The-Hogs.net - Washington Football Discussion, Redskins to Commanders Era

As much as I hate to say it... you people make me laugh. Has the internet really made everyone so short-sighted, over-analytical and ravenous that you're incapable of sensible thought? I could provide a thousand examples from the last couple of weeks, but I'm only going to hit on a few points.

1) At what point did a football game become a game of playing 100% error-free? I want to assume that the attitude comes solely from people that have never played the game before. If you've ever stepped on to the field you know that football has the humbling quality of every single play being a game within a game. Winning is about going out and winning the majority of those battles, not winning every one. I see comments about only playing 5 minutes and how all of our problems were the same for 55 minutes... I hear the commentators saying the same thing... I guess that is where a lot of it comes from DESPITE the fact that you all know how little THEY know. On Monday night I said to the group of fans here watching the game at my house that we were going to win the game (early on... before the 4th) because this was EXACTLY the opposite of every Cowboy/Redskin game for a decade. They won the battles early on but could not put us away... and now we were starting to win battles as often and more than they were... it just took until late in the 4th to win enough on offense to go down the field. It wasn't blind faith... it was an actual observation of plays on an individual basis... something very important in a football game. it doesn't matter what the Cowboys or their fans think... they lost enough battles to lose the war on Monday.

2) I don't know if it's the 'news now' nature of the web or if some of you are this fickle in all that you do, but how do you become so short-sighted? Calling for a coaches job half-way through the second game of the season when you're away at a place you haven't won for a decade? Oh and did I mention that it's the second game and we're a 1-0 team... not an 0-1 team. Do yourselves a favor... learn to try and look a little further ahead in your life than the next 5 minutes.

IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT THE METHOD OF REACHING SUCH A POINT IS.... we're 2-0. We beat the Cowboys. We beat them in Texas for the first time since Heath Sshuler was here. I'm guessing some of the more short-sighted fans were in grade school when it happened.

3) I guess it is the internet that has turned you all into 'experts'. While I fuuly appreciate, support and encourage you all to say what you feel... are there any synapses between your brain and your mouth that allow you to perhaps think about your relative 'knowledge' of something? People talking about 'things that matter' when even hall of fame coaches themselves don't see issues. Wow. That's bold and arrogant, and I'm an expert on both of those things... but even I check myself with the fact that I'm a fan that played football for fun and has merely observed from my arm chair for a very long time. It's amazing to me that so many of you 'know what it takes' when you've never been anywhere near it yourself. This applies to personnel, strategy, finances... you name it.

4) This doesn't go out to everyone... but it amazes me that those that it does go out to do so much posting for the percentage of the group that they actually make up. Is this an unspeakable desire to eat crow?



5) Get used to it. Get used to what? The ugly win... the late game heroics... the winning by the skin of your teeth. it's a by-product of a ball control offense. Obviously the offense needs to be able to move the ball down the field more often but have any of you given much serious thought to the fact that one more trip down the field,,, maybe two... is likely OPTIMALLY what you will see. I've said this a gazillion times it seems like, but I'll say it again. The design of this offense is to take as long as humanly possible to go down the field. Yes there will be long strikes like monday night... but the meat of the strategy will be to eat clock ALL THE TIME. this means that BY DESIGN we will WEAR TEAMS OUT in the fourth quarter and hopefully roll over them into a victory.



That's a fair amount of rambling and raving... because some of you desere it. i could honestly go on further but I thought it'd be nice to leave something left for you 'experts' to take me to task on.

I want to give those of you that this message pertains to some advice if I may be so bold... take a deep breath... think before you post... maybe even ask yourself if you're qualified to make a bold statement... you'll be better for it.

... and so will the quality of the conversation on the message board.

Everyone's opinion is welcome, but a CONVERSATION requires a somewhat open mind.

You seem to be judging people/posters because of there opinions. Just like your opinion as a Redskins fan, everybody on here has one as well. We are not all the same nor do we all have the same opinions.
I understand what you are saying but a lot of our posters don't see it that way but that should not make them enferior posters.

one things for sure, we all love the Washington Redskins.

Shabba wrote:...but a lot of our posters don't see it that way but that should not make them enferior posters.

Doesn't make them "souperior", either.

