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Meh, we had 12 win seasons with Thrash and ToothPink. 3 of them. One of them when half the starting D was on IR (we had farging Marco Coleman playing DE). Lewis and Brown are upgrades over the former. I say we can win 11-12 games without TO. Probably win more with him, sure, but who farging cares? Once we lock up the No1 seed, the total number of wins is irrelevant. I'd love to see the Birds get to the SB without him.

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Hey, I wanted to clear up a few things here. There is a lot of misinformation being spread in this thread:

FACTS:

1. The Redskins defense gave up less points than the Philly D did last year. Overall the Redskins AS A TEAM gave up 265 points last year while the Eagles gave up 260. However, Philly had one TD scored against it because of an int. Six TDs were scored against the 'Skins while the defense was not on the field (one PR, one KR, one int, and three fumbles). So, therefore, the Eagles D surrendered 253 pts or 15.8 pts/game, and the 'Skins D only gave up 223 pts (tied with the Steelers for least in the league) or 13.9 pts/game. Therefore, statistically the Redskins defense was better than the Philly D in EVERY statistical category.

2. Many people in this thread have attacked 'Skins fans who said that Gregg Williams set Carlos Rogers up to get beat deep. Well, those of you who said that those fans were being delusional obviously know very little about Gregg Williams. He was in fact trying to expose Rogers as much as possible. This is what he has always done and he said he would do it before the game! I couldn't find a quote from this year but here's one from last year:


Quote
Redskins defensive coordinator Gregg Williams told us before the Rams game that he wanted rookie safety Sean Taylor to get beat deep a couple of times against the Rams. Say what? But Williams said that Taylor did not have enough respect for the speed of NFL receivers and he wanted the Rams to run by him a couple of times. Williams wanted Taylor to learn this lesson in the preseason instead of on opening day.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/7639648

Or how about this from the Carolina game two weeks ago when our entire secondary was held out because of injuries:


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The Redskins gave up 28 points to Carolina last week, but Williams said the chance to see young players against the Panthers' first two units was ideal.
"From an evaluation standpoint, we couldn't have scripted it any better," he said. "I always laugh and shake my head when people try to make an opinion on somebody that plays at the end of preseason games against somebody that won't make an NFL team. You have to play against NFL-type players. We had a chance to move guys up and get them in those situations, and you'll see it again [tonight]."

http://washingtontimes.com/sports/20050 ... -4629r.htm

In addition, the day BEFORE the Cincy game this thread was started, Don't Trash Carlos Rogers Too Much. Anyone who has ever actively followed Gregg Williams knows that this is how he brings rookies into the league, we all knew what was going to happen before the game even happened. So don't be so hostile to the fans that wrote that stuff, they actually know a lot more than you ignorant haters.

3. The Redskins offense is completely different than last year. Last year we couldn't move the ball, period. Our passing game was particularly poor. This preseason we have the number two passing offense and our two starting recievers are both averaging over 19 yds/catch so that certainly shows improvement. The entire offense has being completely revamped. Don't say Gibbs is past it because he has made a lot of changes. Anyone who is old enough will remember that the thing that really set him apart was his ability to learn and adapt to any situation. You can't say that a guy who has been away for 12 years has lost it after one season. Just wait and see what our offense is like this year.

Our running game is also much better. Against Cincy and Pittsburg (last year's number one run defense in total yards given up - of course WE gave up the least yds/carry thought) we rushed for over 5 yds/carry. Against Pittsburg we ran for over 100yds in the first half against their first string D. In the previous two games against you and Miami they gave up 26 yards of rushing in the first halves of those two games combined! In both of those games the first string D came out before the half thus making it easier to rack up rushing yards too. Our o-line also gave up a total of ZERO sacks against Carolina and Pittsburg, two of the best pass-rushing teams in football. Of course, all of this is preseason, I'm just trying to give you a head's up that the offense has changed a great deal, this isn't the same dink and dunk O we had last year.

4. The Redskins have sold out every game for the last 38 years, the longest streak in the NFL, and they do it with by far the biggest stadium in football. Your arguments about 'Skins fans make no sense. If someone supports their team they're a blind homer but then if they sell their tickets they aren't real fans. Wow, great logic there.

