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Rookie to watch: Jason Campbell
It's not Alex Smith. I don't like the situation the No. 1 pick is going into with the San Francisco 49ers. He's going to get knocked around a lot, and we know that all rookie quarterbacks struggle. Plus he's on the worst team in the NFL.

The kid to watch is Campbell, the second of the Washington Redskins' two first-round picks. They traded up to draft him as their quarterback for the future, but how distant is that future? Is it right now? Is it midseason? We do know that Patrick Ramsey has not worked out as Joe Gibbs' quarterback.

Campbell's situation is a little more intriguing because, ultimately, he could be just as good as Smith.


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No bother to watch him this season. You better get your fill during the preseason. We wont be seeing Campbell until next year at the earliest.

Dream on.

crazyhorse1 wrote:Dream on.

That was in response to what?

If Ramsey struggles and Brunell plays like he did last year, I wouldn't be suprised to see Campbell toward the last quarter of the season...assuming the playoffs have been ruled out. Particularly if they believe the kid is ready and has demonstrated it in camp, pre-season and in practice.

Texas Hog wrote:If Ramsey struggles and Brunell plays like he did last year, I wouldn't be suprised to see Campbell toward the last quarter of the season...assuming the playoffs have been ruled out. Particularly if they believe the kid is ready and has demonstrated it in camp, pre-season and in practice.

It took Gibbs 1/2 the season to bench Brunell. Based off of that, it'll take 1/2 to bench Ramsey, 1/2 to bench Brunell = No room for Campbell.


Now Im not reffering to you Texas but I can't understand how badly people want to see Campbell. To see him we have to have a failing season! Why are some of you so eager to lose?

I understand your logic....and it makes sense.

But, let's assume for the sake of discussion that Campbell impresses in camp and pre-season and Ramsey somewhat struggles and Brunell is just as terrible as he ended up last year. Under that scenario, wouldn't you think Gibbs might give the kid he drafted in the 1st round a shot before suffering through more mediocre play from Ramsey and bumbling by Brunell?

I'm not wanting Ramsey to fail and in fact hope he comes in and plays great (which I feel will be a challenge with a new group of receivers). - I know you weren't referring to me in your comment...but just clarifying my position.

OK, maybe, just maybe, Campbell might play at the mid-season mark, if Ramsey is hurt and that Brunnell can't hack it.

But I disagree with the observers statement that

We do know that Patrick Ramsey has not worked out as Joe Gibbs' quarterback.

We do not know that.

So far, everything suggests that Ramsey looks fine to Gibbs, that Ramsey will get better, that Gibbs expects Campbell to learn (a lot) this year and next, and that Brunnell will be edged aside when Campbell is ready.

So far, it appears that Ramsey has an attitude that Gibbs likes, that Ramsey is smart and learning the position, that Ramsey has the size, strength, and toughness that Gibbs likes.

But the original writer might well be right: Campbell may well be the hidden gem of this year's rookie QB's.

Therefore, all the better for the Redskins to have both Ramsey and Campbell.

One thing I think we can all agree on is that now is the time for Ramsey to shine and produce and win over not only Gibbs but his teammates and us fans as well.

I think even though JCamp is listed as 3rd on the depth chart if Ramsey was to falter he'd go in instead of Brunell. I dont think Gibbs is taking another chance with Brunell unless he starts Peyton Manning'ing people in practice which isn't happening.

Texas Hog wrote:I understand your logic....and it makes sense.

But, let's assume for the sake of discussion that Campbell impresses in camp and pre-season and Ramsey somewhat struggles and Brunell is just as terrible as he ended up last year. Under that scenario, wouldn't you think Gibbs might give the kid he drafted in the 1st round a shot before suffering through more mediocre play from Ramsey and bumbling by Brunell?

I'm not wanting Ramsey to fail and in fact hope he comes in and plays great (which I feel will be a challenge with a new group of receivers). - I know you weren't referring to me in your comment...but just clarifying my position.

I understand what you're saying. Im still not sure if he'd do it. Id rather have a armless midget playing QB for us instead of Brunell... That part of me would rather have Jason in there. However if our season is already lost I dont think he'd put Jason in there. Sure it'd be good experience but we dont know how he would take it mentally. We he become discouraged and lose faith in himself?

