: "She talks and she laughs and she expresses likes and discomforts," he said Sunday evening. "It won't take a miracle to help Terri Schiavo. It will only take the medical care and therapy that patients require."
http://shows.airamericaradio.com/alfrankenshow/
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 4:33 pm
Whew! Just got back from the Tom Delay is Going to Jail party. Cooking was discussed. My
Woman and I learned to make Ethically Challenged Stew. Take basic Delay, mixed in a little Rove and Frist, season with the Republican party, not too much Ralph Reed or Scooter Libby. Serve with Jack A. Brownie for dessert.
Woman and I learned to make Ethically Challenged Stew. Take basic Delay, mixed in a little Rove and Frist, season with the Republican party, not too much Ralph Reed or Scooter Libby. Serve with Jack A. Brownie for dessert.