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Since The Sopranos aren't on tv now, I will be watching Tommie Harris in the Sugar Bowl to see how good he really is. Lets hope for a great performance so that we have a new feature D-lineman we have needed for a while. Go Tommie!

i too, will be scouting prospects.

Tommie Harris was nonexistant, and never heard from... He was not just contolled, but dominated by the LSU front five...

I understand his job is to clog up the middle and disrupt plays, and not to be called out for getting lots of tackles, but LSU ran the ball right at him. The first play of the game was a 64 yard run right into Harris' gap, and he did nothing to get a hand on the back, as he was blown off the ball many times.

I understand taht he is one of the natios top tackles, and a premeire defensive lineman, but he did not impress me in the biggest game ofh is life, whith the hole nation watching...

Darn, WILL SMITH HERE WE COME...
GEEPZ

I have changed my mind, I think with free agency, we will address our D-line needs so we will probably get Kevin Jones because White Shirt Vinny will probably go by the theory he went with last off-season when he said Coles was better than any receiver available in the draft. It will probably be the same with Jones.

I like the philosophy...I'd rather have a proven NFL quality player than take a risk on a good/great college player who may or may not make it in the NFL. Too bad we didn't use that philosophy on our coach hiring.

If we have Fassel, we might take Winslow. We all know that Fassel knows how to utilize a big, physical TE. As far as DT's go, we should go after Chad Lavalais in the 2nd or 3rd round. He's better and faster than Harris.

While it is great to just pick up FAs like we did last year... you do eventually have to draft some people so that you have young studs.

Draft picks (other than top 5 picks) make considerably less money than veterans, so it's good for the cap number too.

But I'm not gonna start making draft predictions for a bit yet. I will say that I think our needs in order are DE, DT, S, RB and TE. I'd really like to grab a DE and DT through free agency and then grab S Sean Taylor with the #5 pick and another DT with our #37 pick.

Tommie Harris was nonexistant, and never heard from... He was not just contolled, but dominated by the LSU front five...

while you can't judge a guy on one game, it seemed to me he got presure up the middle, but usually at the expense of the run.(a freshman gaining 150 on the ground? )

I think Vince Wilfork will be as good as Harris and will end up going considerably later in the draft, though I doubt he'll fall as far as #37.

I also agree that you can't base things on one game... presumably Harris got to be one of the best DTs in the country for a reason.

I want to also add to my previous post that I think #5 is a bit too high for Taylor, but I'd be lying if I didn't say that Roy Williams has made me crave a great safety like nobody's business.

Yes please don't base things on one play. I saw Sean Taylor get run over by Greg Jones (nice RB ) the other night. That doesn't change my mind the he's the best safety in college. In collee you can go after or try to neutralize the best guy on the other team...in the pros there all the best guy from there college team

If we have Fassel, we might take Winslow.

You know, I was just thinking this same thing. If the Skins trade down to lower picks in the 1st round, would Winslow be available? Hmmmm. Probably not.

If we can use him like Fassell used Shockey, that'd be pretty sha-weet!

Then again, I'd take Winslow only if we were able to address our DL needs in free agency.

The Skin's should try and sign Adalius Thomas from Ravens as a DE. and draft Sean Taylor. Taylor is s freak of nature and could be an amazing pro.

you know, when i compare taylor to guys in the league, i see him as an ed reed clone. both are miami guys, and there are lots of similarities........ but niether are on the same page as williams.
i think we need to trade up in the draft, to get maybe 2 first rounders, and not exactly chase players. take the best player available at need positions when we pick, plus there won't be as much of a contract $$$ to deal with for later round picks.

we will address our D-line needs so we will probably get Kevin Jones because White Shirt Vinny will probably go by the theory he went with last off-season when he said Coles was better than any receiver available in the draft. It will probably be the same with Jones.

I agree that we need a RB with the 5th pick...but it will be hard to pass on Kellen Winslow.

[quote="BossHog"]While it is great to just pick up FAs like we did last year... you do eventually have to draft some people so that you have young studs.