Im not sure if Gibbs is worried about winning it all right now. I think he's building a firm foundation and if that means another losing season to prepare for consecutive winning seasons, I think he'll do it.

Im not anymore right than you or anyone else, its all just opinion. I understand yours and it could very well come true. I just dont want Jason to become another Ramsey, in that we rushed his development.

You guys arent't listening. I said "Patrick Ramsey is going to have a PRO BOWL type season".

No QB can just go from coach to caoch, system to system, year after year, and have success in the NFL...especially when the QB has a broken foot during 1 of his 3 years of experience......3 years in which he has spent HALF that time SITTING on the bench.

My Gawd...what do people expect from Patrick. I am simply amazed at all of you who are acting like VULTURES....waiting for Patrick to fail so that Campbell can come in and save the day. Those of you who think that a rookie QB can come in and gain command of Joe Gibbs complicated offense, you must be rookies to this sport.

Joe Gibbs offense is the calculus of offensive schemes. And to top it off...after a 12 year layoff, Gibbs must now reconfigure his offense after 1 year in order to fit the talents of the players he has. Patrick has a full year of digesting the playbook, asking questions, running through the plays, and thinking about it. He is just now getting comfortable with it. Remember, ONE year ago he still had not practiced yet because he had a broken foot. NOW..he has a full year of practice...and a bunch of minicamps and ota's.

Patrick Ramsey is ready! Forget Campbell. He'll never unseat Patrick Ramsey without an injury occuring.

Well said Batman. I'll add yet again, that it doesn't matter what happens on the field this year. The only way Campbell plays is if Gibbs is forced to play him. Meaning injuries to both Brunell and Ramsey and no viable option on the waiver wire....

Gibbs does not want to risk ruining what looks to be a bright future for Campbell by throwing him into the fire.

None of this matters anyway. Ramsey is gonna light it up this year, just you wait and see

Our record will dictate who plays. If we do well Ramsey stays in. If we are in the plyoff hunt and Ramsey gets hurt it will be Brunell. If we are struggling and out of the playoff hunt you will see Campbell.

SKINZ_DOMIN8 wrote:Jason Campbell WILL BE next year's QB. Why do you think Gibbs chose him? To sit on the bench for the rest of his career? As for this year, I think that Ramsey-fans on this site will have no more stupid, lame, unintelligent excuses. He will either perform or continue his stupid decision making. I'm betting on the latter.

But only if there are really bad circumstances will you see Campbell UNLESS Ramsey and Brunell totally stink it up in camp then all bets are off.

Ramsey has to take us to the playoffs otherwise he starts at left bench in 2006.

YOU are precisely the kind of person I was talking about: You actually HOPE that Ramsey will fail just so you can be right.

You talk about stupid and lame decision making, as though rookies should come into the league with some sort of pre packaged download of information that will allow them to make all the right decisions. If Campbell started this year you would be labeling HIS decisions stupid and lame also.

Patrick has never played a 16 game season. He hardly played his rookie year. His 2nd year he played about half a season before he sustained a broken foot. Thats half a season in a system that the coach has acknoledged "doesn't work". And in year number 3...after 16 full starts behind him....Patrick Ramsey was BENCHED in favor of Brunell. Great...he was given the starting job during a losing season in game number 10...allowed to start his next 2 games against Pittsburg and Philly...the 2 best defenses in the NFL.

Anybody who believes that Montana or Manning could have developed into all pros under these circumstances is "lame and stupid". There is a way to develop a QB in the NFL and Patrick Ramsey only began that recently. Patrick has a full season of studying a calculus type playbook and he now has an offensive line and system that will be ready to provide some protection for a change. His decision making will miraculously become near genius when he is not facing 7 man blitzes knocking him off his feet while his slow footed receivers are still trying to get open.

As for why Gibbs drafted Campbell...competition. Gibbs has always had QB controversies and has always had somebody pushing the starter to be better. Gibbs has 4 years left on his contract and now he has Patrick and Campbell for all 4 years. His QB worries are over and he can focus in on other things. Patrick will be injured over the next 4 years for a game or 2 and its always good to have a replacement....just in case. But that replacement won't come this year or next year....unless its a serious injury.

BATMAN wrote:

SKINZ_DOMIN8 wrote:Jason Campbell WILL BE next year's QB. Why do you think Gibbs chose him? To sit on the bench for the rest of his career? As for this year, I think that Ramsey-fans on this site will have no more stupid, lame, unintelligent excuses. He will either perform or continue his stupid decision making. I'm betting on the latter.

