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If we do get Jason Campbell I imagine that we would then trade Ramsey for a draft pick.

How high of a pick do you think we could get for him?

Before you answer keep in mind that the Eagles were able to get a 2 for AJ Feeley, who is completely worthless.

I think at least we'd be able to get like 2 and 3 in the 2006 Draft.

It's time for the Skins to start stockpiling draft choices instead of giving them away.

Dont think PRAM is on the way out just yet.

SKINZ_DOMIN8 wrote:I personally think it is time we ended the Patrick Ramsey experiment on the Redskins. Unless he has a super-outstanding year this upcoming season, my guess is he is gone. Gibbs doesn't have much patience when it comes to QB's (see Schroeder, Williams, Rypien).

Really, look at his patience with noodle arm last year or go dig up some stats on Theismann the year LT ended his misery. His numbers were pathetic but Joe was loyal. The year was 1985.

Theismann has a ring and therefore should have been given more than the benefit of the doubt.

Just my opinion, but Ramsey has been given plenty of opportunity since he came here. If he were so good he would have won the job outright which he couldn't do last training camp and was beaten out by your "noodle arm."

I do believe though that we have not seen the last of Brunell and if indeed the rumours are true that we draft a QB, it would certainly not bode well for Ramsey.


BTW, love your signature.

Here's the low down according to FATTY McFAT-FAT:

Redskins targeting Auburn's CampbellBy Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com


Just three years after investing a first-round choice on quarterback Patrick Ramsey, the Washington Redskins are plotting to acquire the possible replacement for the man who currently holds the top spot on their depth chart.

Washington, already slated to pick ninth overall, added a second selection in the first round of the 2005 draft on Tuesday night, acquiring the 25th pick overall from the Denver Broncos. The prospect Washington brass is eyeing at No. 25? Auburn quarterback Jason Campbell.

In return for the Broncos' first-round choice, which Denver officials have been shopping for the past few days, the Redskins surrendered their third-round pick (76th overall) in this year's draft, along with first- and fourth-round selections in 2006. The haul is reflective of the regard in which they hold Campbell, who was 31-8 as a starter in college.

Even before their most substantive predraft review of the position late last week, Redskins coaches and scouts had regarded Campbell as on par with Alex Smith of Utah and California's Aaron Rodgers, generally regarded as the top two quarterback prospects. A lengthy film study of Campbell further strengthened Washington's resolve to move on the Auburn quarterback.

Several Redskins officials, including coach Joe Gibbs, were on the Auburn campus Tuesday for a private meeting with Campbell.

During his 46 appearances for the Tigers, Campbell completed 552 of 854 passes for 7,299 yards, with 45 touchdown passes and 24 interceptions. Despite playing under different offensive coordinators during each of his four seasons, Campbell completed more than 60 percent of his passes all four years. He completed 69.6 percent of his attempts while leading undefeated Auburn to a No. 2 ranking and a 16-13 win over Virginia Tech in the Sugar Bowl.

The Redskins now must guard against another team jumping ahead of them and grabbing Campbell, one of the draft's fastest rising prospects.

Certainly the flirtation with Campbell is not good news for Ramsey, the Redskins' top pick in the 2002 draft (32nd overall) and the man who finished the 2004 season as Washington's starter. The former Tulane star replaced Mark Brunell in the lineup for the second half of the season and started the final seven games.

Washington might entertain a trade for Ramsey, provided they get Campbell and feel he can play immediately for them. Brunell and Tim Hasselbeck, who on Monday signed his one-year restricted free agent qualifying offer of $656,000, remain on the roster.

For his career, the 26-year-old Ramsey has completed 465 of 836 passes for 5,370 yards, with 33 touchdown passes and 28 interceptions. He has started in 23 of 29 appearances.

Meanwhile, the Redskins say they aren't trading their No. 9 pick, which they'll likely use on a cornerback, but they're not ruling out any possibilities.

"Right now, we've had no discussions with anyone about trading away the ninth pick," team president and coach Joe Gibbs said. "Are we considering any options we are presented with? Yes. We'll consider anything, but no one has presented a compelling scenario."

More Info on all of this according to Gary Horton of ESPN:

GARY HORTON
OK, when you make a trade like this, five or six days out from the draft, it doesn't make sense that you are doing it for a specific player in the draft b/c too many things can happen btwn now and Sat. I don't buy the fact that the Skins wanted another 1st round pick to acquire Jason Campbell b/c why would they wait until draft day when they were on the floor and saw how the flow of the draft was going and could see what their options were. I think Campbell would be there, but there is no way Wash would show their hand to 31 teams and what they were going to do. I don't think Joe Gibbs wants to develop a rookie QB at this stage in his carreer. In my opinion, the Skins have something else -- one of two scenarios ...

GARY HORTON
ONE -- they could have acquired the 2nd first round pick to give them ammunition to trade up for a player or make some moves that required extra juice.

GARY HORTON
OR TWO (which I think is most likely) -- they may have a veteran in mind to make a trade for b/c this deal seems like another team is dictating i.e. If you go out and get a first round pick we will make a deal for a specific player. I just don't think the Redskins would deal with generalities in the draft, I think they have something specific in mind ... regarding a trade for a vet.