I don't think what Boss is trying to say has anything to do with opinions. His cyber-tongue lashing has more to do with comments put forth by posters pertaining to the game/games, the style of this team(molded through their head coaches philosophies)and peoples abilities to grab a hold of what commentators and the media in general are saying. The media, as a whole, thrives on "dirty laundry". Most of the time I read what they have to say and have to ask myself if any of them remember what Redskins teams used to play like? Well here's one for them... It ain't much different now!! Yes, every body sees highlights of the teams "back in the day" and there were some very nice ones(God I Love 'Em). But Joe Gibbs' teams have always been about ball control and time of possession. The only difference here is this team is only in it's second year, and , ladies and gentlemen, we're WINNING! No it's not pretty and yes I was biting my own nails in the fourth but, to coin an earlier phrase... Get used to it!!

Ive been wondering how long it'd take for the giant to be awakened.

Shabba wrote:You seem to be judging people/posters because of there opinions. Just like your opinion as a Redskins fan, everybody on here has one as well. We are not all the same nor do we all have the same opinions.
I understand what you are saying but a lot of our posters don't see it that way but that should not make them enferior posters.

one things for sure, we all love the Washington Redskins.

... point me to any point where I call anyone inferior or say that they are not free to voice whatever opinion they have... please. in fact...

While I fully appreciate, support and encourage you all to say what you feel

... would seem to indicate that I said the exact opposite.

It has nothing to do with what you say... it has to do with thinking before you speak... there's a ton of good information and great posters here to help Redskin fans educate themselves... but NOT if they have a closed mind, and NOT if the good info gets buried in the rhetoric.

Even implying that as a staff we don't encourage everyone to voice their opinion... whatever it is... is ridiculous. It's not like any of these posts I'm yalking about are edited... deleted... or in any way discouraged. This is about WHAT you post not WHAT YOU'RE ALLOWED to post.

Big difference.

BossHog wrote:
1) At what point did a football game become a game of playing 100% error-free? I want to assume that the attitude comes solely from people that have never played the game before.

Is the fact that football players make millions of dollars to perform, that us, merely mortals, expect them to execute error free? or at least avoid dumb mistakes?????

HaiL,

gus wrote:

BossHog wrote:
1) At what point did a football game become a game of playing 100% error-free? I want to assume that the attitude comes solely from people that have never played the game before.

Is the fact that football players make millions of dollars to perform, that us, merely mortals, expect them to execute error free? or at least avoid dumb mistakes?????

HaiL,

Millions of $$$ has nothing to so with playing prefect. You could pay them billions and they'll still make mistakes.

With your thinking a guy like Ethan Albright should make a mistake every other snap. He make the league min.

BH wrote:I want to give those of you that this message pertains to some advice if I may be so bold... take a deep breath... think before you post... maybe even ask yourself if you're qualified to make a bold statement... you'll be better for it.

it was free advise and you didn't take it.

BH wrote:On Monday night I said to the group of fans here watching the game at my house that we were going to win the game (early on... before the 4th) because this was EXACTLY the opposite of every Cowboy/Redskin game for a decade. They won the battles early on but could not put us away... and now we were starting to win battles as often and more than they were... it just took until late in the 4th to win enough on offense to go down the field. It wasn't blind faith... it was an actual observation of plays on an individual basis

If Taz can verify this (and I'm not calling you a liar), then I tip my hat to you, sir.


Me? I was depressed all the way until we completed the first bomb. I even allowed myself to imagine us winning the ball game a little bit. Once we hit the second, I was biting my nails and hoping our defense would make a good showing.

Then again, in my short lifetime, I don't have a single memory of a Redskins 4th quarter come-from-behind win. That may have something to do with it.

Good post, Boss. . .we should all keep the minds open and look beyond the end of our noses. . .

Hill66 and Malicious were there... I'm sure they'll attest.

Taz in the same room as me watching football?

Well, I would assume I am one of the posters you are refering too, because I have mentioned that the first 55 minutes weren't fun to watch. I'm not sure how that is "uninformed," but I guess that it's over my head!

Personally, I have less of a problem with the doom-and-gloom set of posters than I do with the "I'm a better fan than you" set of posters.

But that's just my two cents.

