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I think it is highly doubtful that the Redskins trade Patrick Ramsey until the offseason, but this will surely be his last season in a Redskin uniform. Although Patrick said he "did not specifically ask Coach for a trade," he did seem to choose his words carefully. I would bet Mr. Sexton is attempting to gauge his value as we speak. Again, it is unlikely that a trade happens until after the season, but it is not out of the question. The Redskins did pull the trigger on the Schroeder for Lachey deal just about this time of year if memory serves me. Schroeder was unhappy and we had needs. So where do we find a willing participant to play the Al Davis in this scenario and what is the most glaring need? I for one would love to see a pure pass rusher. Can you imagine the impact of a great defensive end? Not that Schroeder was a bust, or that Patrick is for that matter, but the Lachey deal sure worked for us. The ingredients are much the same, 1)Disgruntled QB 2)Coaching staff that has lost, or never had, faith in said QB 3)Potential locker-room disaster (see ey's comments) Maybe the time is right to move Patrick.

gregory smith wrote:3)Potential locker-room disaster (see ey's comments)

:hmm: Got any quotes/sources to go with that statement?

The Lachey/Schroeder deal happened pre-salary cap era. You will never see those kind of deals again.

The Times. It wasn't really a big deal. He said he would be pissed if it happened to him. I would be upset also, I understand that, but Chris needs to be careful with his comments. A win Monday would cure all.

Yeah, it was pre salary cap, but Ramsey is tradeable from a cap standpoint. I suppose finding a willing participant with a workable cap number would be tough, but you can't say those deals will never happen again. Bailey for Portis?

a more important question is; even if we could trade ramsey, who is our no. 2 qb? campbell? not yet. so then we have to scour the bottom of the preverbial unemployed qb toilet and pick one. and kordell stewart is gone. look at what that says about the quality that's out there.

if patrick goes, it'll be in the offseason, and we'll pick another veteran qb to back up brunell.

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:

gregory smith wrote:3)Potential locker-room disaster (see ey's comments)

:hmm: Got any quotes/sources to go with that statement?

http://washingtontimes.com/sports/20050 ... -8826r.htm

Although most Redskins players weren't surprised by the switch, H-back Chris ey and defensive end Renaldo Wynn said the quick hook was unexpected.
"It's tough [for Ramsey], especially since it's the first week," said ey, who was one of the quarterback's favorite targets. "He's been planning on starting the season. I would be [ticked] right now if I played and got ready all [preseason] and then it happens in one game. It would be hard for me to say, 'OK, you go ahead and play.'?"

Thought I'd lend a hand as I saw this too and it concerned me. The report of Foxsports also quoted another unnamed player as "being angry" with the move.

SkinsHead56 wrote:

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:

gregory smith wrote:3)Potential locker-room disaster (see ey's comments)

:hmm: Got any quotes/sources to go with that statement?

http://washingtontimes.com/sports/20050 ... -8826r.htm

Although most Redskins players weren't surprised by the switch, H-back Chris ey and defensive end Renaldo Wynn said the quick hook was unexpected.
"It's tough [for Ramsey], especially since it's the first week," said ey, who was one of the quarterback's favorite targets. "He's been planning on starting the season. I would be [ticked] right now if I played and got ready all [preseason] and then it happens in one game. It would be hard for me to say, 'OK, you go ahead and play.'?"

Thought I'd lend a hand as I saw this too and it concerned me. The report of Foxsports also quoted another unnamed player as "being angry" with the move.

why on earth would it be surprising that they would be angry with the move? cooley has great chemistry with ramsey, and knows his numbers are probably going to decline significantly now. the new WRs probably saw film of brunell last year and are rightfully freaking out. the rest of the team actually went through the experience and are probably having nightmares about brunell being under center. you can't imagine that the collective hope of the team wouldn't plummet straight into the ground.

now, who knows maybe brunell will play well and dispell all that. but chances are the whole team probably feels pretty down about this move.

die cowboys die wrote:but chances are the whole team probably feels pretty down about this move.

are you in the locker room?

I disagree that they all would feel down about this move. These guys are professionals and I feel they have behaved that way.

I think that if anything, if I were on the team, I'd feel a little motivated.

It's a business baby!

I say we wait until Monday to find out.

..fight for old dc

BringThePain! wrote:

die cowboys die wrote:but chances are the whole team probably feels pretty down about this move.

are you in the locker room?

heh heh. when i saw this i thought of those nfl gear commercials where the guys are hiding in the blocking sled and dirty laundry bin and such.

.. i thought of those nfl gear commercials where the guys are hiding in the blocking sled and dirty laundry bin and such.

interesting that the guy they selected for the commercial is such a loser. Now I'm sure you were not trying to disparage one of our respected board members even if the idea that he was trying to espouse made absolutely no sense at all!!!!

die cowboys die wrote:..now, who knows maybe brunell will play well and dispell all that..