5. The main problem I have about this thread though is that you all just want to rub it in everyone's faces. You guys are better, I'll give you that - probably the best team in the NFL. The 'Skins have been a very poor team for many years, fine. But still, you're so uncivil and abusive. Nobody likes a bad winner. In fact, if you're going to trash us, why don't I trash you. So here are some facts. We've won three SBs, how many have you won?

You may say I'm clinging onto history but I don't think so. Right now, in the present, you guys can't win despite being rated as the best team in the NFC every year. What's up with that guys? You're not even the Buffalo Bills! At least they MADE it to the SB four times in a row. Last year you doubled your total of SB appearences. Face it, you can't win when it's important, can you, and that just makes you the most visable losers in the country. Every year, everyone in the country points and laughs at you because you always fail on the biggest stage. Every year, we are the offseason winners WHILE YOU ARE THE POSTSEASON LOSERS!!! And yet, you're so proud of yourselves. Awesome, you guys are $15 million under the cap, good job. Why don't you stop being so damn cheap and try to actually win sometime! Being cheap isn't something to be proud of.

In fact, now I understand why you like to point and laugh. It's because you're so insecure with yourselves. You can't actually win the big one so instaed you need to laugh at organizations who have to make yourselves feel better about your ultimate failure.

hkHog wrote:Here's what I wrote:

Hey, I wanted to clear up a few things here. There is a lot of misinformation being spread in this thread:

FACTS:

1. The Redskins defense gave up less points than the Philly D did last year. Overall the Redskins AS A TEAM gave up 265 points last year while the Eagles gave up 260. However, Philly had one TD scored against it because of an int. Six TDs were scored against the 'Skins while the defense was not on the field (one PR, one KR, one int, and three fumbles). So, therefore, the Eagles D surrendered 253 pts or 15.8 pts/game, and the 'Skins D only gave up 223 pts (tied with the Steelers for least in the league) or 13.9 pts/game. Therefore, statistically the Redskins defense was better than the Philly D in EVERY statistical category.

2. Many people in this thread have attacked 'Skins fans who said that Gregg Williams set Carlos Rogers up to get beat deep. Well, those of you who said that those fans were being delusional obviously know very little about Gregg Williams. He was in fact trying to expose Rogers as much as possible. This is what he has always done and he said he would do it before the game! I couldn't find a quote from this year but here's one from last year:


Quote
Redskins defensive coordinator Gregg Williams told us before the Rams game that he wanted rookie safety Sean Taylor to get beat deep a couple of times against the Rams. Say what? But Williams said that Taylor did not have enough respect for the speed of NFL receivers and he wanted the Rams to run by him a couple of times. Williams wanted Taylor to learn this lesson in the preseason instead of on opening day.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/7639648

Or how about this from the Carolina game two weeks ago when our entire secondary was held out because of injuries:


Quote
The Redskins gave up 28 points to Carolina last week, but Williams said the chance to see young players against the Panthers' first two units was ideal.
"From an evaluation standpoint, we couldn't have scripted it any better," he said. "I always laugh and shake my head when people try to make an opinion on somebody that plays at the end of preseason games against somebody that won't make an NFL team. You have to play against NFL-type players. We had a chance to move guys up and get them in those situations, and you'll see it again [tonight]."

http://washingtontimes.com/sports/20050 ... -4629r.htm

In addition, the day BEFORE the Cincy game this thread was started, Don't Trash Carlos Rogers Too Much. Anyone who has ever actively followed Gregg Williams knows that this is how he brings rookies into the league, we all knew what was going to happen before the game even happened. So don't be so hostile to the fans that wrote that stuff, they actually know a lot more than you ignorant haters.

3. The Redskins offense is completely different than last year. Last year we couldn't move the ball, period. Our passing game was particularly poor. This preseason we have the number two passing offense and our two starting recievers are both averaging over 19 yds/catch so that certainly shows improvement. The entire offense has being completely revamped. Don't say Gibbs is past it because he has made a lot of changes. Anyone who is old enough will remember that the thing that really set him apart was his ability to learn and adapt to any situation. You can't say that a guy who has been away for 12 years has lost it after one season. Just wait and see what our offense is like this year.