But only if there are really bad circumstances will you see Campbell UNLESS Ramsey and Brunell totally stink it up in camp then all bets are off.

Ramsey has to take us to the playoffs otherwise he starts at left bench in 2006.

YOU are precisely the kind of person I was talking about: You actually HOPE that Ramsey will fail just so you can be right.

You talk about stupid and lame decision making, as though rookies should come into the league with some sort of pre packaged download of information that will allow them to make all the right decisions. If Campbell started this year you would be labeling HIS decisions stupid and lame also.

Patrick has never played a 16 game season. He hardly played his rookie year. His 2nd year he played about half a season before he sustained a broken foot. Thats half a season in a system that the coach has acknoledged "doesn't work". And in year number 3...after 16 full starts behind him....Patrick Ramsey was BENCHED in favor of Brunell. Great...he was given the starting job during a losing season in game number 10...allowed to start his next 2 games against Pittsburg and Philly...the 2 best defenses in the NFL.

Anybody who believes that Montana or Manning could have developed into all pros under these circumstances is "lame and stupid". There is a way to develop a QB in the NFL and Patrick Ramsey only began that recently. Patrick has a full season of studying a calculus type playbook and he now has an offensive line and system that will be ready to provide some protection for a change. His decision making will miraculously become near genius when he is not facing 7 man blitzes knocking him off his feet while his slow footed receivers are still trying to get open.

As for why Gibbs drafted Campbell...competition. Gibbs has always had QB controversies and has always had somebody pushing the starter to be better. Gibbs has 4 years left on his contract and now he has Patrick and Campbell for all 4 years. His QB worries are over and he can focus in on other things. Patrick will be injured over the next 4 years for a game or 2 and its always good to have a replacement....just in case. But that replacement won't come this year or next year....unless its a serious injury.

BATMAN what are you objecting to in this post, by the all knowing SKINZ_DOMIN8.
How can you say he is wishing Ramsey will fail so he will be right. I kmow you haven't been around lond but, I'll have you know SKINZ_DOMIN8 is NEVER wrong. He is all knowing and has no need for hope.


If we could figure out what Galaxy he's on then MAYBE we would understand him.
From what I can tell we could win the Super Bowl this year and Ramsey could take every snap, The next day come hell or high water there will be a post by SKINZ_DOMIN8 saying Patrick had nothing to do with anything that was accomplished

DEHog wrote:Our record will dictate who plays. If we do well Ramsey stays in. If we are in the plyoff hunt and Ramsey gets hurt it will be Brunell. If we are struggling and out of the playoff hunt you will see Campbell.

Well done DEHog! You basically summed it all up in 3 sentences.

Now we hopefully can get on with looking at the rest of our team and not worrying about our QB situation. The coaches must think that they have who they need for now and have prepared for the future with what looks like a great pick in JC!

BATMAN wrote:You guys arent't listening. I said "Patrick Ramsey is going to have a PRO BOWL type season".

No QB can just go from coach to caoch, system to system, year after year, and have success in the NFL...especially when the QB has a broken foot during 1 of his 3 years of experience......3 years in which he has spent HALF that time SITTING on the bench.

My Gawd...what do people expect from Patrick. I am simply amazed at all of you who are acting like VULTURES....waiting for Patrick to fail so that Campbell can come in and save the day. Those of you who think that a rookie QB can come in and gain command of Joe Gibbs complicated offense, you must be rookies to this sport.

Joe Gibbs offense is the calculus of offensive schemes. And to top it off...after a 12 year layoff, Gibbs must now reconfigure his offense after 1 year in order to fit the talents of the players he has. Patrick has a full year of digesting the playbook, asking questions, running through the plays, and thinking about it. He is just now getting comfortable with it. Remember, ONE year ago he still had not practiced yet because he had a broken foot. NOW..he has a full year of practice...and a bunch of minicamps and ota's.

Patrick Ramsey is ready! Forget Campbell. He'll never unseat Patrick Ramsey without an injury occuring.

Bottom Line: Your Hero Ramsey got BEATOUT by Brunell. OUCH. That's got to hurt.

