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Redskins May Trade Draft Pick

Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 11:29 pm
by hatsOFF2gibbs
Redskins May Trade Draft Pick
Raiders CB Buchanon Could Be Part of Deal

By Jason La Canfora
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, April 19, 2005; Page D01

The Washington Redskins are exploring several trade scenarios regarding their first-round pick in this weekend's NFL draft, and several league sources indicated that one involves obtaining cornerback Phillip Buchanon from Oakland.

Vinny Cerrato, Washington's vice president of football operations, denied any talks with Oakland late last week. While Coach Joe Gibbs has declined to comment on particular trade discussions, he said the team is speaking with other teams to gauge interest in pre-draft trades.

League sources said trade talks between Washington and Oakland are ongoing, and the Redskins are considering a handful of other avenues as well, including trading down. No deals were imminent as of last night, according to a source with direct knowledge of the situation. The Redskins often dealt high draft picks during Gibbs's first stint as coach -- which included three Super Bowl titles -- and the team has made a practice of trading draft picks in recent years.

A move with the Raiders could include the Redskins swapping their first-round pick (ninth overall) to Oakland in exchange for Buchanon, 24, and Oakland's second-round selection (the Redskins lack a second-round pick). The Redskins spent the past month evaluating a trio of cornerbacks expected to go in the first round of the draft -- visiting with Adam "Pac-Man" Jones, Antrel Rolle and Carlos Rogers -- but the club's desire for an experienced cornerback able to start immediately in Gregg Williams's complex defensive system could result in a trade instead.

Buchanon expressed an interest in playing elsewhere during the season and league sources said the Raiders are trying to oblige; his name surfaced repeatedly during earlier trade talks when Oakland traded its first-round pick for Pro Bowl wide receiver Randy Moss. Buchanon, the 17th overall pick in 2002, has slipped in recent years, playing on a poor defensive team. The Redskins lost stalwart cornerback Fred Smoot in free agency last month, dealt perennial Pro Bowl corner Champ Bailey the year before and currently have only two veteran corners, one of whom, Walt Harris, is a year removed from recovering from a career-threatening knee injury.

While team sources have indicated the Redskins think highly of the young corners available, there are no guarantees the team would get one of them with the ninth pick, and team sources say Washington is not inclined to trade up and pay substantially more in salary and signing bonuses. Washington could address its need at wide receiver early in the second round -- the team also brought in a host of wide receivers for pre-draft visits -- with Oakland's pick at 38th overall.

The Redskins are about $1.5 million under the salary cap and are trying to continue the defensive dominance established under Williams last season, when the unit ranked third in the NFL.

Buchanon has two years left on his contract worth a total of $1.5 million but would likely want a new deal as a part of any trade, league sources said. Buchanon is a product of the University of Miami and like, former Hurricanes Sean Taylor and Santana Moss, is represented by agent Drew Rosenhaus. Taylor and Moss are not attending Washington's voluntary optional workouts as they attempt to land new contracts, and, while Gibbs has spoken repeatedly about his disappointment at their absences, he also made a point to speak highly of the club's relationship with Rosenhaus during a news conference last week.

Buchanon is not the only veteran cornerback currently available. The Miami Dolphins are trying to deal veteran Patrick Surtain for draft picks, but, after an initial phone call, league sources said the teams have not been in touch. Some in the league are also watching Buffalo star Nate Clements closely; Clements, drafted by Williams when he was the Bills' head coach, has one year left on his contract, but Buffalo might deem too expensive to re-sign.

Like Oakland, the Bills lack a first-round pick. Gibbs denied any trade discussions with Buffalo last week and Clements's agent, Neil Cornrich, declined to comment on any potential interest in Clements yesterday, but during a conversation last week spoke glowingly of the player's bond with Williams.

"Nate tremendously enjoyed playing for Coach Williams and he seemed to be a very good fit for Gregg's system," Cornrich said. "Nate led the Bills in interceptions every year he played for coach Williams and he's certainly one of the best defensive coaches in the NFL."

The Redskins and Bills have not discussed a Clements trade, sources said. If negotiations for Buchanon break down, the Redskins could still look to trade down and accrue more draft selections, although the prevailing opinion about the lack of star power available in this draft and number of teams looking to drop down could make finding a trade partner more difficult.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/ar ... Apr18.html
hmmmmmmmmm.....interesting.....

(I didn't know what forum to but this under Hog Wash or Draft.)

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 12:12 am
by vife
That could be good, a proven CB and a draft pick. I say keep it up. Nice post.

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 1:09 am
by SkinsFan4Life
The Redskins are about $1.5 million under the salary cap


I've seen this figure reported by WP several times. But it doesn't make sense to me. If Pierce and Smoot had signed with the Skins instead of for slightly more money elsewhere, would that have put us way over the cap?

I thought that by not signing these two players, we would somehow save some cap money? Did we sign some other big-money player instead of them? Any cap guru out there willing to explain?

I'm now begining to believe that maxim that says "no matter what happens, we will always be $1.5 to $2 million under the cap".

