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Trent Green the Qb of the No.1 offense, made the pro bowl

Brad Johnson, took the Bucs to the superbowl and won

Rich Gannon NFL mvp and took the Raiders to the superbowl and No.1 offense

Gus Ferrote- he is doing jpretty well now with Miami.

Our franchise is a place were Qb's are doomed for failure or the good ones leave and become good somewhere else. Apparently that is Ramsey's fate.

Attention NFL GMs! Step right up and get yourself a bonafide superstar QB - guaranteed - only a 2nd round pick required, already taught, and he's all yours...hello? Anybody out there? A 3rd rounder?

You forgot Heath Schuler, we TOTALLY f-d up letting him go

and Sage Rosenfels, and Danny Weurful, Shane Matthews, Tony Blake. . .

I can't believe you used Gus Frerotte for an example...

BringThePain! wrote:I can't believe you used Gus Frerotte for an example...

See, Manfreda is so deeply depressed that his defintion of "pretty good" is "not slamming your head into a concrete wall" so Gus is lighting it up.

Let's not forget Stan Humphries.

Fios wrote:You forgot Heath Schuler, we TOTALLY f-d up letting him go

Redskin_fan wrote:Let's not forget Stan Humphries.

I forgot he Qb'd the Chargers to the superbowl, something our Qb's have failed to do since 93 and closest was Brad Johnson who got kicked out and than took our team to the superbowl.

Don't forget Todd Husak winning the NFL MVP three years in a row, and being everyones favorite fantasy football player.

BringThePain! wrote:I can't believe you used Gus Frerotte for an example...

John Manfreda wrote:

Redskin_fan wrote:Let's not forget Stan Humphries.

I forgot he Qb'd the Chargers to the superbowl, something our Qb's have failed to do since 93 and closest was Brad Johnson who got kicked out and than took our team to the superbowl.

What?

Soooo......Tampa Bay is your team.

That explains alot. It's all starting to come together.

Thanks.

John Manfreda wrote:Trent Green the Qb of the No.1 offense, made the pro bowl

Brad Johnson, took the Bucs to the superbowl and won

Rich Gannon NFL mvp and took the Raiders to the superbowl and No.1 offense

Gus Ferrote- he is doing jpretty well now with Miami.

Our franchise is a place were Qb's are doomed for failure or the good ones leave and become good somewhere else. Apparently that is Ramsey's fate.

cvillehog and i were just talking about this last night. of course, we both agreed that gus is not a good example.

in fact the tampa/oakland superbowl featured two former 'skins QBs facing each other. maybe this year will be trent green vs... who do we have out there in the NFC?

Tim Hasselbeck

die cowboys die wrote:

John Manfreda wrote:Trent Green the Qb of the No.1 offense, made the pro bowl

Brad Johnson, took the Bucs to the superbowl and won

Rich Gannon NFL mvp and took the Raiders to the superbowl and No.1 offense

Gus Ferrote- he is doing jpretty well now with Miami.

Our franchise is a place were Qb's are doomed for failure or the good ones leave and become good somewhere else. Apparently that is Ramsey's fate.

cvillehog and i were just talking about this last night. of course, we both agreed that gus is not a good example.

in fact the tampa/oakland superbowl featured two former 'skins QBs facing each other. maybe this year will be trent green vs... who do we have out there in the NFC?

That might all change, he looked good on sunday as Miami's starter and if he keeps that up, than he could very well turn into one. The point is the city is too hard on our Qb's. Look at Ramsey's carrer rookie, the second year the losing season was not his fault it was Spurrier's and the D-cooridnator, Spurrier even said that he quit on the team half way through the year, how is a Qb suppose to succed when a coach already quit on a team half way through the year, last year Brunell blew it not Ramsey, he has never even been given a chance to prove he is the problem or even be the solution. If you said the Redskins have given him a fair chance your full of (you know what).

Dont forget about Jeff George and Gibran Hamden. Manfreda you are a genius.

the Saints, & Carolina had Kerry Collins

the Bucs had Doug Williams and Steve Young

the Falcons had Brett Favre

the Chargers had Michael Vick & Eli Manning

the Colts had John Elway

the Vikings & Chiefs had Rich Gannon

the Broncos, Bengals, Lions, & Vikings had Gus Frerotte.. (hey, if he gets to use him.. I do too )

blah, blah, blah, yada, yada, yada... all that means jack... it's football.. some players play better in different situations...

and all the QB's that you guys mentioned only led there teams to the Super Bowl one year... none of them are HOF...

this whole thing is just something else to bitch about... it's like the ya-ya sisterhood in here

Tony Banks

hey, guess what? lost in the midst of all the brilliant posts listing lousy ex-skins QBs is the fact that no one EVER suggested that every single QB the redskins have EVER had was a great QB. to steer the conversation that way is the kind of circumventive reasoning that people resort to when they are either too ignorant or too stubborn to look at the real facts of the issue at hand.

don't ask me what that issue is though. in the midst of all this arguing i've forgotten.

and all the QB's that you guys mentioned only led there teams to the Super Bowl one year... none of them are HOF...

The superbowl, a place none of our Qb's even went. Every time we get a good Qb we run him out of town. Our last good one for more than one year was Theisman. That is pathetic. Stan Humpheries wasn't a hall of Famer but he was good enough, Sage is actually climbing up the Miami depth chart, that is good for a later round pick, Brad wasn't great but he was good enough to win the superbowl, Rich Gannon wasn't great but he was good enough. The problem isn't our Qb's its our organazation. All those teams had Gus but they wanted him as a backup and he did well in Detroit, Denver, and Minnesota, Cincy (who didn't fail in Cincy before Marvin). If we stuck with Brad with the 100 million team we probably would have made the playoffs. He was not the problem and it showed when he left and what the Skins have accomplished when he left.

Lets's not forget mitchell was a good punt return spec. I did pretty good for us. maybe one home run or two a year. he goes to the eagles and does better. Chad Morton does miserably well. instead of running north/south he runs east/west. The only kick returner to get the most yards in a game and lose yards. but he goes to the Giants and hits a home run? I am a avid beliver that our coaching on sp teams sucks. other teams set up blocks better. runners get holes yardage is made. Our pt returners signal fair catch.ALOT!

As for the way it seems to shape up for our past quarterbacks. I'm one who has also noticed this trend. I'm beginning to think maybe it could be a curse of some type. Maybe it's Jack Kent Cooke's way of getting back at the Redsakins for allowing his team to be taken over by Dan the Man.

FanfromAnnapolis wrote:...and Danny Weurful...

Stop it, FFA. I'm still tryin'to get over that one. It's just too soon...