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Ramsey and Brees

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:39 am
by floridaskinsfan
Aug. 8, 2005
By Clark Judge
CBS SportsLine.com Senior Writer

BALTIMORE -- The consensus around Washington is that quarterback Patrick Ramsey is as much a sitting duck as he is a lame one.
His coach isn't sold on him. The organization seems to have given up on him. And his successor is sitting to his right, awaiting his chance to step in and effectively end Ramsey's career with the Redskins
But if there's hope for Ramsey, it isn't in his so-so play during last weekend's scrimmage with Baltimore; it's in last season's performance by an embattled quarterback. And I'm not talking about Patrick Ramsey here.
I'm talking about Drew Brees.
The San Diego quarterback was in the same boat as Ramsey, with the Chargers drafting Philip Rivers to take his place. Only Brees never gave Rivers the chance, leading San Diego to the playoffs and earning the league's comeback player of the year award.
Now he starts, Rivers watches and the question is out there to ask: Can Patrick Ramsey be this year's Drew Brees?
"I think with the changes we made, that's my goal," said Ramsey. "Not only to play as well as he did last year but to get our team to the playoffs -- and I think we have the talent to do so."
Ramsey is in the minority there. The Redskins, who finished 6-10 a year ago, are a popular pick to finish fourth in their division -- largely because there's little faith in Ramsey or the passing game. But look where people had San Diego ticketed a year ago. The Chargers were considered not only the worst team in the AFC West; they were considered one of the worst in football.
Yet they won the division and made it to the playoffs for the first time since 1995. Patrick Ramsey, pay attention.
What I like about (Brees) is that he really thrived under that pressure," he said. "I don't think had he not done it I would have felt it was any less attainable. But the fact that it happened so recently in such a similar situation, then obviously you can point to it and say, Hey, that can definitely happen."
The odds are against it, but they were against Brees, too. The Chargers hadn't had a winning season since 1995, and Brees was coming off an underwhelming year. Washington hasn't had a winning season since 1999, and Ramsey -- in his fourth year, as Brees was a year ago -- did so little to ingratiate himself to the coaching staff that Washington chose Auburn quarterback Jason Campbell with the 25th pick of this year's draft.
The idea is to make Campbell the starter. The only question: When? You had better check with Ramsey. He will have plenty to do with the decision.
"To be perfectly honest with you, the situation is not that tough for me," Ramsey said. "If I play well, all that takes care of itself. If I don't play well then I don't deserve to be on the football field. You don't want a quick leash or anything like that, but if you're playing poorly you can't expect to have every opportunity to play."
It's too soon to get a read on Ramsey, but coaches and teammates like what they've seen in practices. He had little opportunity to excel in Saturday's scrimmage, spending much of his time avoiding a furious Baltimore pass rush, but coaches believe he's making faster, smarter decisions with the football this summer -- and that, along with an improved offensive line and a change of wide receivers, could boost the league's 29th-ranked passing attack.
"Now, hopefully, he'll have a chance to take some shots down the field," said assistant head coach Gregg Williams. "The one thing I've seen him do is he's dropping off the ball underneath better in practices than at anytime last year. And he's letting his team around him do more for him instead of feeling the pressure of having to do it himself."
Despite what Ramsey said, there is pressure. Brees felt it a year ago. Ramsey will feel it in the weeks and months ahead. It's how he responds that will determine his future, and maybe the future of the Washington Redskins.
"There is no better opportunity than what I have to come in here and start for this team with a great defense, two great receivers and a great running back," said Ramsey. "I feel like I have the opportunity of a lifetime."

Re: Ramsey and Brees

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 10:05 am
by SkinsJock
Aug. 8, 2005 By Clark Judge
CBS SportsLine.com Senior Writer

This is not a good start! If this is a "senior writer"! We have at least 3 at THN who are "better" or more senior!
The consensus around Washington is that quarterback Patrick Ramsey is as much a sitting duck as he is a lame one.

Say what? Not here!
His coach isn't sold on him. The organization seems to have given up on him.

