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I owuld C- they adressed 2 needs CB and ILB(5th round) two FB makes little to no sence passed on the future of the offence in williams to take rogers and then proceeded to take the QB of our future who is only 2 yrs younger then our current starter meenwhile GB drafted there future when Favre is on his way out. We still have glaring needs at DE WR DT and OG ne way wanted to see what ur guys final analysis was

I like the drafting of the FB's...how many times on the goal line did we not score...remember the eagles game( that was mostly penalties but we could have scored), and remember the 49ers game how many field goals we kicked...In my opinion best case scenario would be that Broughton is our 3rd string or 2nd string rb behind portis with competition with Betts, and Manuel White is moved to TE.

I would say B minus. We showed long term concern by getting a QB for whne Ramsey is most likely out of our price range. We drafted a really good Corner and a MLB who could really turn into a stud in a few years. The FB's are puzzling, but at least one of them should turn into a short yard back to punch through on 3rd and 1, and to save wear and tear on Portis. The LB's and FB's are examples that Gibbs is looking to improve our Special Teams play.

This would have been and A draft in my book if we had seven picks and had aquired more D-Line help!

Chad

D+

I'd give your draft a C-.

Rogers was a tremendous pick. Best defensive player in this draft.

The Campbell pick was THE worst of any pick by any team. How bad was it? Every team knew he was the Redskins choice at #25 (my money's on Sexton as the leak) and no one thought enough of Campbell to move in front of you. Throw in the price you paid for him in terms of picks and it looks even worse.

I did give you an upgrade from D+ because I took into consideration that your second rounder was used on a decent player in ey.

Your second day picks were scattershot at best. McCune's a great athlete and story, but he's not much of a football player yet.

D+

Getting two FBs was a waste.
Letting MWilliams slip was insane. Getting a QB when we already have a 'QB of the future' was kind of stupid
Not picking up any DEs or WRs was not smart

I like last year's draft a LOT more than this year's. But, whatever it is...I'm glad our division didn't get any monsters like MWilliams.....

You may be right about Campbell in terms of his percived value to other teams. But, if he turns into a McNabb or Culpepper you will eat those words.

Gibbs, Musgrave, and Doug Williams all thought that he was the bomb!

Chad

D

Only time will tell

Gibbs, Musgrave, and Doug Williams all thought that he was the bomb!

Never say "the bomb" ever-

I mean EVER

Again.

chaddukes wrote:You may be right about Campbell in terms of his percived value to other teams. But, if he turns into a McNabb or Culpepper you will eat those words.

Gibbs, Musgrave, and Doug Williams all thought that he was the bomb!

Chad

It's almost irrelevant how he turns out. What is relevant in grading this draft is that he obviously could have been had with a later pick than #25, hence you could have given up less and still gotten him.

A flat F

The only things we did right this draft were no brainers-- try to pick up a short yardage back, a top cb. I can't give credit for the obvious. That we didn't address WR and TE was unforgivable. We are desperate for offense.

I'm with Chad.

I understood and appreciated last year's draft. I have no idea what on earth is going on this year.

There is still a period of FA and several players who were not drafted will come our way. So, this story is not over yet.

I know that there have been fools who have insulted Joe Gibbs over the last couple of days. They are fools and I ignore them. Just do not put down others that disagree with the priorities shown by the team in this draft and still are good Skins fans.

Disagreements on opinions about the draft do not have anything to do with loyalty to Joe or the team. I, for one, am very concerned about our lack of help with a great pass rush DE. Nobody will convince me that we either are fine at that position or even that we have sufficient depth at it.

This does not make several of us less Redskins fans. I hope we are wrong and we are fine next season. Maybe this will be addressed after June 1. I hope so.

D. One good position pick up with Rogers.
We did shore up our FB position and add depth to our LB corps.

We wasted a pick on a QB we didn't need and we have been giving away draft picks like they were candy.

B- to C+

It will probaly turn out to be an A around the real season.

curveball wrote:I'd give your draft a C-.

Rogers was a tremendous pick. Best defensive player in this draft.