SKINZ_DOMIN8 wrote:Just my opinion, but Ramsey has been given plenty of opportunity since he came here. If he were so good he would have won the job outright which he couldn't do last training camp and was beaten out by your "noodle arm."

I don't think it's fair to judge Ramsey on the past two seasons without taking into consideration the circumstances under which he has played. In three seasons, he's had so many personal and coaching changes, it's nearly impossible for him to reach his potential. Even this year, with two new primary receivers (assuming Westbrook leaves), one of whom isn't showing up at Redskins Park at a critical time, there's going to be an adjustment phase. The kid spent so much time on his back in 2003, he's lucky to be alive. He's shown some great flashes of skill and I think all he needs is some consistency around him, including consistent protection.

Brunell, on the other hand, demonstrated how much he has lost. That's not to say he's done or completely washed up, but he was outright missing receivers. Some of that may have been the routes those guys were running but I'll only accept that excuse to a point.

This is from fanball.com:

April 20, 2005 12:02 AM ET
Redskins: Campbell targeted with newly acquired pick
The News
After acquiring the No. 25 overall pick in this weekend's draft from the Broncos on Tuesday, the Redskins are hoping to use it to select former Auburn quarterback Jason Campbell, according to an ESPN website report. Campbell logged a 31-8 record as a starter for the Tigers. The Redskins also hold the No. 9 overall pick in the draft.
Our View
If this report is accurate, Patrick Ramsey's days as the starter in Washington could be coming to an end. Skins' scouts feel that Campbell is at the same level as top-rated rookie signal callers Alex Smith (Utah) and Aaron Rodgers (California), and it appears team officials were willing to part with a third-round pick this season and first- and fourth-round picks in 2006 to get their man.

tx_skins_fan wrote:This is from fanball.com:

April 20, 2005 12:02 AM ET
Redskins: Campbell targeted with newly acquired pick
The News
After acquiring the No. 25 overall pick in this weekend's draft from the Broncos on Tuesday, the Redskins are hoping to use it to select former Auburn quarterback Jason Campbell, according to an ESPN website report. Campbell logged a 31-8 record as a starter for the Tigers. The Redskins also hold the No. 9 overall pick in the draft.
Our View
If this report is accurate, Patrick Ramsey's days as the starter in Washington could be coming to an end. Skins' scouts feel that Campbell is at the same level as top-rated rookie signal callers Alex Smith (Utah) and Aaron Rodgers (California), and it appears team officials were willing to part with a third-round pick this season and first- and fourth-round picks in 2006 to get their man.

If people are going to keep posting articles about this rumor for Campbell, we need to see something other than an article citing ESPN. This is all Len Pasquerelli's (sp?) uninformed speculation. How is it that this man seems to have SO MUCH insight into the Redskins meeting rooms but nobody else seems to know a thing? The man is a fraud.

spudstr04 wrote:Here's the low down according to FATTY McFAT-FAT:

Redskins targeting Auburn's CampbellBy Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com


Just three years after investing a first-round choice on quarterback Patrick Ramsey, the Washington Redskins are plotting to acquire the possible replacement for the man who currently holds the top spot on their depth chart.

Washington, already slated to pick ninth overall, added a second selection in the first round of the 2005 draft on Tuesday night, acquiring the 25th pick overall from the Denver Broncos. The prospect Washington brass is eyeing at No. 25? Auburn quarterback Jason Campbell.

In return for the Broncos' first-round choice, which Denver officials have been shopping for the past few days, the Redskins surrendered their third-round pick (76th overall) in this year's draft, along with first- and fourth-round selections in 2006. The haul is reflective of the regard in which they hold Campbell, who was 31-8 as a starter in college.

Even before their most substantive predraft review of the position late last week, Redskins coaches and scouts had regarded Campbell as on par with Alex Smith of Utah and California's Aaron Rodgers, generally regarded as the top two quarterback prospects. A lengthy film study of Campbell further strengthened Washington's resolve to move on the Auburn quarterback.

Several Redskins officials, including coach Joe Gibbs, were on the Auburn campus Tuesday for a private meeting with Campbell.

During his 46 appearances for the Tigers, Campbell completed 552 of 854 passes for 7,299 yards, with 45 touchdown passes and 24 interceptions. Despite playing under different offensive coordinators during each of his four seasons, Campbell completed more than 60 percent of his passes all four years. He completed 69.6 percent of his attempts while leading undefeated Auburn to a No. 2 ranking and a 16-13 win over Virginia Tech in the Sugar Bowl.

The Redskins now must guard against another team jumping ahead of them and grabbing Campbell, one of the draft's fastest rising prospects.

Certainly the flirtation with Campbell is not good news for Ramsey, the Redskins' top pick in the 2002 draft (32nd overall) and the man who finished the 2004 season as Washington's starter. The former Tulane star replaced Mark Brunell in the lineup for the second half of the season and started the final seven games.

Washington might entertain a trade for Ramsey, provided they get Campbell and feel he can play immediately for them. Brunell and Tim Hasselbeck, who on Monday signed his one-year restricted free agent qualifying offer of $656,000, remain on the roster.