I'm very happy to be 2-0, and I couldn't be happier thant it came at the expense of the Cowboys in their own house. This season has gotten off to the kind of start I thought whe had the personnel to pull of last year.

There are a lot of people on here thinking this win means we are well on the way to the superbowl. Some of the "55 minutes" posters are merely pointing out that it's a long season and there are going to be some tough challenges ahead.

I don't see the problem with that.

cvillehog wrote:Well, I would assume I am one of the posters you are refering too, because I have mentioned that the first 55 minutes weren't fun to watch. I'm not sure how that is "uninformed," but I guess that it's over my head!

Personally, I have less of a problem with the doom-and-gloom set of posters than I do with the "I'm a better fan than you" set of posters.

But that's just my two cents.

I'm very happy to be 2-0, and I couldn't be happier thant it came at the expense of the Cowboys in their own house. This season has gotten off to the kind of start I thought whe had the personnel to pull of last year.

There are a lot of people on here thinking this win means we are well on the way to the superbowl. Some of the "55 minutes" posters are merely pointing out that it's a long season and there are going to be some tough challenges ahead.

I don't see the problem with that.

Well said. I'm sure that I too am supposed to be in that group that the post was directed. As far as "thinking before I post"...I was posting realtime with the game, not reading everyone else's posts a day later all-knowing. Football is a game of emotion too, and I immersed myself in it.

Sorry to have offended some of you Gibbs loyalists. I like to live in reality and I know what I saw the entire game. So we hit 2 passes when it was absolutely necessary. You can't expect bombs like that to be the norm. It was a putrid showing by our O. If it weren't for the D, which I actually think is better this year (except no pass rush still), we never would've had a chance. It's hard to believe that Butch Davis actually called the fact that this game was going to be a defensive struggle.

It wasn't directed at anyone... AT ALL. It was a singular response to a cumulative issue.

Just because I cited a topic doesn't mean that everyone who talked about that topic was guilty either. Like I said... there's a lot of people that don't think before they speak, don't look more than 5 minutes ahead, and continue to let their conceptions by swayed by media that they know are wrong more often than right. That's all.

This wasn't meant to call anyody out.

Obviously emotions are involved... so what? That precludes people from thinking? Obviously people are always going to say things that end up being very incorrect... nobody is trying to dissuade anyone from making any type of post whatsoever actually. There's nothing wrong with having doubts, or even vehement oppositions.

I'm just asking people to think things through a little before they hit that reply button.

Champsturf wrote:

So we hit 2 passes when it was absolutely necessary. You can't expect bombs like that to be the norm.

So we hit two passes when it was absolutely necessary? SO WE HIT 2 PASSES? SOOOOOOOOOOOO???

I'm not, and I'm reasonably sure that most people aren't, expecting that to be the norm. But, I am sure, that what we need is for us to make those type of passes, like you so eloquently say, when it's necessary.

I could be wrong, but my interpretation of some of what BH is stating in this post, is that we must first understand this offense, before we can even be in a position to talk about it. We must understand how Joe Gibbs operates, instead of telling other posters how you think he should operate. And, quite simply, this offense is about ball control and it always will be. It's either that, or nothing. It seems like some people, who shall remain nameless, want this to be the "Greatest show on turf" Volume 2 with Patrick Ramsey throwing 50 yard bombs to Moss on every series of downs. Well, it's NOT going to happen. The only time when BRUNELL is going to try and hit the 50 yard bomb, is like Champsturf said, when it's necessary. Ohter than that, at least in my interpretation of a Joe Gibbs Offense, it's about ball control, controlling the line of scrimmage, running out the clock, wearing the opponent down, and allowing for a smash mouth running game. The final score, be it 42-0 or 14-13 is not nearly as important as the fact that the Redskins won the game.

All these "Gibbs loyalists" that Champsturf refers to, are more than likely people who have a deep understanding of the type of football that Joe Gibbs employs. He'll adjust it as needed, but he won't change the fundamental aspect of a ball control type of offense that he believes in. It's what got him into the hall of fame, and it's why he was hired to come back and coach the Redskins again. Unfortunately, the fact that Gibbs doesn't see Ramsey hurling 50 yard bombs on every series has upset some people. Those very people, as is their right, vehemently oppose the selection of Brunell being the QB, almost to the point of creating excuses why we were lucky to win, why we stunk it up for 55 minutes, and almost apologizing for winning. What they should, in my opinion, realize, is that Joe Gibbs' type of football is complex, ground oriented, with emphasis on things like field position, time of possesion, taking time to score, and as evidenced on MNF, the deep game when necessary.