Wow... the best defensive player in this draft... and we only get a C-.... after 8 teams pick in front of us... all of which had worst defenses than ours last year... and we still get the best defensive player in the draft in your opinion... and we still only get a C-....??? I mean... we atleast start with an A+ right there right?

we don't have a second, because used on a good player like ey... like you said... so we're still at an A+...

curveball wrote:The Campbell pick was THE worst of any pick by any team. How bad was it? Every team knew he was the Redskins choice at #25 (my money's on Sexton as the leak) and no one thought enough of Campbell to move in front of you. Throw in the price you paid for him in terms of picks and it looks even worse.

the next QB taken wasn't until the 3 round.... I don't believe anybody even had an urge to jump ahead of us.... I'd say... the farthest we could have moved back was the #34 pick overall... because there could have been a chance for Cleveland to take him #35... so we jumped at #25... making sure we would get him... hopefully.... yes I believe the story was found out about by Pastabelly.... and that was the SKINS fault.... so I can't give an excuse for that... but, the worst pick ever... I doubt it.... we gave up a 3rd this year for him... and a fourth next.... which I'm sure we'll get that 4th back some how... and we used our first next year... on this year.... because Gibbs decided he wanted someone to groom behind Ramsey... just incase Patty didn't pan out... I mean look at our depth... we had Brunell who lost it last year, and Hasselbeck who we all know is a career backup... I would atleast think we improved the QB situation.... don't you think?

I don't find that the worst pick ever.... I mean... don't you think Detroit... with it's 22nd ranked defense, and grabbing a WR who hadn't played in a year, who was basically being picked on potential... who had two WR picked before him... at a position...which probably was the least of their needs... wouldn't that qualify as the worst pick ever?

What about Green Bay, at 24... in a year where Farve may retire, and Mike Shermans in the last year of his contract...they draft for the future??

Matt Jones at #21?

Your second day picks were scattershot at best. McCune's a great athlete and story, but he's not much of a football player yet.

As for our second day picks... I think they'll all help out in the special teams department... which in my opinion... we needed help in.... and they should help fill there roles on goal-line carries,3rd & 1's... and for situational roles for our 2 LB's we picked up... could we have done better, could we have done worse.... it's all a crap shoot until a couple years from now...

Personally... I'm a defensive type of guy, so I love what Dallas did... I wish we did something along the same lines... but I'm not the GM or making picks... and I don't know... we might very well have gotten some quality depth at some weak positions.... on top of the best defensive player on the board in your opinion...

I would atleast think we ranked around the C+ to B- range... for the picks we had and the extra one, we picked up....

Clinton Portis wrote::shock:

Gibbs, Musgrave, and Doug Williams all thought that he was the bomb!

Never say "the bomb" ever-

I mean EVER

Again.

What are you trying to say??? OK, I know I shouldn't try to use lingo that I'm not qualifies to use!

Perhaps Campbell was a reach. We didn't have a second to swap with anyone this year and he most likely would have went to someone at the top of the second round. There was a chance that we couldn't have gotten him if we didn't do what we did. In fact if Rogers hadn't have fallen then we might have still not gotten him!

We can't grade this draft yet I'll let you know after I see who the Broncos get with our picks

B, Rogers and the Day 2 picks were smart and I think campbell was the best QB in the draft

Jason Campbell
... the most controversial Skins pick of the draft. Here's my take on him: The most pertinent question is this: is he worth a 3rd round pick this year, and 1st and 4th round picks next year? I don't know if *anybody* rated him to be that good. Now, if the Skins had the 25th pick (without having to trade to get there), Campbell would have been a questionable pick both in terms of need and in terms of whether he belongs there. But with the trade, I believe Skins clearly overpaid. Now I am prepared to eat my words if he becomes a Tom Brady. However, only time will tell that ...

My draft grade C+

Explanation: Campbell aside, does Gibbs really believe Santana Moss, David Patten, Taylor Jacobs, James Thrash and Darnerien McCants are a great WR corps to open up the offense? On paper, they might sound good. But somehow, I believe we need serious help there. Roddy White wouldn't have been a bad choice at #25 for offensive help.

Now, we did draft 2 OL guys last year. Where are they now in terms of their development? Do we have sufficient bodies on the line anyway? I'd have liked some linemen to be drafted anywhere in the draft.

People talking about pass-rushing ends, I don't know who was there on the board worthy of a #25 pick. Dan Cody or Matt Roth? I'm not sure guys. But I'd have liked a LB at #25 for more defensive help.

What's all this talk about FBs and short yardage situations? We have Rock Cartwright. How many carries did he have last season? 2 carries for 0 yards (both against Minnesota in the last game)! We also have Betts who was not bad but not exceptional either. Anyway, I think the problem with our short yardage situation last season was also partly because of the OL. Again, OL help would have been welcome.