For his career, the 26-year-old Ramsey has completed 465 of 836 passes for 5,370 yards, with 33 touchdown passes and 28 interceptions. He has started in 23 of 29 appearances.

Meanwhile, the Redskins say they aren't trading their No. 9 pick, which they'll likely use on a cornerback, but they're not ruling out any possibilities.

"Right now, we've had no discussions with anyone about trading away the ninth pick," team president and coach Joe Gibbs said. "Are we considering any options we are presented with? Yes. We'll consider anything, but no one has presented a compelling scenario."

Yeah, Lenny also said we were going after KEVIN DYSON.....then the following week he said we were after ANDRE DYSON....neither are on the team.

You should know by now, don't even bother reading his buffet banter.

This is all:





SMOKE....and Len Pasquarelli is choking on it!!!!!!


Vinny says one thing, Gibbs says another. Good cop, bad cop.
Gibbs is a master of deception. Some of the old timers can chime in on how Gibbs stashed healthy guys on IR and hid people in the woods around Redskin Park to look for spys.

He is a paranoid genius that uses the media as a tool. Gibb's isn't dumb...and neither is the FO. This off-season is about to get the BANG we've been waiting for....

SKINZ_DOMIN8 wrote:Theismann has a ring and therefore should have been given more than the benefit of the doubt.

Just my opinion, but Ramsey has been given plenty of opportunity since he came here. If he were so good he would have won the job outright which he couldn't do last training camp and was beaten out by your "noodle arm."

I do believe though that we have not seen the last of Brunell and if indeed the rumours are true that we draft a QB, it would certainly not bode well for Ramsey.


BTW, love your signature.

Come on dude, Ramsey had an injured foot and was learning a new system. Give the kid a break. If he doesnt perform this year then say what you want but in the games he started he was 3-4 and three of those losses were to philly and Pitt, two of the best teams in the league. The other loss in Dallass should not have happened.

If we DO trade Ramsey, it won't be this year. He'll be our starter this year, and Cambell would be the backup. He'd learn and then start next year.

That is IF we get Cambell and think he is capable of starting.

hatsOFF2gibbs wrote:If we DO trade Ramsey, it won't be this year. He'll be our starter this year, and Cambell would be the backup. He'd learn and then start next year.

That is IF we get Cambell and think he is capable of starting.

I don't buy it for a second. I don't think we're going after Campbell.

psummersjr wrote:

hatsOFF2gibbs wrote:If we DO trade Ramsey, it won't be this year. He'll be our starter this year, and Cambell would be the backup. He'd learn and then start next year.

That is IF we get Cambell and think he is capable of starting.

I don't buy it for a second. I don't think we're going after Campbell.

I agree. I think this is all talk and rumors to get others nervous.
We're not going to get a QB! Probably a CB with the 9th (assuming MWilliams is not there) and a WR or HMiller with the 25th.

But anyhow, this draft is going to be really interesting. Last year, we were sure we were going to get Taylor or Winslow. This year, thre are a lot of options. I don't know what JGibbs is going to do but whatever he does should be for the good of the team.

I think Ramsey will be a contract problem next year, so a QB upgrade is on the horizon...Chicken Littles: time to run around in confusion (again), wail at the sky (again), and continue to wonder about old Joe...he's eons ahead of you...

Chicken Little?? Are you referring to me?

No...You've been less negative (more positive) lately, Hats ...I'm referring to the posters who react to every rumor by their wonderment as to what Joe is doing before considering the possibilities...you know, the posters that must be fun to be around on April Fool's day, who fall for the same, dumb, lame jokes every year...

Don't think it likely Gibbs would want another young QB at this point in time, espically with his preference for a vetreran at the position. While he may not be that enamoure with Ramsey I don't think he would embrace the growing pains of a youngster when he'll take at least two of the four years Gibbs intends to coach just to begin to develop.

There actually is a POLL on ESPN about this!

They are that confident in their story.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/index


And Jason Campbell has a lot of votes (from Cowboy fans)

There just isnt anything to talk about today but this. I wouldnt worry about it.

none of you guys answered the initial question

What pick could we get for Ramsey?

Cooley47 wrote:none of you guys answered the initial question

What pick could we get for Ramsey?

Woould have to be a first rounder, middle 1st rounder at that. Since you want to keep entertaining this idea!
Patrick is going to be so on point this year...you just watch

Man there is no way we are thinking of getting another QB. If we were thinking of it we would have cut Hasselbeck instead of resigning him. And plus Gibbs expressed much interest in Ramsey for the 2005/2006 season. But ill tell you this, Gibbs will give Ramsey one more year to prove himself... If he doesnt hes out the door.

I agree. No one is talking about getting rid of Ramsey. They are just throwing up a smokescreen for their real plan. Some other trade is driving this deal. Some other team said if you get another first round pick we'll deal player X. I'm thinking we are going to package the #25 pick with Rod Gardner for some stud player and low round picks. Of course, we could keep the #25 and trade the #9+Gardner for the player and picks.