That is BS!
But if there's hope for Ramsey, it isn't in his so-so play during last weekend's scrimmage with Baltimore

This after 1 week of camp AND it's a scrimmage!
"I think with the changes we made, that's my goal," said Ramsey. "Not only to play as well as he did last year but to get our team to the playoffs -- and I think we have the talent to do so." Ramsey is in the minority there.

I think that most people would disagree with that assessment. I mean even our own "anti" fans want us in the playoffs!
The Redskins, who finished 6-10 a year ago, are a popular pick to finish fourth in their division -- largely because there's little faith in Ramsey or the passing game.
This is stupid! Maybe in our division! I think the FO here feel that we have improved to a great degree on offense or they would have addressed it differently in the off season!
But look where people had San Diego ticketed a year ago. The Chargers were considered not only the worst team in the AFC West; they were considered one of the worst in football.
This is one of the "experts" who picked them that low! Why not admit that most of what he writes turns out to be wrong?
Ramsey -- in his fourth year..did so little to ingratiate himself to the coaching staff that Washington chose Auburn quarterback Jason Campbell with the 25th pick of this year's draft.
This is not how Gibbs works! We all know that Gibbs sees a "future QB" in Jason and is prepared to take the time to "get him up to speed"!
The idea is to make Campbell the starter. The only question: When?
Agreed! BUT for the future not this year!
"To be perfectly honest with you, the situation is not that tough for me," Ramsey said. "If I play well, all that takes care of itself. If I don't play well then I don't deserve to be on the football field. You don't want a quick leash or anything like that, but if you're playing poorly you can't expect to have every opportunity to play."

Now how "revealing" is that gem?
coaches believe he's making faster, smarter decisions with the football this summer -- and that, along with an improved offensive line and a change of wide receivers, could boost the league's 29th-ranked passing attack.

WOW - it took this long to come out with this?
"Now, hopefully, he'll have a chance to take some shots down the field," said assistant head coach Gregg Williams. "The one thing I've seen him do is he's dropping off the ball underneath better in practices than at anytime last year. And he's letting his team around him do more for him instead of feeling the pressure of having to do it himself."

This is a bad thing?
Despite what Ramsey said, there is pressure.

This is the NFL and most coaches like to think that everyone is making the best effort to keep their jobs - GEEZ! The pressure is always on at this level!
It's how he responds that will determine his future, and maybe the future of the Washington Redskins.
"There is no better opportunity than what I have to come in here and start for this team with a great defense, two great receivers and a great running back," said Ramsey. "I feel like I have the opportunity of a lifetime."
Now how hard was that to write and why could this article not have been written in a positive tone?

I do not think any of our team reads this trash but it sure makes for some interesting fodder for the rest of us!

Also makes 2 points - we have the best "views" from THN writers and these "beat" guys are (for the most part) just blowing smoke (or smoking it!)

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 10:40 am
by Irn-Bru
Good points, SkinsJock--as always, I really like reading your posts and perspective.


Well, the offseason will soon be over, and hopefully writers will have the opportunity to stop stretching anything and everything into an epic story. Listen to Ramsey talk and you get the true vibe of how things are going--positive, confident, realistic. As fans, we ge to sit back and watch the Skins work some magic.

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 12:54 pm
by Buzz Dog
Clark Judge hates the Skins and loves the Ravens.

Remember, he spent a number of years in Baltimore covering the old Colts. His bias is pretty evident.

Compare his preview of the Skins vs. The Ravens. It is a purple and black lovefest all the way, even agreeing with Ray Ray that he will be league MVP.

On the other hand, he has little positive to say about the Skins. Maybe it's better this way to have expectations a little lower on a national basis.

I get weary of reading the constant Skins bashing on ESPN and CBS. The only thing that will clear that up is a winning season.

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 1:22 pm
by USS Redskin
Buzz Dog is 100% right - The only thing to curb peoples opinions is to WIN!
I dont think its gonna come this year - just my opinion but....
Opinions are like A++ holes - everyone's got one.

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 3:18 pm
by riggofan
All of this stuff about Ramsey irritates me. "His coach isn't sold on him." "The organization seems to have given up on him."

Ramsey has yet to be given a fair shake with this team - I hope that changes this season. He seems to be a tough kid with alot of heart. I think we can win with him.