Joe Gibbs will be the first person to stand up and say that there are certain aspects of the game that we need to improve on, particularly those that took place during the first 55 minutes of the game. But, Joe Gibbs will also tell you that during those first 55 minutes, we also did some good, and sometimes very good things.

Thankfully, we have Joe Gibbs to isolate what we did wrong from what we did good, and improve on what is needed, and maintain what we did good on. Thank God Gibbs has that job, instead of someone who simply wants to throw deep bombs every time we touch the ball.

Just my

I think the biggest problem with the so called realists, is that your realism generally comes across as: doom and gloom, the sky is falling, we suck, we aren't good, and even when we are good we won't win, we suck, etc..etc.

People claim to be 'realists' when the only reality in football is winning and losing and right now we have been winning.

I would be willing to bet that no one on the team cares how we win, as long as at the end of the day we win the game. However, on this website, those of us who know our roles as fans and choose to a) think before you type (especially when there is a record) b) refrain from predicting failure or claiming a decision was 'dumb' until we actually see how it works out.

Thats all I am trying to say. I admit I do some patroling for that stuff, not to be a jerk, but to take on that mentality. People always recoil though, and proclaim themselves to be "realists". If your realism is constant cynicism then so be it, but don't be offended when someone calls it like it is.

Its one thing to be a 'realist' and another thing to jump on and off of the wagon. Fans are all in it together, and it is really annoying when something doesn't go the way you want it to, and you proclaim we are doomed, and then later try and hop back on the wagon. You don't have to have blind faith, or be foolish, but quit trying to force everyone to be depressed about the team for whatever reason you think we suck.

The discourse that goes on here in the offseason, during the game and between games, is indicative of the fact that we have been losing. Even at 2-0 some of you prove every day that you aren't used to winning.

Boss Hog:

- Wonderful web site
- I have appreciated your dedication to the site since a few months after it started
- Thought the post was kinda silly!

My response:
- I love the Skins
- I have confidence that Gibbs will leasd us back to victory and would be very upset if he left
- The only thing I know about football has been learned from watching it for the last 20 years on TV. I reasily admit that I do not know what I am talking about.
- I think it is assume that most of the folks on this web page are not experts?
- Even though I am not an expert, I do sometimes watch a game and think: "This team looks very good" or "This team looks like they do not have their act together".
- I am so pumped to be at 2-0, to beat the cowgirls, to win on Monday night.
- However in my non-expert opinion: The offense did not look good at all. The did not look confident, they did not look like they were all working together.....they did not look capable of scoring on a regular basis. The defense still looks great, but I was surprised that we did not sack Bledsoe. I also did not like what I saw with the offensive line.
- I comment on this not because I want to see Gibbs go....but I guess because I am hoping that someone may be able to explain ...like you did...that I should not be worried...that we actually have a good offense and it just looks bad for X reason. I respectfully did not buy your explenation: I think you were saying that we were generally winning the small battles and it was just a matter of time before we started scoring. I would agree with that regarding our defense, but not our offense. The only way that I am consoling myself now is that even when we have been great in the past we have looked really bad against the boys on a Monday night. I am still looking for something to make me feel confident about our offense. I can't wait until next Sunday.

As Redskin fans, we have all been anxious to see improvement. The defense has been good enough to win but the offense has not been close to being an "average" offense. IMO to run a ball control type of offense you need the THREAT of the long ball. The Redskins have not had this threat for some time. The receivers could not get seperation, or they dropped the ball, or the pass was under/over thrown, etc.,etc. At diffenent times we all have been ready to blame particular individuals when they did not play up to expected level. We are all guilty of this.

Don't you think JG recognizes this problem? Why do we have a new team of WR's? Why did we draft a QB?

I hope a healthy Brunell and our WR's will be able to establish the long ball threat and then JG will be in a position to run a ball control type of offense. Until then - we will keep blaming individual players who do not perform up to expected level.

