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No matter how Ramsey performs next season it seems this is his last year with the Redskins, I just can`t believe what Gibbs did, if Ramsey leads us to the playoffs then we`ll have no $ to pay him and the other is if he doesn`t play well then Gibbs will trade him.
I really do hope Ramsey has a bright future in washington but I just don`t see that coming, good luck THE RAM wherever you go and I really do hope you show Gibbs what a mistake he made, Ramsey we`ll be a probowl qb.

Calm Down. Ramsey's the Franchise QB.

Clinton Portis wrote:Calm Down. Ramsey's the Franchise QB.

Are you joking did you not see the draft. He went after Brunell last year and now Campell. Ramsey will have a break out year and pull a Champ Baily and ask for what we can't pay him and we will trade him. And we suck for or more years.

Clinton Portis wrote:Calm Down. Ramsey's the Franchise QB.

This is from another post.

SkinsHead56 wrote:Ramsey plays well this year. Wants a new contract, the Skins franchise him, trade him for two first round picks, Campbell steps in, Skins draft a big play WR and a top DE. The table is set for G. Williams to take over with a top D, and a young explosive Offense.

He will be our franchise player alright.

im getting sick of u man

Nope. He's the Franchise QB.

Why is everyone on Campbell?

If ANYONEs in danger its T.Hasselbeck.

Clinton Portis wrote:Nope. He's the Franchise QB.

Why is everyone on Campbell?

If ANYONEs in danger its T.Hasselbeck.

Hasselbeck.... that is hilarious.

FINALLY, a sense of structure is being restored in The Redskins. Ramsey is gonna really be pressed to perform now. Isn't that what we want? Would any of you prefer that Ramsey NOT be pressed to perform at his ultimate potential? Does anyone honestly beleive that Jason Campbell is going to start this year OR next year? If Ramsey can do it, fantasic!! If he can't, we'll have Campbell waiting in the wings. And, quite frankly, I gotta say I like what I'm seeing from this Campbell guy. A little competition could very well light the fire under the Redskins that we need out of them.

JPFair wrote:FINALLY, a sense of structure is being restored in The Redskins. Ramsey is gonna really be pressed to perform now. Isn't that what we want? Would any of you prefer that Ramsey NOT be pressed to perform at his ultimate potential? Does anyone honestly beleive that Jason Campbell is going to start this year OR next year? If Ramsey can do it, fantasic!! If he can't, we'll have Campbell waiting in the wings. And, quite frankly, I gotta say I like what I'm seeing from this Campbell guy. A little competition could very well light the fire under the Redskins that we need out of them.

JP is the only guy with sense here. Its unbelievable.

JP is the only guy with sense here. Its unbelievable.

No, that's not true. You do too!

yeah, it's really great to waste 1st, 3rd, and 4th round picks on a guy SITTING ON THE FRICKIN' BENCH. you know what would help ramsey a lot more than a guy challening him for his job? HOW ABOUT SOME MORE HELP ON OFFENSE. someone who will actually be able to help him ON THE FRICKING FIELD.

die cowboys die wrote:yeah, it's really great to waste 1st, 3rd, and 4th round picks on a guy SITTING ON THE FRICKIN' BENCH. you know what would help ramsey a lot more than a guy challening him for his job? HOW ABOUT SOME MORE HELP ON OFFENSE. someone who will actually be able to help him ON THE FRICKING FIELD.

die cowboys die wrote:yeah, it's really great to waste 1st, 3rd, and 4th round picks on a guy SITTING ON THE FRICKIN' BENCH. you know what would help ramsey a lot more than a guy challening him for his job? HOW ABOUT SOME MORE HELP ON OFFENSE. someone who will actually be able to help him ON THE FRICKING FIELD.

Exactly, like Mike Williams

Man i wish you all think like JP does.... because he is 100% absolutly right

washington53 wrote:Man i wish you all think like JP does.... because he is 100% absolutly right

Obviously we have two different sides here today.

The People who Trust Gibbs...

And the People who think the Sky is Falling.

Me,You and JP seem to be the only people in the first category. Thats a shame. Hopefully the rest of you guys will pull it together.

WshSkins22 wrote:im getting sick of u man

Hey take it to the smack forum.