Our running game is also much better. Against Cincy and Pittsburg (last year's number one run defense in total yards given up - of course WE gave up the least yds/carry thought) we rushed for over 5 yds/carry. Against Pittsburg we ran for over 100yds in the first half against their first string D. In the previous two games against you and Miami they gave up 26 yards of rushing in the first halves of those two games combined! In both of those games the first string D came out before the half thus making it easier to rack up rushing yards too. Our o-line also gave up a total of ZERO sacks against Carolina and Pittsburg, two of the best pass-rushing teams in football. Of course, all of this is preseason, I'm just trying to give you a head's up that the offense has changed a great deal, this isn't the same dink and dunk O we had last year.

4. The Redskins have sold out every game for the last 38 years, the longest streak in the NFL, and they do it with by far the biggest stadium in football. Your arguments about 'Skins fans make no sense. If someone supports their team they're a blind homer but then if they sell their tickets they aren't real fans. Wow, great logic there.

5. The main problem I have about this thread though is that you all just want to rub it in everyone's faces. You guys are better, I'll give you that - probably the best team in the NFL. The 'Skins have been a very poor team for many years, fine. But still, you're so uncivil and abusive. Nobody likes a bad winner. In fact, if you're going to trash us, why don't I trash you. So here are some facts. We've won three SBs, how many have you won?

You may say I'm clinging onto history but I don't think so. Right now, in the present, you guys can't win despite being rated as the best team in the NFC every year. What's up with that guys? You're not even the Buffalo Bills! At least they MADE it to the SB four times in a row. Last year you doubled your total of SB appearences. Face it, you can't win when it's important, can you, and that just makes you the most visable losers in the country. Every year, everyone in the country points and laughs at you because you always fail on the biggest stage. Every year, we are the offseason winners WHILE YOU ARE THE POSTSEASON LOSERS!!! And yet, you're so proud of yourselves. Awesome, you guys are $15 million under the cap, good job. Why don't you stop being so damn cheap and try to actually win sometime! Being cheap isn't something to be proud of.

In fact, now I understand why you like to point and laugh. It's because you're so insecure with yourselves. You can't actually win the big one so instaed you need to laugh at organizations who have to make yourselves feel better about your ultimate failure.

hkHog wrote:Here's what I wrote:

Hey, I wanted to clear up a few things here. There is a lot of misinformation being spread in this thread:

FACTS:

1. The Redskins defense gave up less points than the Philly D did last year. Overall the Redskins AS A TEAM gave up 265 points last year while the Eagles gave up 260. However, Philly had one TD scored against it because of an int. Six TDs were scored against the 'Skins while the defense was not on the field (one PR, one KR, one int, and three fumbles). So, therefore, the Eagles D surrendered 253 pts or 15.8 pts/game, and the 'Skins D only gave up 223 pts (tied with the Steelers for least in the league) or 13.9 pts/game. Therefore, statistically the Redskins defense was better than the Philly D in EVERY statistical category.

2. Many people in this thread have attacked 'Skins fans who said that Gregg Williams set Carlos Rogers up to get beat deep. Well, those of you who said that those fans were being delusional obviously know very little about Gregg Williams. He was in fact trying to expose Rogers as much as possible. This is what he has always done and he said he would do it before the game! I couldn't find a quote from this year but here's one from last year:


Quote
Redskins defensive coordinator Gregg Williams told us before the Rams game that he wanted rookie safety Sean Taylor to get beat deep a couple of times against the Rams. Say what? But Williams said that Taylor did not have enough respect for the speed of NFL receivers and he wanted the Rams to run by him a couple of times. Williams wanted Taylor to learn this lesson in the preseason instead of on opening day.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/7639648

Or how about this from the Carolina game two weeks ago when our entire secondary was held out because of injuries:


Quote
The Redskins gave up 28 points to Carolina last week, but Williams said the chance to see young players against the Panthers' first two units was ideal.
"From an evaluation standpoint, we couldn't have scripted it any better," he said. "I always laugh and shake my head when people try to make an opinion on somebody that plays at the end of preseason games against somebody that won't make an NFL team. You have to play against NFL-type players. We had a chance to move guys up and get them in those situations, and you'll see it again [tonight]."

http://washingtontimes.com/sports/20050 ... -4629r.htm

In addition, the day BEFORE the Cincy game this thread was started, Don't Trash Carlos Rogers Too Much. Anyone who has ever actively followed Gregg Williams knows that this is how he brings rookies into the league, we all knew what was going to happen before the game even happened. So don't be so hostile to the fans that wrote that stuff, they actually know a lot more than you ignorant haters.

3. The Redskins offense is completely different than last year. Last year we couldn't move the ball, period. Our passing game was particularly poor. This preseason we have the number two passing offense and our two starting recievers are both averaging over 19 yds/catch so that certainly shows improvement. The entire offense has being completely revamped. Don't say Gibbs is past it because he has made a lot of changes. Anyone who is old enough will remember that the thing that really set him apart was his ability to learn and adapt to any situation. You can't say that a guy who has been away for 12 years has lost it after one season. Just wait and see what our offense is like this year.

Our running game is also much better. Against Cincy and Pittsburg (last year's number one run defense in total yards given up - of course WE gave up the least yds/carry thought) we rushed for over 5 yds/carry. Against Pittsburg we ran for over 100yds in the first half against their first string D. In the previous two games against you and Miami they gave up 26 yards of rushing in the first halves of those two games combined! In both of those games the first string D came out before the half thus making it easier to rack up rushing yards too. Our o-line also gave up a total of ZERO sacks against Carolina and Pittsburg, two of the best pass-rushing teams in football. Of course, all of this is preseason, I'm just trying to give you a head's up that the offense has changed a great deal, this isn't the same dink and dunk O we had last year.

4. The Redskins have sold out every game for the last 38 years, the longest streak in the NFL, and they do it with by far the biggest stadium in football. Your arguments about 'Skins fans make no sense. If someone supports their team they're a blind homer but then if they sell their tickets they aren't real fans. Wow, great logic there.

5. The main problem I have about this thread though is that you all just want to rub it in everyone's faces. You guys are better, I'll give you that - probably the best team in the NFL. The 'Skins have been a very poor team for many years, fine. But still, you're so uncivil and abusive. Nobody likes a bad winner. In fact, if you're going to trash us, why don't I trash you. So here are some facts. We've won three SBs, how many have you won?

You may say I'm clinging onto history but I don't think so. Right now, in the present, you guys can't win despite being rated as the best team in the NFC every year. What's up with that guys? You're not even the Buffalo Bills! At least they MADE it to the SB four times in a row. Last year you doubled your total of SB appearences. Face it, you can't win when it's important, can you, and that just makes you the most visable losers in the country. Every year, everyone in the country points and laughs at you because you always fail on the biggest stage. Every year, we are the offseason winners WHILE YOU ARE THE POSTSEASON LOSERS!!! And yet, you're so proud of yourselves. Awesome, you guys are $15 million under the cap, good job. Why don't you stop being so damn cheap and try to actually win sometime! Being cheap isn't something to be proud of.

In fact, now I understand why you like to point and laugh. It's because you're so insecure with yourselves. You can't actually win the big one so instaed you need to laugh at organizations who have to make yourselves feel better about your ultimate failure.

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King Cali Skin wrote:Hey 1fan4ramsey, you Ramsey groupie
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Whats up with the personal attack?

He just linked the page, I doubt he has any knowledge as to whats embedded within that page. I think your issues are with that site and not him.

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Chris Luva Luva wrote:

King Cali Skin wrote:Hey 1fan4ramsey, you Ramsey groupie
The link opened up virus detection, man...

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Whats up with the personal attack?

He just linked the page, I doubt he has any knowledge as to whats embedded within that page. I think your issues are with that site and not him.

Punu wrote:Philly fan is incapable of understanding rational thought. Sure they may be intelligent, civic minded human beings in the normal course of their life.