Some of you seem to be misunderstanding... obviously none-to-most of us are not 'experts', so if I was asking the non-experts to not post then we'd have a pretty slow board. What I'm saying is that some people post and post like they ARE experts and continually come up short BECAUSE they were either short-sighted or just over-anxious... they constantly have to go back and eat crow... not occasionally... all the time... and for the exact same reasons.

That's who this was directed at. Not everyone who had ever made an errant assumption in a post.

It's the non-sense bickering back and forth over non-issues and minor issues that make other GOOD, KNOWLEDGEABLE posters shy away from posting some times becaue they don't want to waste their time trying to help somebody understand that has no ability to adjust their thinking.

It isn't about specifics and I guess I shouldn't have cited any examples. It's about the same people continually not recognizing that their own inability to just simply think hurts everyone's experience with the board.

If anyone thinks canning a coach after two games of anaemic offense (I fully support this opinion) makes sense, then I'm sorry, but you're just not making a very logical, informed opinion. Forget that we've won both of those games, you're ignoring the fact that the team is at least a cohesive unit for the first time in years. You're ignoring that a somewhat meddlesome owner seems to have finally stepped back a little. You're ignoring that it takes time for a system to develop. You're ignoring how long it wouyld take a new coach to implement a system. You're ignoring that a new coach would be working with personnel from another regime. You're ignoring that though it isn't absolute, there is more stability in D.C. than there has been for over a decade.

That's a lot of ignoring and for what? To make an emotional statement that Joe Gibbs needs to go because we haven't whiped the mat with all two of our opponents? Again, this is only an example.... to point out that many things are said absolutely when while there may be merit to WHY they feel that way, there's very little merit to the exaggerated course of their opinions.

I agree with that! If we keep jumping coaches, we are going to keep losing. I think Gibbs is committed to for the long term and I think that Snyder is committed to Gibbs for the long term. Those are the two things that make me the most optimistic. That along with the excitement coming from the team.

We have alrady seen what changing coaches every couple years does.

We have alrady seen what changing coaches every couple years does.

And it's not just changing coaches that's the problem, or else Norv Turner would still be telling us how good it is that we almost won, etc etc.

Foolish, silly, impulsive, brainless little Dan Snyder simply hired the best man who coached the NFL in the last 35 years. And handed control of the team to that man.

You keep the coach not just for continuituy, but, in this case, because there are none better. Nor have there been better coaches since Vince Lombardi died.

Is that even at question? I keep hearing that "the game has passed Gibbs by", and cracks about the "arcahic Gibbs offense". Do we need the 400th thread on this?

Let's do a "thought experiment". Take the '91 team and add about 10 - 15 pounds to each Hog to account for the increase in the avwerage size of offensive linemen.

That team would crush any existing NFL team because they fully understood the Gibbs offense. They had a primary running back who, Gibbs said, understood the offense better than Gibbs himself. That guy is now the Redskins RB coach, by the way. That team worked together so well that Gibbs and Don Breaux could throw any new scjeme at them, and they could execute it perfectly by game-Sunday. They had played together for ten years.

We are now into the second season of reconstructing that championship team. Just watch.

I read the original post yesterday and waited until today to post a reply when I wasn't so angry. It will probably be my last since Bosshog is not going to like it.

It never ceases to amaze me when someone criticises others who do not share their personal beliefs. That person truly believes that theirs is the only belief that is possible and realistic and that everyone else is just to stupid to know what is the real belief. It also amazes me when someone essentially says., "it is my football and if you don't play the way I want, I will take my ball and go home."

That is the attitude I got out of Bosshogs original post. He doesn't seem to think that others opinion is approprate because they differ from his.

Let's see, I don't happen to agree that Gibbs is doing such a great job. SO what if he is a HOF coach. We are measured by what we do today. He has had 18 games and 9 pre-season games to put together an offense that has scored 23 points in the 2 games this year. Last year, the Redskins were horrible. Why? Because everyone knew what Gibbs offense was going to do. It was the same thing they did the first time around. The first time it was visionary and innovative. This time, it is history that everyone has studied. There can be no surprises!