I was completely against this pick but the more I think about it the more it makes complete sense. If position on our Offense grossly underachieved last year it was the QB's. Ramsey may very well have a Pro Bowl year, and then demand a contract that we can't afford. Or he could completely suck it up, and then next year we would have to draft a QB throw him in the fire.

I love my Redskins....and I trust Gibbs more than you guys!

Chad

JPFair wrote:FINALLY, a sense of structure is being restored in The Redskins. Ramsey is gonna really be pressed to perform now. Isn't that what we want? Would any of you prefer that Ramsey NOT be pressed to perform at his ultimate potential? Does anyone honestly beleive that Jason Campbell is going to start this year OR next year? If Ramsey can do it, fantasic!! If he can't, we'll have Campbell waiting in the wings. And, quite frankly, I gotta say I like what I'm seeing from this Campbell guy. A little competition could very well light the fire under the Redskins that we need out of them.

JP you're the smart guy around here right?

When Ramsey was drafted in 2002 with Carr and Harrington he had to be "pressed" (as you stated) by Matthews and Wuerfull (not tough competition), but they were more experienced nonetheless.

Then, in 2003 Ramsey got crushed by mid-season without a decent prtotection scheme.

Then, in 2004 Brunell came in and "pressed" (as you stated) Ramsey only to blow and get benched and let Ramsey back on the field to get some PT.

Now, Ramsey is promised the starting gig (which he will probably get if he doesn't do what other players are doing these days w/ their agent's aid)...and he will be "pressed" by Brunell AND Campbell. When is enough...enough?

MEANWHILE, Carr is entering his 4th season and he seems to be clicking...the Texans have been successfully building their team AROUND HIM. Joey Harrington is also enter his 4th season and the Lions are starting to get an idea of what they do (or don't) have.

The point is, these "rebuilding" franchises have been able to scope out their QB's and plan accordingly. While Ramsey has been "pressed" and "benched" and "injured" and "promised" on and on during this time. Do the Redskins plan to "press" Ramsey his entire career????

Better yet, shouldn't they "press" other players for once??
Maybe...draft or bring in a free agent to press them instead of the leader of the offense?

I mean, after all the "pressing" Ramsey has had over the past few years maybe it is someone elses turn?

Here's a few that could use some pressing:
Rynaldo Wynn
Derrick Dockery
Michael Barrow
Randy Thomas
Chris Samuels
Sean Taylor

Randy Thomas

Nuh Uh!

Randy Thomas is the best RG in the NFL...he had zero...ZERO...penalties last year!

Chad

JP you're the smart guy around here right?

Awwwwww, thanks oafusp! You make me blush!

When Ramsey was drafted in 2002 with Carr and Harrington he had to be "pressed" (as you stated) by Matthews and Wuerfull (not tough competition), but they were more experienced nonetheless.

Absolutely correct, but the decision on who did the pressing was made by whom? Spurrier? Spurrier couldn't even hold Joe Gibbs' clipboard. Perhaps Campbell can actually do some REAL pressing (as you also state) as opposed to the pathetic "pressing" that the perennial MVP pro-bowler Wuerfull and Mathews did for Ramseys progression.

Then, in 2003 Ramsey got crushed by mid-season without a decent prtotection scheme.

Again, the by-product of a coach who had more of a history on the links than he did on the gridiron.

Then, in 2004 Brunell came in and "pressed" (as you stated) Ramsey only to blow and get benched and let Ramsey back on the field to get some PT.

EXACTLY!! And, when Brunell was "pressing" (as you also stated) Ramsey really did perform. In fact, wouldn't you agree that he performed a lot better with Brunell on the bench than he did during the pre-season when the job was up for grabs?

Now, Ramsey is promised the starting gig (which he will probably get if he doesn't do what other players are doing these days w/ their agent's aid)...and he will be "pressed" by Brunell AND Campbell. When is enough...enough?

Enough was enough when Spurrier put Ramseys livelihood on the line with his pathetic schemes. Enough was enough, and in came a head coach that has a vision for the team. NOT a vision for Patrick Ramsey, but a vision for the team. With all due respect to your admiration for the experience of Wuerfull and Mathews, I'd rather see Ramsey being "pressed" (as you again stated) by Brunell and Campbell. And, speaking of Campbell, can you dispute his abilities? Have you heard Ramsey say anything negative about Gibbs bringing in Campbell? In fact, Ramsey has voiced the complete opposite and actually welcomes the competition, or should we call it the "pressing"? It seems to me that the only people that don't welcome the pressing is the fans of Ramsey.

