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listen.. i am not saying that all of my brothers on here are ignorant when it comes to football but i am starting to think that we have a bunch of sort sighted homers here. lets be honest Ramsy has not proven anything. he throws picks at the worst time, he is about as mobile as ATM machine and the team has never rallied around him. we play in a conference where the Eagles, Giants and Cowgirls blitz,blitz,blitz and then blitz again. besides his decision making ramsy's weakest point is mobility..if you remember when Gibbs came back he mentioned that when he coached they didn't have the Mcnabbs,Vicks,Culpeppers and so-on and that he would love to have a mobile QB who could move the pocket. well damn if we didn't luck up on one who just happens to have a throw first mentality and at least by his college stats he is far more accurate than Ramsy..how soon we forget the times when Ramsy tore our hearts out with just throwing the ball up because he didn't want to get hit or when we would be driving down the field for a win and he would..A-fumble, B-throw a pick, C-throw to the reciever that was triple covered while the open man was butt naked down the sideline..if i saw it i know Gibbs saw it. another facor is Ramsy has a contract coming up and he is going to want LOOT! has he earned it? would he hold out? then we would be stuck with BUMNELL. now with Campbell on board Ramsy dare not hold out and he better learn how to read a defense..now when we had Ramsy and BUMNELL of course ramsy looked like gold but in the true scheme of things Ramsy has been as productive as Joey Fairyington(lions) so stop your belly aching and look at it from a football view it only made sense..you cant say you trust Joe and that your glad he is back then slam him everytime he makes a move. Now when campbell is out there avoiding sacks, throwing hot reads, rallying the team and and not turning the ball over you all will be glad that we have our own superstar at quarter back(how many of you think ramsy will be a superstar) none of you! we just knew he was better than BUMNELL..and as far as Rodgers he is as big as rolle and faster he will be a stud.. and he hits like a MACK TRUCK...BLITZ HIM BABY!...p.s we finally can run our quarter back on madden LOL

The draft was interesting. let's see how it pans out over the next season and beyond.

i didn't want to draft much, because i 've realized I trust in Gibbs. Because if we don't in him, who else is left?

vife wrote:Because if we don't in him, who else is left?

Vinny Cerrato

I agree with you on some of your points in the post.Im sorry if I dont agree that we must have a qb that is mobile.How many of the qbs that you just listed have superbowl rings?Is tom brady a mobile qb i dont think so.I still believe a pocket qb will always be better because if the o-line does it job and picks the blitz up the D always gets burned.I think ramsey should get a chance to prove his self this year but as you said the sad part is if he does how much loot will he want.I can understand gibbs wanting another qb.I cant wait fot the 05 season to start then we will see about some things.I only want what is best for the skins.

Wonderlic = 14

Trading multiple draft picks to acquire a QB .... name the QB's that are worthy of such a move....does Campbell belong there?


I hope Ramsey becomes the NEXT Drew Brees.

burppp

Hey, I was as upset as everyone here. But I accept the fact that I don't know as much about football as those guys. Clearly Gibbs saw something in Campbell that he likes. Wonderlic is vastly overated. Even Terry Bradshaw had like a 15. Wonderlic has nothing to do with your field vision, and split second decision making.

Now what happens if we get Dan Cody or Heath Miller instead and Then We can't resign Ramsey when his contract is up (this year?)......

Our Offense was full of stars last year and what did it do? Nothing.....The most important person on the team is the QB. Both Brunell and Ramsey were surrounded with talent last year...Good O-Line, Great RB, Good WR's....and they did jack! So, if Gibbs wants to get a QB then I say God Bless Him! He clearly doesn't like something about Ramsey.

Chad

chaddukes wrote:Hey, I was as upset as everyone here. But I accept the fact that I don't know as much about football as those guys. Clearly Gibbs saw something in Campbell that he likes. Wonderlic is vastly overated. Even Terry Bradshaw had like a 15. Wonderlic has nothing to do with your field vision, and split second decision making.

Now what happens if we get Dan Cody or Heath Miller instead and Then We can't resign Ramsey when his contract is up (this year?)......

Our Offense was full of stars last year and what did it do? Nothing.....The most important person on the team is the QB. Both Brunell and Ramsey were surrounded with talent last year...Good O-Line, Great RB, Good WR's....and they did jack! So, if Gibbs wants to get a QB then I say God Bless Him! He clearly doesn't like something about Ramsey.

Chad

Our recievers were teriblle our O-line was average, and Portis is overrrated. 3.8 a carry. Ramsey was our only bright spot last year. And ey. That is it. We needed two new recievers and that hasn't been resolved, Moss is not the answer. A te, that hasn't been resolved. Center has. We need a short yardage back. Not resolved. I'd even say a running back, I am not sold on Portis fitting Gibbs system.

Auburn does not produce many MENSA graduates from their football team .... in fact they don't graduate many players period.