Am I am expert? By what measure? Yours...mine? Can I measure that I have been a Redskins fan for longer than most of you have been alive? No! Can I measure that I am a full blooded American Indian and a Redskins fan? No! Can I measure that I have doubts and concerns and beliefs and hopes and dreams for the Redskins to return to a position of being a first rate team and win the Super Bowl again? No! Am I elated that they have won both games? Yes. Do I hope they go to and win the Super Bowl? Yes. Will I still be a fan if they go 2 - 14 this year? Yes.

So then what can I measure against? I can measure against that I am an American citizen and am entitled to my opinions and beliefs whether anyone else agrees or not. That is in the constitution. Your fore fathers fought for and died fot that right and as an American citizen I enjoy that right, whether anyone likes it or not.

I spend all day long listening to opinions and frankly, they get boring. The only interesting ones are those that are new and innovative or view the situation from a different angle, like Gibbs was the first time.

So, Boss, if you want to eliminate me from this site because my opinions are different, so be it.

aswas71788 wrote:I read the original post yesterday and waited until today to post a reply when I wasn't so angry. It will probably be my last since Bosshog is not going to like it.

It never ceases to amaze me when someone criticises others who do not share their personal beliefs. That person truly believes that theirs is the only belief that is possible and realistic and that everyone else is just to stupid to know what is the real belief. It also amazes me when someone essentially says., "it is my football and if you don't play the way I want, I will take my ball and go home."

That is the attitude I got out of Bosshogs original post. He doesn't seem to think that others opinion is approprate because they differ from his.

You should have read the whole thread before you gave Boss another example to site. Not only did he not oppose other's opinions he encourage them.. well thought out post are easier on the eyes. If he wanted to take his ball away because a group of post-ers want to act like morons then this game would have been over. Where did he say he would do ANYTHING if things didn't change. You show every member here you put no thought in what you have contributed. But that's just my opinion

aswas71788 wrote:Let's see, I don't happen to agree that Gibbs is doing such a great job. SO what if he is a HOF coach. We are measured by what we do today. He has had 18 games and 9 pre-season games to put together an offense that has scored 23 points in the 2 games this year. Last year, the Redskins were horrible. Why? Because everyone knew what Gibbs offense was going to do. It was the same thing they did the first time around. The first time it was visionary and innovative. This time, it is history that everyone has studied. There can be no surprises!

Ok Now I know that you don't think Gibbs is doing a great job and you stated why... That can't produce a conversation or prolong one.

Boss was talking about unsupported statements like... "Gibbs needs to be fired" and that's it no bases for what is basically a outburst.

You made a statement and gave the reason behind the disapproval. Why does the other poster want Gibbs fired? We don't know do we? How do you reply to that.

aswas71788 wrote:Am I am expert? By what measure? Yours...mine? Can I measure that I have been a Redskins fan for longer than most of you have been alive? No! Can I measure that I am a full blooded American Indian and a Redskins fan? No! Can I measure that I have doubts and concerns and beliefs and hopes and dreams for the Redskins to return to a position of being a first rate team and win the Super Bowl again? No! Am I elated that they have won both games? Yes. Do I hope they go to and win the Super Bowl? Yes. Will I still be a fan if they go 2 - 14 this year? Yes.

There might be some experts here you never know.
You sound like a fan .
Both are welcome here so what's your point

aswas71788 wrote:So then what can I measure against? I can measure against that I am an American citizen and am entitled to my opinions and beliefs whether anyone else agrees or not. That is in the constitution. Your fore fathers fought for and died fot that right and as an American citizen I enjoy that right, whether anyone likes it or not.

What's your citizenship have to do with a message board on the World Wide Web run by a Canadian? As a member you have a right to think before you post and Boss Hog suggested that post-ers take advanage of it. You should have

aswas71788 wrote:I spend all day long listening to opinions and frankly, they get boring. The only interesting ones are those that are new and innovative or view the situation from a different angle, like Gibbs was the first time.

So, Boss, if you want to eliminate me from this site because my opinions are different, so be it.

aswas71788 wrote:I read the original post yesterday and waited until today to post a reply when I wasn't so angry. It will probably be my last since Bosshog is not going to like it.

It never ceases to amaze me when someone criticises others who do not share their personal beliefs. That person truly believes that theirs is the only belief that is possible and realistic and that everyone else is just to stupid to know what is the real belief. It also amazes me when someone essentially says., "it is my football and if you don't play the way I want, I will take my ball and go home."