MEANWHILE, Carr is entering his 4th season and he seems to be clicking...the Texans have been successfully building their team AROUND HIM. Joey Harrington is also enter his 4th season and the Lions are starting to get an idea of what they do (or don't) have

Oh, I'm sorry. Forgive me! I forgot to mention the spectacular seasons and playoff glory that the Texans and Lions have been experiencing lately.

The point is, these "rebuilding" franchises have been able to scope out their QB's and plan accordingly. While Ramsey has been "pressed" and "benched" and "injured" and "promised" on and on during this time. Do the Redskins plan to "press" Ramsey his entire career????

I don't think so, but if that's what it takes for the team to win, then I would hope so. If Ramsey was to say publicly that he doesn't like the idea, then maybe I'd be willing to listen to more of the anti-Campbell pick rhetoric, but as of now, I agree with it. As for Ramsey being benched, isn't he our starter? Why would he be benched? Joe Gibbs has said that Ramsey is our starter, hasn't he? And as for him being injured, may I remind you that Steve Spurrier no longer coaches this team. Do they press him his entire career? If that's what it takes, yes. Some people put the team before the player.

Better yet, shouldn't they "press" other players for once??

Darn right they should!! In fact, they should draft a CB to press Springs, Harris, Jimoh, et. all. Oh wait, they DID!!

I mean, after all the "pressing" Ramsey has had over the past few years maybe it is someone elses turn?

I think the "pressing" should be done on a case by case basis. In THIS case, I think it's better to have Ramsey "pressed" over the likes of some of the ones you mention. But, in theory, I agree with you. EVERYONE should be "pressed".

Forgive me, I won't chop your post up...it drives me nuts when people do that here! Plus, I'm buzzed and fat fingerin the laptop the past couple hours.

Fans of Ramsey? Ahh, like fans of D-MAC, or Thrash, Portis, Lavar, even Gibbs. For me its about the Skins. The players come and go, but the Skins stay.

BUT, one thing that has been STAYING is the poor management, poor drafts, and flat out function of the team. We have sucked for the past few years and 2 things are a constant...Vinny and trading away draft picks.

Back to the subject, again, I am at my finest at the moment and I shall wander here or there.

Saying we should use a draft pick on a QB that has had 3 dissapointing seasons and one good season...just to back up...and press...a QB (Ramsey) that we drafted in the 1st round just 3 seasons ago is irresponsible IMO. Call it what you want but the message is clear. Gibbs wants Campbell not Ramsey. While we did not give up the farm to get Campbell we did give up the barn. The writing is on the wall. Ramsey needs to preform or he's gone. But that message was made to him from Day 1...and he has witness that message displayed to other players arounds the league in the past 3 years. The message is quite clear to Ramsey.

Ramsey is a smart guy. He figured this out a while ago. But should the Redskins give up such value just to reitterate this point? Hell no. Again, the writing is on the wall. Gibbs is going in a different direction. You don't give up a 1st, 3rd, and a 4th to use as a motivational tool.

So, it comes down to this. SHADINESS.And shadiness is what has plagues the Redskins since Snyder bought the team.
Shadiness to the fans, to the players, to the agents, and even to the coaches. There is a circle of DIStrust in the organization. And this is another example of it.

Promise the QB, teammates, and fans one thing....then draft a QB and go in a different direction just months later.

Arrington Contract
Coles Debacle
Pay for Practice catastrophe
Redskins Mastercard
etc, etc, etc.

It is not about blowing a draft pick....or mistreating players....you can't sugar coat this draft pick by GOING ALONG WITH WHAT THE WACKED OUT ORGANIZATION WANTS YOU TO THINK. It's about the same feeling of CRAP that comes out of there camp every year.

And hiring Gibbs was just a chaser to the bitter taste of cheap liquor the Redskins have been serving me for the past 5 years.

Push Patrick Ramsey?

Nah, Push management to do something different..they should redo their front office instead of switching QB's, RB's, WR's, LB's, and CB's.

The one thing that stays the same is management and the one thing that changes is player turnover.

Now, which one has been here the whole time?

And now they want to turn over another young QB?