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Redskins will NOT trade #9 Pick
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 11:12 am
by Jake
Redskins Outline 1st-Round Plans
By Gary Fitzgerald
Redskins.com
April 19, 2005
The Redskins will use their first round pick to select a player in this weekend's upcoming draft, the team announced Tuesday.
"We have no intention of trading the ninth pick of the draft," said Vinny Cerrato, vice president of football operations. "Anything reported to the contrary is incorrect."
The Washington Post incorrectly reported on Tuesday that the team was in discussions to trade the pick to the Oakland Raiders in return for cornerback Phillip Buchanon.
"That is not true," Cerrato said. "We are not trading that pick."
http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=6474
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 11:48 am
by SkinzCanes
I don't think that you can believe those comments 100%. Last year the Redskins were very secretive about their draft plans and this could just be posturing to put pressure on a team that wants to trade up. Also you never know what types of trades will be offered on draft day.
From the Post:
The Washington Redskins are exploring several trade scenarios regarding their first-round pick in this weekend's NFL draft, and several league sources indicated that one involves obtaining cornerback Phillip Buchanon from Oakland.
Vinny Cerrato, Washington's vice president of football operations, denied any talks with Oakland late last week. While Coach Joe Gibbs has declined to comment on particular trade discussions, he said the team is speaking with other teams to gauge interest in pre-draft trades.
League sources said trade talks between Washington and Oakland are ongoing, and the Redskins are considering a handful of other avenues as well, including trading down. No deals were imminent as of last night, according to a source with direct knowledge of the situation. The Redskins often dealt high draft picks during Gibbs's first stint as coach -- which included three Super Bowl titles -- and the team has made a practice of trading draft picks in recent years.
A move with the Raiders could include the Redskins swapping their first-round pick (ninth overall) to Oakland in exchange for Buchanon, 24, and Oakland's second-round selection (the Redskins lack a second-round pick). The Redskins spent the past month evaluating a trio of cornerbacks expected to go in the first round of the draft -- visiting with Adam "Pac-Man" Jones, Antrel Rolle and Carlos Rogers -- but the club's desire for an experienced cornerback able to start immediately in Gregg Williams's complex defensive system could result in a trade instead.
Buchanon expressed an interest in playing elsewhere during the season and league sources said the Raiders are trying to oblige; his name surfaced repeatedly during earlier trade talks when Oakland traded its first-round pick for Pro Bowl wide receiver Randy Moss. Buchanon, the 17th overall pick in 2002, has slipped in recent years, playing on a poor defensive team. The Redskins lost stalwart cornerback Fred Smoot in free agency last month, dealt perennial Pro Bowl corner Champ Bailey the year before and currently have only two veteran corners, one of whom, Walt Harris, is a year removed from recovering from a career-threatening knee injury.
While team sources have indicated the Redskins think highly of the young corners available, there are no guarantees the team would get one of them with the ninth pick, and team sources say Washington is not inclined to trade up and pay substantially more in salary and signing bonuses. Washington could address its need at wide receiver early in the second round -- the team also brought in a host of wide receivers for pre-draft visits -- with Oakland's pick at 38th overall.
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 12:15 pm
by Jake
That's the article that the team is refuting.
If they say they won't trade the pick, I'll believe them.
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 12:32 pm
by groundss
"Let me tell you something. In the NFL, they ought name April 'National Liars Month.' Because you're not getting the truth out of too many teams when they're talking about the draft."
-- Gil Brandt, former Dallas player personnel director and current NFL.com and Sirius NFL radio analyst, on changeups being thrown to the media and other teams before the draft.
Let me tell all of you something: Truer words have never been spoken.
Take it for what it's worth, but I couldn't agree more. Right now everything is just pure speculation.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/peter_king/04/18/mmqb.draft.smith/2.html
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 1:02 pm
by REDEEMEDSKIN
Jake wrote:If they say they won't trade the pick, I'll believe them.
I believe them 100% that they don't INTEND TO trade the #9, but I don't discount the possibility that their intentions could change, for the right price.
Joe and co. ain't lying. They just aren't revealing all the facts. 
Whatever they decide to do with the #9 pick will definitely be kept under wraps and won't be broadcast thru the media, until after the pick/trade is done.
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 1:36 pm
by JansenFan
New from the post...Gibbs Cerrato Disagree
Gibbs, Cerrato Offer Different Ideas for Top Pick
By Jason LaCanfora and Mark Maske
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, April 19, 2005; 12:31 PM
Washington Redskins vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato issued a statement today saying that the team has decided to keep the No. 9 pick in the NFL draft after Coach Joe Gibbs said Monday night that the team is still exploring many trade options.
"There's a lot going on out there," Gibbs said in an interview Monday night at Redskins Park.
In his statement today, Cerrato said, "We have no intention of trading the ninth pick of the draft. Anything reported to the contrary is incorrect."