That is the attitude I got out of Bosshogs original post. He doesn't seem to think that others opinion is approprate because they differ from his.

Let's see, I don't happen to agree that Gibbs is doing such a great job. SO what if he is a HOF coach. We are measured by what we do today. He has had 18 games and 9 pre-season games to put together an offense that has scored 23 points in the 2 games this year. Last year, the Redskins were horrible. Why? Because everyone knew what Gibbs offense was going to do. It was the same thing they did the first time around. The first time it was visionary and innovative. This time, it is history that everyone has studied. There can be no surprises!

Am I am expert? By what measure? Yours...mine? Can I measure that I have been a Redskins fan for longer than most of you have been alive? No! Can I measure that I am a full blooded American Indian and a Redskins fan? No! Can I measure that I have doubts and concerns and beliefs and hopes and dreams for the Redskins to return to a position of being a first rate team and win the Super Bowl again? No! Am I elated that they have won both games? Yes. Do I hope they go to and win the Super Bowl? Yes. Will I still be a fan if they go 2 - 14 this year? Yes.

So then what can I measure against? I can measure against that I am an American citizen and am entitled to my opinions and beliefs whether anyone else agrees or not. That is in the constitution. Your fore fathers fought for and died fot that right and as an American citizen I enjoy that right, whether anyone likes it or not.

I spend all day long listening to opinions and frankly, they get boring. The only interesting ones are those that are new and innovative or view the situation from a different angle, like Gibbs was the first time.

So, Boss, if you want to eliminate me from this site because my opinions are different, so be it.

My turn.
I have my issues with BossHog. He's a lot of things, but one thing he is not is indirect. I can't fathom how you came up with what you did from reading what he wrote in the first place. He's not going to "eliminate" you. Trust me on this.
Settle down, friend. Read it again. What I'm getting from the whole thing is along the lines of "Have Patience-It's Not Over Yet." There are some interesting asides and the usual offroad activities that you'll find in a post written by a man who has no time to write, but much to say.

Here's something more Dick-And-Jane for you, not that you need it.
We're a Redskins fan site, run by volunteers. No money is changing hands here, although contributions are glady accepted. This whole shebang is a labor of love by and for Redskins fans.
Well, it certainly must suck to put this thing out there for fans to come and get the latest news, talk to other fans and check out all of the features that the staff has put together for you...only to read thread after thread, page after page of negativity, pessimism and near-mutiny.
You only took it as a condemnation because of who the poster is...and thereby, denied him his most elementary right as a poster on the boards. BH is not a God. Sometimes, he's gonna want to throw his two cents out there, too. Take it for what it's worth. It's the opinion of another fan. You don't like it ? Fine. You don't have to.
Oh, and this little thing here ?

aswas wrote:"It is my football and if you don't play the way I want, I will take my ball and go home."

BH has never, ever threatened to "take his ball and go home". However, it is his house...and he does have rules. The inmates are free to have their run of the asylum, so long as they keep it neat and don't break anything.

On a more personal note, I have always enjoyed the ethnic anonymity of the Internet. You don't know if I'm black, white, green blue or purple...and it shouldn't matter. I should be judged on what I write, not how I look.
Throwing your ethnicity in there to try and gain some credibility is not appropriate.
Almost reminds me of a certain "affluent, young black affluent" that used to call these his stomping grounds.
Peace.

We are measured by what we do today. He has had 18 games and 9 pre-season games to put together an offense that has scored 23 points in the 2 games this year.

The Ravens got to the freaking Super Bowl with exactly that type of win. So if it's good enough to get them there, you better believe it's good enough to get us there.

There are only two catergories in football, winners and losers and you people need to realize which catergory the 2005 Washington Redskins are falling into.

As far as Boss Hog speaking his mind, I find it very telling that he named not one name but there are several of you that jumped up defensively about his post. Very telling. I actually have only been skimming anything opinion related lately because I'm personally sick of wading through the belly aching and whining about how you guys want a win to look. I just pray that our team doesn't read this and assume most fans fall into the category of you who cannot be grateful.

tcwest10 wrote:[ green blue or purple....

Wow I did not know you were puple tc. This I need to see.


Only thing I ned to say on this topic is

GO REDSKINS