We could have waited for QB and even picked a DE, another DB or MLB.

skinpride1 wrote:I agree with you on some of your points in the post.Im sorry if I dont agree that we must have a qb that is mobile.How many of the qbs that you just listed have superbowl rings?Is tom brady a mobile qb i dont think so.I still believe a pocket qb will always be better because if the o-line does it job and picks the blitz up the D always gets burned.I think ramsey should get a chance to prove his self this year but as you said the sad part is if he does how much loot will he want.I can understand gibbs wanting another qb.I cant wait fot the 05 season to start then we will see about some things.I only want what is best for the skins.

you beat me to the punch... i agree too... a mobile qb is not necessary....

rypien and doug williams make ramsey look like vick....and we played against some blitzing teams back then too... buddy ryan's eagles... lawrence taylor and the giants... two tall jones and cowboys....

it all starts up front....and then the qb needs to make good decision... this year we will see what ramsey will do....

Things aren’t as bad as you’re making them out to be. If our receivers were terrible it is because we had a terrible qb start the season. Ramsey had to step in the middle of the season and it was like he was starting from scratch. At the end of the year he was in mid season from and the skins were actually competing. As for the o-line, it was make shift all year because of injuries and a sub par center. With Jon Jansen back and a good center, there should be stability as long as they stay healthy. And for portis, give him a break, he a product of his environment which was shaky oline. However he still managed to rush over 1300 yards. He should have a much higher average this year because the oline will be better. Ramsey and ey were the only bright spots last year?!?!?!? How about a 2nd ranked defense, I would say that’s blinding. And with a new talented corner back to replace smoot, the defense will still be darn good. Also, I would like to point out; the off-season isn’t over yet. There are still going to be June 1rst cuts. From what I have read there will be quality guys available after that, like Isaac Bruce.

that last post was meant to be in response to the surly John Manfreda

football wrote:that last post was meant to be in response to the surly John Manfreda

Since you couldn't pick up on things I was talking about, it was the offense. Portis also hasn't proved he could last a full season. He got injured in Denver and he got injured this past year.

I'm not sold on this pick just yet. Not because I don't think we will need a QB down the road, but rather because I think we could have traded down a little bit and still gotten Campbell, as well as another pick.

Campbell will be a better QB than Ramsey. He played in a competitive conference, went through several OC changes, and he has won in big games against the best competition. Ramsey has a cannon. Thats just about it. He doesn't make good decisions when it is crunch time and he couldn't avoid a pass rush from Donovan Mcnabb's mom. Yes mobile QBs have won the superbowl. Joe Montana and Steve Young. They don't have to run all the time like Vick to be mobile. Tom Brady is mobile, he moves really well in the pocket. Ramsey moves about as well as Bledsoe and a statue. Campbell may not have been the pick we all wanted, but with Ramsey in a walk year he will be needed. Plus, he will have a year of experience in the NFL that draft pick next year would not have had. This will pan out to be a good pick.

John Manfreda wrote:

football wrote:that last post was meant to be in response to the surly John Manfreda

Since you couldn't pick up on things I was talking about, it was the offense. Portis also hasn't proved he could last a full season. He got injured in Denver and he got injured this past year.

hey jerk off, since you couldnt pick up on things.. i was addressing the comment you made on the offense

football wrote:

John Manfreda wrote:

football wrote:that last post was meant to be in response to the surly John Manfreda

Since you couldn't pick up on things I was talking about, it was the offense. Portis also hasn't proved he could last a full season. He got injured in Denver and he got injured this past year.

hey jerk off, since you couldnt pick up on things.. i was addressing the comment you made on the offense

Hey football, I suggest you read the rules, before you get banned.

It seems to me this is the worse off season in Redskin history. We've failed to address our weaknesses and cut our strengths, as well as gambled out future on a project for whom we have colossally overpaid. It's gone from bad to worse. Opportunities have been squandered, money has been thrown away, and money has been foolishly hoarded. Frankly, the only thing I've liked this off-season is the front office's attempt to draft a short yard back in the late rounds.

JSPB22 wrote:Hey football, I suggest you read the rules, before you get banned.

Maybe not banned, but definitely rebuked.

crazyhorse1 wrote:It seems to me this is the worse off season in Redskin history. We've failed to address our weaknesses and cut our strengths, as well as gambled out future on a project for whom we have colossally overpaid. It's gone from bad to worse. Opportunities have been squandered, money has been thrown away, and money has been foolishly hoarded. Frankly, the only thing I've liked this off-season is the front office's attempt to draft a short yard back in the late rounds.