I think Mr Gibbs probably has an idea about that - NO I think he knows what he is doing. I also think that the players are going to do everything they can to win this game no matter who is the QB.

We have a team here now. Joe does not tolerate players who do not play together and place the team above everything else.

hkiss444 wrote:The Lachey/Schroeder deal happened pre-salary cap era. You will never see those kind of deals again.

Ogunelye for Booker, Portis baily, no they still happen

John Manfreda wrote:

hkiss444 wrote:The Lachey/Schroeder deal happened pre-salary cap era. You will never see those kind of deals again.

Ogunelye for Booker, Portis baily, no they still happen

I believe it happened DURING the season. That is rare nowadays.

BEAT DALLAS!!!

I do not see this posted anywhere. Here is another Len Pasquarelli article for Sep. 18, 2005, 3:00 PM ET. Talking about trading Ramsey.


In a city where a sitting president actually debated the meaning of the while under oath, and where people study every inflection and nuance of every syllable, Washington Redskins quarterback Patrick Ramsey and coach Joe Gibbs turned very political last week. Ramsey denied, sort of, a report by ESPN's Chris Mortensen that he had asked to be traded following his Monday demotion from the starting lineup. Gibbs followed up by insisting Ramsey never made a trade request. But take this to the bank, courtesy of a pretty unimpeachable source: Ramsey, upset at being yanked after less than one half of football, and replaced by Mark Brunell, asked to be traded.


Oh, he might not have used the precise term trade, and that was convenient, since it then permitted him and Gibbs to publicly banter semantics. Ramsey might have said something like, "I think it's time to move me." Or maybe, "It would be best for everyone, Coach, if you dealt me to another team." In sports lingo, those buzzwords are tantamount to asking for a trade. C'mon, guys, we aren't rubes. Among the several admirable traits of Ramsey is his unflagging loyalty. Or at least his ability to bite his tongue. Under the current coaching staff, which traded for Brunell in the spring of 2004 and then swapped three draft choices for the opportunity to select Jason Campbell as the quarterback of the future, Ramsey has been nothing but screwed over. To be fair, he hasn't helped his own cause with his inconsistency and turnovers, no denying that. But the Gibbs staff has systematically undermined Ramsey, and eroded his confidence, and now it's made him the scapegoat for an offense that remains out of touch.

Gibbs was looking for any crack in Ramsey's armor to make a quarterback switch, and Ramsey provided it Sunday, first with a turnover, and then with a neck injury. Why the Redskins even started the season with Ramsey at the top of the depth chart, especially after Brunell had played markedly better in camp and preseason, is pretty amazing. Clearly, he was on about the shortest leash in NFL history. More like a choke collar, it seems, in retrospect. The best thing for all parties involved would be a trade. The problem there is that Ramsey's market value now has been diminished. A year ago, when the Redskins dealt for Brunell, five or six teams would have taken Ramsey, among them the Miami Dolphins, who subsequently acquired A.J. Feeley. But now, with the season having begun, the Redskins would find it difficult to trade Ramsey, period, let alone get anything remotely resembling market value. Which means Ramsey, unless he changes his mind and publicly pressures the franchise into a corner, figures to be little more than an expensive clipboard jockey for the balance of the season.

It will be interesting to see what transpires if (when?) Brunell is injured at some point. Even some in the organization privately concede the odds of his making it through the rest of the season unscathed are not good. Would the Redskins go back to Ramsey or simply begin the Campbell era? For now, Ramsey is working with the second unit. But we're hearing it won't be much longer until Ramsey is actually No. 3 on the depth chart. And it's a good bet that once the Redskins are eliminated from playoff contention, Campbell is going to get some starts.

ESPN moved most of his columns (including Tip Sheet) to their dreaded "ESPN Insider" page so they can make more money off of subscriber fees (like they did last year with Chris Mortensen). Never mind all of the commercials that you have endure on their website already. If I wasn't so addicted to ESPN.com, I would organize a boycott.

After last night I am more convinced than ever. Trade Ramsey for a pass rusher. Ramsey's days as a Redskin are numbered and we never laid a glove on Bledsoe. Is there a scenario where we could help ourselves?

gregory smith wrote:After last night I am more convinced than ever. Trade Ramsey for a pass rusher. Ramsey's days as a Redskin are numbered and we never laid a glove on Bledsoe. Is there a scenario where we could help ourselves?

This morning they were discussing this on the radio. Despite not "laying a glove" on Bledsoe, the D did more than enought to shut down their running game, and applied enough pressure in other areas to keep the game close.

The COwboys expected a blitz-happy atack, and Greg flipped the script on them, going quite vanilla. There gameplan had to go out the window, and the D turned it up when we had the lead, resulting in a win.

WE BEAT DALLAS!!!