As team president, Gibbs has final say on all personnel decisions. He was not immediately available for comment today on Cerrato's statement that the team is no longer interested in trading the pick.
The Washington Post, citing league sources, reported this morning that the team is exploring several trade scenarios and one involved obtaining Oakland Raiders cornerback Philip Buchanon and the Raiders' second-round pick, the 38th overall, for Washington's first-round pick.
During the interview Monday night, Gibbs was told what the sources had said to the Post about Buchanon and was asked if that information was incorrect. "I never said there was nothing to it," Gibbs said Monday night. In the past, Gibbs has told reporters when he believed information they presented to him was incorrect.
Gibbs said on Friday that the Redskins were discussing trade scenarios with "four or five teams" and that trading down was possible. He reiterated that Monday.
This morning, the Post contacted another source with direct knowledge of the discussions who confirmed that the Redskins and Raiders had talked about a deal for Buchanon.
The relationship between Cerrato, owner Dan Snyder and Gibbs has been controversial because the team does not have a general manager to handle personnel issues.
Wide receiver Laveranues Coles believed he had been promised his release by the team's front office in January and instead said he was threatened by Snyder when Coles refused to immediately accept a trade.
Coles was eventually traded to the Jets.
Linebacker LaVar Arrington remains mired in a dispute with the front office over a $6.5 million bonus payment he believes the team agreed to give him but then left out of his contract. A date has not been set for Arrington's grievance hearing against the team.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A1053-2005Apr19.html?referrer=email
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 3:02 pm
by Redskins1974
I think they're purposely putting up smoke signals.
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 3:05 pm
by BernieSki
The full article from the AP.
ASHBURN, Va. (AP) -- In an unusual early declaration of draft-day intentions, the Washington Redskins announced Tuesday they will stand pat with the No. 9 overall pick.
"We have no intention of trading the ninth pick of the draft," vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato said in a statement released by the team. "Anything reported to the contrary is incorrect."
Cerrato's statement came in response to a report in The Washington Post that the Redskins were negotiating a trade to send the pick to the Oakland Raiders for cornerback Phillip Buchanon.
"That is not true," Cerrato said. "We are not trading that pick."
An official within the league, speaking on condition of anonymity, told The Associated Press the Redskins have discussed the possible trade for Buchanon in recent days, but the official said none of the scenarios involved Washington's first-round pick Saturday. The official said the Redskins might trade a lower-round pick for Buchanon, but that no deal was imminent.
Even so, Cerrato's statement went beyond quashing the Buchanon story and ruled out any trade whatsoever for the No. 9 pick. The Redskins were thought to be a top contender to trade down to pick up a later first-round pick and a second-round selection. The Redskins currently don't have a second-round pick.
Cerrato was not immediately available for comment, but the official said the Redskins have received queries from several teams concerning the No. 9 selection. He added that the team would contemplate a trade if a better offer were made before Saturday.
Washington is expected to use its pick on a cornerback or receiver. Top prospects from both positions have visited Redskins Park in recent weeks. The Redskins could use a cornerback to replace Fred Smoot, who departed during free agency, and a receiver is needed because both Laveranues Coles and Rod Gardner requested trades. Coles was sent to the New York Jets for Santana Moss, while Gardner is still on the market.
Copyright 2005 Associated Press.
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 3:37 pm
by SkinzCanes
Even so, Cerrato's statement went beyond quashing the Buchanon story and ruled out any trade whatsoever for the No. 9 pick. The Redskins were thought to be a top contender to trade down to pick up a later first-round pick and a second-round selection. The Redskins currently don't have a second-round pick.
Yet such a deal could still happen. Cerrato was not available for further comment, but coach and team president Joe Gibbs later clarified the Redskins' position.
``Right now, we've had no discussions with anyone about trading away the ninth pick,'' Gibbs said. ``Are we considering any options we are presented with? Yes. We'll consider anything, but no one has presented a compelling scenario.''
In essence, Tuesday's statement was a signal to the rest of the league that the Redskins do not consider Buchanon worthy of a first-round pick. Buchanon has said he is unhappy in Oakland, wants a trade, and Washington doesn't want the price tag to go too high.
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 3:40 pm
by SkinzCanes
Are Cerrato and Gibbs talking about the same draft
Gibbs' "clarification" seems to be saying the exact opposite of what Cerrato was saying.
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 4:01 pm
by BernieSki
Gibbs and Cerrato are playing Good Cop - Bad Cop, they can play both sides of the fence. Remember that Gibbs has the final say so.
Pick #9 going nowhere!
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 5:23 pm
by SKIN4LIFE
ASHBURN, Va. (AP) -- In an unusual early declaration of draft-day intentions, the Washington Redskins announced Tuesday they will stand pat with the No. 9 overall pick.
"We have no intention of trading the ninth pick of the draft," vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato said in a statement released by the team. "Anything reported to the contrary is incorrect."