Not only did we get a short yardage back we got a CB that may start from day 1.

a natural ILB and one that will be moved inside to compete for the starting spot in training camp

A Backup QB that we might not mind seeing coming off the bench

Gibbs said no Defensive lineman had been selected because the plan is to bring a group of undrafted D-linemen in next week for tryouts. Part of his conversation with these guys was none would be drafted

crazyhorse1 wrote:It seems to me this is the worse off season in Redskin history. We've failed to address our weaknesses and cut our strengths, as well as gambled out future on a project for whom we have colossally overpaid. It's gone from bad to worse. Opportunities have been squandered, money has been thrown away, and money has been foolishly hoarded. Frankly, the only thing I've liked this off-season is the front office's attempt to draft a short yard back in the late rounds.

This is far from the worst offseason we have had. It just looks that way right now. We gave up draft picks BIG FREAKIN DEAL the draft is more or less a crap shoot anyway, sometimes you get lucky sometimes you don't. There are always more draft day bust than their are Draft Successes. Otherwise you would be able to draft an entire team of players and ride them to the superbowl.

Gibbs gave up picks because he saw something in this kid that he liked and he wanted to build a team around. Ramsey is nice and he is our present but Campbell is our Future. Its almost like buying clothes once you get the right shoes everything else is easy.

Also People stop crying about needing receivers. So what if we don't have a Huge Receiver or a super big name receiver. What we should be looking for is guys who can catch the ball consistantly. None of the Posse was Big or really a big name, and the ones that didn't end their carrers in Washington didn't have big numbers anywhere else (with the exception of Desmond Howard but I don't actually consider him a member, more as an understudy). We have a core group of guys so lets watch them work.

There is no way we gave up too much in this draft seeing that so far this offseason we have only lost 2 defensive players from a #2 Defense (#1 in the NFC) and move have been made to make the offense better and more efficent. Lets all just stop our whinning for a few months dust of the the old skins jersy and get ready to sign Hail to the Redskins at the very top of our lungs next season.

John Manfreda wrote:

football wrote:that last post was meant to be in response to the surly John Manfreda

Since you couldn't pick up on things I was talking about, it was the offense. Portis also hasn't proved he could last a full season. He got injured in Denver and he got injured this past year.

the guy missed one game last year due to injury, the last game of the year against minny. and you can bet that if making the playoffs hinged on that game, he'd have played.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/g ... 0.htm#2004

Back to the QB...

To all you guys bashing Ramsey:

Many of these posts have sounded all too similar to comments made a few years ago...when we drafted Ramsey. Will you all flip-flop again if Campbell doesn't work out?

It seems to me that we need stability at the QB position. The past 3, 5, whatever, years have not afforded us that luxury. If Campbell's the guy, fine; but it seems like we are heading down the same path we have taken over and over again. I say we start Ramsey, and hope he plays healthy for the whole season - something we need for a successful offense. Just my

Beast of the East wrote:...and the team has never rallied around him...

What?

Beast of the East wrote:...how soon we forget the times when Ramsy tore our hearts out with just throwing the ball up because he didn't want to get hit...

Didn't Ramsey get beat only by Ray Lewis for the 2004 Toughman Contest - due to the beating that he TOOK? Sure some balls were thrown away, and poor decisions made (happens to the best quarterbacks as well); but I seem to recall Ramsey going down hard down after down - many times still holding on to the ball. Now, I don't like sacks, but did he alienate himself from the team by screaming at them? No. The O-Line? No. Did the team "rally" around Ramsey during this stretch? Most likely, because a lot of it was their fault.

Beast of the East wrote:...another facor is Ramsy has a contract coming up and he is going to want LOOT! has he earned it? would he hold out?....

You been smokin' something with D. Rosenhaus? J. Sexon? From what I have seen, Ramsey is a pretty modest guy...I doubt he would hold out unless he had a stellar performance last year...

Beast of the East wrote:...Now when campbell is out there avoiding sacks, throwing hot reads, rallying the team and and not turning the ball over you all will be glad that we have our own superstar at quarter back(how many of you think ramsy will be a superstar) none of you!

I hope Campbell works out. That said, please be prepared to back up these comments, should Campbell meet the same fate as Ramsey 2 or 3 years from now.

Greetings from NYC! Looking at the over all picture I am pleased with the Redskin's off season moves. With Lavar and Barrow returning we have upgraded our linebacking corps. With Patton and Moss we have upgraded our recieving corps. With Janson and the new guy from Baltimore we have upgraded our O line and with the draft we have upgraded our special teams and improved the future of our D back field. Not to mention that we may just have found our QB of the future! The D line was not that bad last year. Just because we did not throw money at a big name free agent that is past his prime does not mean we had a bad off season!

Beast of the East wrote:...Now when campbell is out there avoiding sacks, throwing hot reads, rallying the team and and not turning the ball over you all will be glad that we have our own superstar at quarter back(how many of you think ramsy will be a superstar) none of you!

I think Ramsey (note the correct spelling of his name!) can be a superstar. I also think we won't be seeing Campbell "out there avoiding sacks, throwing hot reads, rallying the team and and not turning the ball over" for at least two seasons, so in the meantime, you better get behind Patrick.