We have a good defensive backfield now. Other than that, I am not entirely convinced of the roster we have. One of the major reasons for this is that we simply don't have enough draft picks to even think of building through drafts. Every year, we seem to have half the picks of any other team and, of course, we seem to do an incomplete job. I thought this would come to an end with Gibbs but these two years, he has shown us quite the opposite. I'm hoping we get some steals in the free agents. After all, our defense last season is ample proof for the importance of undrafted free agents. But based on the draft, the most generous grade I can give us is only a C+.

i say C...rogers was a good pick, but the fact that williams was there doesn't make it as smart a pick as if he wasn't there. i'd rather have mike williams and marlin jackson then carlos rogers...the campbell pick i don't like. but i think they made up for it on the second day because i really like McCune...and correct me if i'm wrong, but broughton had never lost a single yard in his career as a back...that's gotta be good in goaline and short yardage situations...and if we put the other FB at a TE like people are saying then it was a very good pick...

B.

i'm, not quite over the campbell pick yet, given our other needs. but if you look at the other picks, they have joe gibbs written all over them. intelligent, good character, solid football players. a team captain, a vet, a military college grad. guys who can and will improve the morale and unity of the team.

in fact, you see dan snyers fingerprints nowhere on these picks. no splashes. no mike williams.

i would have loved to get a pass rushing end, but i think a great corner is almost as good. and i'm happy that we picked up some middle linebacker help. i would have loved a dominating receiver as well, but maybe that's for next year.

I've never been one for giving draft grades because it seems ridiculous to grade a team's intake before any of these players step on the field. Right now no one has a clue whether or not Jason Campbell will be the next Doug Williams or the next Heath Shuler. Here's my take nonetheless.

I love the Rogers pick. It's not real exciting but the guy is big and physical and fits great in the secondary. I think he'll have a solid impact this year but he addresses a gaping hole in the D so it was the smart pick. He's consistent and it appears that he has a good head on his shoulders. Grade: A

Campbell is a mystery. I don't know why the Skins gave up so much to get him and I don't know what to expect from him. Optimistically, he looks like he could potentially be a Roethlisburger-type. He's got great size, he's not gonna do anything spectacular but he's probably not gonna lose it for you, he'll keep you in the game (i like this philosophy; build a team that focuses on an outstanding defense and try to get just enough out of your offense each week to get by). He's also got the ability to pick up yards on the ground when you need him to. His decision making is suspect so that's where Gibbs needs to work. The tools are there but I'm just not sure if he's got it upstairs. For me, the jury's still out and it will be out for some time. Grade C- (solely because of the price we paid to get him, not because I don't think he'll amount to anything)


The rest of the picks were practical in my opinion. I like drafting two fullbacks. This was a 6-10 team in 2004 that lost 7 games by a touchdown or less. We also took a significant number of field goal attempts from inside our 10-yard line. Makes sense to me, smart move. The linebacker picks were smart as well in my opinion. I think we found out last year that many linebackers can thrive in Gregg Williams' system and with the loss of Pierce and potential losses of Arrington and Barrow again to injuries, we can't have enough depth there. Grade B+

There were some notable omissions, specifically wide receiver and defensive end. Ideally, I wish that they would not have traded up into the first round for Campbell, instead using the 3rd round pick on a DE. I also always think that it's a good idea to add an offensive lineman in nearly every draft, you can't even have enough in my book. I was also disappointed to see Rod Gardner not get moved over the course of the weekend. As it's been said before, you can't bring this guy back after they've made it so apparent that he's on the block. With two first round picks to sign and not much cap room, I'd hate to see us just cut the guy, only 4 years removed from being a first rounder. Could have traded Gardner, not traded into the first round and there's two picks, one for a DL, one for a WR. Oh well.

So all in all I thought they made some significant steps forward but also neglected some other steps they could have taken. Overall, i'd have to say C...maybe C+, but hopefully in 3-5 years I'll be whistling a different tune and praising the brilliance of Mr. Gibbs.

Campbell is a questionable pick at 25 and would have been even if no trades were made to get the pick. He would have been questionable in the third round, considering our needs. The PR is touting him as mobile. He averaged half a yard a carry at Auburn.

this draft gets an F. Our front office is clueless. We never have a full compliment on picks, and they do not seem to be able to think on the fly, or change course very well. Not adjusting their strategy and drafting Mike Williams at #9 was insane. We need a #1 WR. He would have been the perfect compliment to S. Moss and a redzone freak. They would have been able to take Marlin Jackson @ 25 who fits the scheme perfectly in being able to blitz and match-up with another team's #2 WR...and then they draft 2 fullbacks. WHAT!??! This is not 1988, Joe...plus, Campbell got a 14 on his wonderlic, and for a QB that's bad. The last QB in redskins camp who scored in that range was the immortal health shuler. Unless they plan on running the wishbone with these fullbacks and h-backs next year these picks make no sense. We need a GM.