BossHog...we were lucky with the young FA's that we picked last year...they're in their prime and serve as an instant value to the team now. Coach George Allen was good at assembling seasoned veterans to play together...

I never said it wasn't a good move last year jrforbes, just saying that eventually you have to draft people... for cap reasons and for youth reasons.

Allen was good at assembling FAs, no doubt about it, but how many Super Bowls did it get him?

I would like to point out that being here in South Florida and getting the chance to see Sean Taylor in action I would say that taking him with the #5 pick is a good move and then we can address our DT needs by drafting Randy Starks from UMD with our 2nd pick. Although I may be a little bias being a UMD grad, I think this guy has all the makings of a stud in the NFL.

You know... Cerrato reminds me of people I have seen on speed... except he has that look that makes him look like he constantly is being goosed - the man never blinks. However, I don't disagree with the standpoint of taking younger players that have proven themselves so well from other teams and not bringing in busts from the draft like we had so much in the 90's.

Remember Beathard? How many times did that man trade picks for players? Maybe that is the secret to his success?

I am sick of hearing about Sean Taylor this Sean Taylor that... Obviouslly he is a great athlete, and will be a very good safety one day, but that isn't this team's biggest need or even near close to it...

He wouuld be a great selection if he slid out of the top ten, but since we are going to get one of the five best players in the nation, we should grab a stud at a position, where they will start automatically, and make an instant impact...

The problem is that until FA comes and goes, we don't know wehre those holes are, but the team has shown major interest in bringing starting Strong Safety Ifeyani Ohelate back...

If it ain't brok you don't fix it... Lot's of things are broke, and safety just aint broke as much... Kinda like maken do with a leaken faucet in the kitchen, when the one upstairs is gushing out water, spraying it all over the bathroom...

--GEEPZ

Safety ain't broke?

Definitely not in agreement there. We haven't seen a safety here for years. Bowen is a good second safety but Ohalete is far too inconsistent to be considered a starter... he can't even fill the right holes half the time. He constantly followed Trotter into the same gap only to see the RB run right through the one beside him. Sure he made some interceptions... many games, he was just invisible.

Sean Taylor is head and shoulders above anything we have and the safety position has been rejuvenated in the NFL. There is rarely a FS and a SS anymore.. they basically overlap. Roy Williams and Ed Reed have proven what an impact a great safety can have on a defense.

I understand that we need d-line help but there's FAs to tap also. I don't think there's a d-lineman even worthy of a top 5 pick myself.

While I'll be the first to say that we couldn't lose by drafting Taylor, my question is where do we need the help most. Also who makes who better? If we draft Taylor does he make the D-Line better, conversely in we draft D-Line don’t they make the LB and DB better?? I just think the greatest need on this team is on the D-Line, can it be through the FA market…maybe but I wouldn’t draft Taylor unless you have it in place already.

We need a DE, and a DT... please don't misconstrue what I'm trying to say here. I just think that we can probably land a DE in FA. I also hope that Noble will be progressing well and looking like he can come back nect year.

The draft isn't too DT rich (they all got drafted last year!) and I'm not convinced that we won't still get a top 5 DT with our 2nd round pick.

In my mind, that leaves S and RB as our two most important fills. K. Jones and S. Taylor should both be there for us to choose from.

Honestly though... you could send the exact same team out with Joe Gibbs at the helm and finish at least 9-7 instead of 5-11. Let's remember that we have built a pretty awesome o-line with Samuels, Jansen, Thomas, Moore and Dockery but it is a line that is better suited to running the ball, not passing. That won't be an issue with Gibbs here. Gibbs also managed to get yardage out of any back because of the hogs... not just the back. I could have run through the holes that they created.

I think Gibbs is coming back for two reasons:
1) He hates what's happenoing to the Redskins right now and
2) I think he likes the pieces of the puzzle that are here but not getting it done.

He certainly doesn't need the money. like evrything Joe has ever done, he has been the best thing in NASCAR since he got there. his team is HUGELY successful.

his team is HUGELY successful.

i just want his new/old (how do you refer to it) team to be hugely successful again