Cerrato's statement came in response to a report in The Washington Post that the Redskins were negotiating a trade to send the pick to the Oakland Raiders for cornerback Phillip Buchanon.
"That is not true," Cerrato said. "We are not trading that pick."
An official within the league, speaking on condition of anonymity, told The Associated Press the Redskins have discussed the possible trade for Buchanon in recent days, but the official said none of the scenarios involved Washington's first-round pick Saturday. The official said the Redskins might trade a lower-round pick for Buchanon, but that no deal was imminent.
Even so, Cerrato's statement went beyond quashing the Buchanon story and ruled out any trade whatsoever for the No. 9 pick. The Redskins were thought to be a top contender to trade down to pick up a later first-round pick and a second-round selection. The Redskins currently don't have a second-round pick.
Cerrato was not immediately available for comment, but the official said the Redskins have received queries from several teams concerning the No. 9 selection. He added that the team would contemplate a trade if a better offer were made before Saturday.
Washington is expected to use its pick on a cornerback or receiver. Top prospects from both positions have visited Redskins Park in recent weeks. The Redskins could use a cornerback to replace Fred Smoot, who departed during free agency, and a receiver is needed because both Laveranues Coles and Rod Gardner requested trades. Coles was sent to the New York Jets for Santana Moss, while Gardner is still on the market
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/f ... index.html
Personally I'm happy to read this. I think that Buchanon is worth trading any of our picks but #9.
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 5:32 pm
by Fios
Jake said it in another thread but the last thing the Redskins need is another petulant, self-centered, U-Miami, Rosenhaus client.
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 5:58 pm
by vtfootball07
The best part about this is what the post wrote to create chaos within the organization:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/ar ... Apr19.html
washingtonpost.com
Gibbs, Cerrato Clash Over Plans for Top Pick
Statements Raise Questions Over Who Is Running Redskins
By Jason LaCanfora and Mark Maske
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, April 19, 2005; 4:19 PM
The Washington Redskins issued a series of contradictory statements today about whether they were willing to trade their first-round pick in Saturday's NFL draft, adding to the uncertainty about the fate of the selection and raising questions about who is running the team.
Coach Joe Gibbs found himself in the odd position of refuting a statement released earlier in the day by vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato and a story on the team's own Web site.
The team's Web site, matching a news release sent out by the team this morning, reported that the Redskins "will use their first-round pick to select a player in this weekend's upcoming draft" and Cerrato said, "We are not trading that pick."
But in his own statement Gibbs provided one of those contrary reports when he said the team will "consider anything."
"Are we considering any options we are presented with? Yes, we'll consider anything," Gibbs said. Team officials said Gibbs was unavailable to be interviewed because he was out of the office.
As team president, Gibbs has final say on all personnel decisions. Gibbs said on Friday that the Redskins were discussing trade scenarios with "four or five teams" and that trading down was possible. He reiterated that Monday.
The Washington Post, citing league sources, reported this morning that the team is exploring several trade scenarios and one involved obtaining Oakland Raiders cornerback Philip Buchanon and the Raiders' second-round pick, the 38th overall, for Washington's first-round pick.
This morning, the Post contacted another source with direct knowledge of the discussions who confirmed that the Redskins and Raiders had talked about a deal for Buchanon and that the Raiders favored the deal.
The Associated Press this afternoon confirmed the Redskins-Raiders talks about Buchanon but said the Redskins might trade a lower-round pick for Buchanon. But the Redskins don't have second-round pick and few starting NFL cornerbacks in their prime can be had for anything lower.
Cerrato has denied since Thursday that the Redskins have even talked to the Raiders about Buchanon, saying "there is no truth to it."
The structure of the Redskins' front office has long been a source of controversy. The team is run by the triumvirate of Cerrato, owner Dan Snyder and Gibbs and does not have a general manager, which critics say is to blame for the team's inability to make the playoffs since 1999.
Wide receiver Laveranues Coles believed he had been promised his release by the team's front office in January and instead said he was threatened by Snyder when Coles refused to immediately accept a trade.
Coles was eventually traded to the Jets.
Linebacker LaVar Arrington remains mired in a dispute with the front office over a $6.5 million bonus payment he believes the team agreed to give him but then left out of his contract. A date has not been set for Arrington's grievance hearing against the team.
I thought that Maske was above writing such worthless drivel, but apparently not.
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 6:13 pm
by Jake
Already posted by me. I'm going to merge this thread with mine.
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 7:29 pm
by 1niksder
"That is not true," Cerrato said. "We are not trading that pick."
This was said before we picked up the #25 pick, and you have to think that Vinny C. knew we were working on getting it when he made this statement.
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 11:48 am
by fleetus
They wouldn't have much leverage in a trade if other teams believe they are desperate to trade down. The don't "INTEND" to trade down until someone makes them a great offer. Nothing dishonest about that.