Forget Campbell??? You better hope your mancrush-boy Ramsey turns out to be the next Manning or Brady for that to happen. Campbell is ALREADY a better athlete and scrambler than Ramsey and that is not debatable. He has as good an arm and actually came from a winning school.

If Ramsey doesn't take this team to the playoffs he is done and hopefully you can go with him to whichever team he gets shipped to.

Maybe it's the blazing yellow font, or maybe it's that tendency to crank up the level of needless hostility two or three levels with every post, or maybe it's just my grumpy mood these days, but I'm becoming irritated.

I just got done watching the tape of the Sugar Bowl last year, Auburn vs. Virginia Tech, Campbell made some great throws in that game, and IMO he has tons of potential, can't wait for preseason!

SKINZ_DOMIN8 wrote:

BATMAN wrote:You guys arent't listening. I said "Patrick Ramsey is going to have a PRO BOWL type season".

No QB can just go from coach to caoch, system to system, year after year, and have success in the NFL...especially when the QB has a broken foot during 1 of his 3 years of experience......3 years in which he has spent HALF that time SITTING on the bench.

My Gawd...what do people expect from Patrick. I am simply amazed at all of you who are acting like VULTURES....waiting for Patrick to fail so that Campbell can come in and save the day. Those of you who think that a rookie QB can come in and gain command of Joe Gibbs complicated offense, you must be rookies to this sport.

Joe Gibbs offense is the calculus of offensive schemes. And to top it off...after a 12 year layoff, Gibbs must now reconfigure his offense after 1 year in order to fit the talents of the players he has. Patrick has a full year of digesting the playbook, asking questions, running through the plays, and thinking about it. He is just now getting comfortable with it. Remember, ONE year ago he still had not practiced yet because he had a broken foot. NOW..he has a full year of practice...and a bunch of minicamps and ota's.

Patrick Ramsey is ready! Forget Campbell. He'll never unseat Patrick Ramsey without an injury occuring.

Bottom Line: Your Hero Ramsey got BEATOUT by Brunell. OUCH. That's got to hurt.

Forget Campbell??? You better hope your mancrush-boy Ramsey turns out to be the next Manning or Brady for that to happen. Campbell is ALREADY a better athlete and scrambler than Ramsey and that is not debatable. He has as good an arm and actually came from a winning school.

If Ramsey doesn't take this team to the playoffs he is done and hopefully you can go with him to whichever team he gets shipped to.

and that doesn't mean squat. Gibbs won't play a QB until he has full comprehension of the offense, which takes quite awhile, and he is sure the guy is confident enough to overcome adversity without losing his confidence. It will take Campbell at least until next season to get there and there is an extremely good chance it will take two years in Gibbs eyes. If Ramsey plays solid football, that will be good enough for Gibbs. Gibbs doesn't need McNabb to win the Superbowl. If Ramsey plays solid, he will get a new contract and be the starter next year. Campbell in the meantime will move up to #2, but that doesn't gaurantee him the starting job in his 3rd or 4th year. As long as Ramsey is playing solid football, not spectacular football, he's the starter. Hopefully Campbell will be a star for us down the road, but hopefully we won't have to find out too soon.

Scottskins wrote:

SKINZ_DOMIN8 wrote:

BATMAN wrote:You guys arent't listening. I said "Patrick Ramsey is going to have a PRO BOWL type season".

No QB can just go from coach to caoch, system to system, year after year, and have success in the NFL...especially when the QB has a broken foot during 1 of his 3 years of experience......3 years in which he has spent HALF that time SITTING on the bench.

My Gawd...what do people expect from Patrick. I am simply amazed at all of you who are acting like VULTURES....waiting for Patrick to fail so that Campbell can come in and save the day. Those of you who think that a rookie QB can come in and gain command of Joe Gibbs complicated offense, you must be rookies to this sport.

Joe Gibbs offense is the calculus of offensive schemes. And to top it off...after a 12 year layoff, Gibbs must now reconfigure his offense after 1 year in order to fit the talents of the players he has. Patrick has a full year of digesting the playbook, asking questions, running through the plays, and thinking about it. He is just now getting comfortable with it. Remember, ONE year ago he still had not practiced yet because he had a broken foot. NOW..he has a full year of practice...and a bunch of minicamps and ota's.

Patrick Ramsey is ready! Forget Campbell. He'll never unseat Patrick Ramsey without an injury occuring.

Bottom Line: Your Hero Ramsey got BEATOUT by Brunell. OUCH. That's got to hurt.

Forget Campbell??? You better hope your mancrush-boy Ramsey turns out to be the next Manning or Brady for that to happen. Campbell is ALREADY a better athlete and scrambler than Ramsey and that is not debatable. He has as good an arm and actually came from a winning school.

If Ramsey doesn't take this team to the playoffs he is done and hopefully you can go with him to whichever team he gets shipped to.

and that doesn't mean squat. Gibbs won't play a QB until he has full comprehension of the offense, which takes quite awhile, and he is sure the guy is confident enough to overcome adversity without losing his confidence. It will take Campbell at least until next season to get there and there is an extremely good chance it will take two years in Gibbs eyes. If Ramsey plays solid football, that will be good enough for Gibbs. Gibbs doesn't need McNabb to win the Superbowl. If Ramsey plays solid, he will get a new contract and be the starter next year. Campbell in the meantime will move up to #2, but that doesn't gaurantee him the starting job in his 3rd or 4th year. As long as Ramsey is playing solid football, not spectacular football, he's the starter. Hopefully Campbell will be a star for us down the road, but hopefully we won't have to find out too soon.

Your whole post is a lame assumption that Ramsey will play good this year.....sorry to throw cold water on your hopes and dreams but nothing in his past shows any semblance of hope that he will quit throwing interceptions and missing open receivers.

Why do you think Gibbs drafted Campbell? He already had Hamden and Brunell at the time...

SKINZ_DOMIN8 wrote:Your whole post is a lame assumption that Ramsey will play good this year.....sorry to throw cold water on your hopes and dreams but nothing in his past shows any semblance of hope that he will quit throwing interceptions and missing open receivers.

Why do you think Gibbs drafted Campbell? He already had Hamden and Brunell at the time...

If I did a search for all Lame post, I'm sure 80% would bear the name SKINZ_DOMIN8. They are based on your dislike of the Ramsey, it's obvious that you only see the negative when it comes to P-Ram(sorry CLL). You fail to acknowledge the fact that he has gone through so many changes in this organization and is really just getting comfortable with the "Pro" game. Nothing in Ramsey's past shows he can't step up and have a Big year. In fact there is much in Ramsey's past that says this will be the year that he'll blow up.
The only thing that you've gotten right is, if Ramsey doesn't produce this year he won't get another shot next year. I'll add that if Campbell isn't ready next year, and Ramsey doesn't get it done this year than we'll have a "caretaker" at QB next year.

I've always said these post never produce facts with your ramblings but this time you threw out "He already had Hamden and Brunell at the time..."
As usual your WRONG..... He had T. Hasselbeck and Brunell at the time

1niksder wrote:

SKINZ_DOMIN8 wrote:Your whole post is a lame assumption that Ramsey will play good this year.....sorry to throw cold water on your hopes and dreams but nothing in his past shows any semblance of hope that he will quit throwing interceptions and missing open receivers.

Why do you think Gibbs drafted Campbell? He already had Hamden and Brunell at the time...

If I did a search for all Lame post, I'm sure 80% would bear the name SKINZ_DOMIN8. They are based on your dislike of the Ramsey, it's obvious that you only see the negative when it comes to P-Ram(sorry CLL). You fail to acknowledge the fact that he has gone through so many changes in this organization and is really just getting comfortable with the "Pro" game. Nothing in Ramsey's past shows he can't step up and have a Big year. In fact there is much in Ramsey's past that says this will be the year that he'll blow up.
The only thing that you've gotten right is, if Ramsey doesn't produce this year he won't get another shot next year. I'll add that if Campbell isn't ready next year, and Ramsey doesn't get it done this year than we'll have a "caretaker" at QB next year.

I've always said these post never produce facts with your ramblings but this time you threw out "He already had Hamden and Brunell at the time..."
As usual your WRONG..... He had T. Hasselbeck and Brunell at the time

So you do agree with me that Ramsey is toast after this season. Check.

But if Ramsey is just now "getting comfortable with the Pro game" as you assert, then we are in deeper trouble than even I thought.

I hope Gibbs has a very, very, short leash on Ramsey. We cannot endure any more dumb decisions, missed receivers, no deep passing game. I believe Gibbs isn't going to play with Ramsey and his lame excuses this season.