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 1:24 am
by Pudgeman37
Ok, now it gets interesting. As I see it, it's a wait and see for the Skins. The Vikings have now become part of the puzzle. If the rumor is true and they move up to the top 3, this bodes well for the Skins to get Mike Williams. However, if that plan doesn't go through, trade down and find a suitor that wants Shawne Merriman or Derrick Johnson(Calling KC Chiefs and Chargers). Ask the Chargers for one first rounder and next year's first round pick.

And let me say about getting a CB in the first round. If this were two years ago, this would of been a tough decision and the CB would of been coveted. Now, with the rule changes, everybody is jumping on the CB bus. Let me say this, of all the CB starters in both conference championship games last season, how many were drafted in the top ten? One (D'Angelo Hall). CB is not a luxury position no more. If people can hold their spot, they're be fine. And people tell us we need a shutdown corner. Just ask Champ, as well as Smoot, who only played #2 WRs. Just stop with the CB talk. In my opinion, there are two options, Draft Mike Williams, or trade down. Chances are Mike Williams is available if the rumors are ture, but I'm sticking to trading down.

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 2:05 am
by BigSkinNig
If we get buchanon (proven vetern starter) late 1st rounder and a second outnd pick for our ninth and we dont take it we are as dumb as can get ot woulndt make ne sence not to pull the trigger i dont care if randy moss him self is avaible at 9 were getting 3 players one proven for the price of one that could bust unless this is a huge fake i dont see why they havent pulled the trigger already

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 2:56 am
by Scottskins
because they aren't offering their 1st rounder. They are offering Buchanon and their 2nd rounder. Decent deal since the 2nd rounder is the 38th pick, but I'm not sold on bringing Buchanon in and giving him a new deal right away. Let's see you perform a little first. I'm tired of these guys holding us over the coals when they have no ground to stand on.

I say we make this trade as long as Buchanon knows ahead of time that we won't offer him an extension until he plays for us for a bit and performs well.

I also say we tell Taylor take your current contract or leave it. If he wants to sit and pout, he can do it in front of Danny's free plasma....

I'd also tell Moss that he has two options. Sign a very incentive laden contract right now that gives him the ability to be the highest paid receiver in the league, or play for us for this year and actually earn his new contract. Of course, to be the highest paid he'd have to lead the league in TDs, yards, receptions and we'd have to win a lot of games including the superbowl...

I guess my thinking is, why bring in another guy who is going to hold out when we can't even get the other guy we brought in to come to practice, let along our ROY from last season...

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 10:14 am
by BernieSki
Here is a differnet twist. Clayton is saying the Raiders may be seeking a player and a draft pick but not our first pick.

"One option being proposed by the Raiders is gaining some interest, according to John Clayton. The Raiders are willing to trade cornerback Phillip Buchanon, a former first-round choice. Buchanon would cost a draft choice and maybe a player, but that trade would give the Redskins the flexibility to take an offensive player at No. 9 or trade down a little in the first round and get an offensive player".

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 10:32 am
by oafusp
Buchanon is a bust.

Another Miami dude that thinks his S doesn't stink. He is already showing his attitude in Oakland, threatening to holdout because "he doesn't like it there". Why would you give up the #9 overall pick for a #17 overall pick CB that has blown out his knee and has not been that good????

It is not going to happen. This is just smoke the Skins are putting out there.

If it does, then......;furious;

I'd rather have Ty Law (no compensation needed)....or Surtain.

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 10:52 am
by Jake
Buchanon has too many things in common with Taylor and Moss.

1) All three went to Miami.

2) All three are represented by Drew Rosenhous.

3) All three want new contracts.

I don't want him added to the mix. I would have wanted him in 2003 before he screwed up his arm because he was playing like a beast but I don't like the afformentioned "extras" that would come along with him.

I'd rather have Clements but we can't afford him. Clements is underrated.

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 11:18 am
by spudstr04
I like this trade...we should se of the raiders would give up a later round pick for gardener as well....There's a lot of talent in the draft and we could awit until round 2 to get our WR

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 12:32 pm
by Brandon777
This trade would suck bad. We would be getting ripped off.

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 1:30 pm
by NC43Hog
I'm with you Jake - Clements would be a great fit - but pricey.

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 1:33 pm
by tx_skins_fan
Why don't we just sign Andre Dyson? Nobody picked him up yet, did they?

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 3:21 pm
by Redskins4Life
tx_skins_fan wrote:Why don't we just sign Andre Dyson? Nobody picked him up yet, did they?
'

Last I heard Dyson was about to get signed by someone... I forgot who, but it was mentioned in another thread or article I believe.

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 3:29 pm
by DeathByLinebacker#56
Buchanon isn't worth a 1st round pick period. A 3rd would be ok, though he should agree to a contract extension first. :twisted:

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 3:29 pm
by hatsOFF2gibbs
Redskins4Life wrote:
tx_skins_fan wrote:Why don't we just sign Andre Dyson? Nobody picked him up yet, did they?
'

Last I heard Dyson was about to get signed by someone... I forgot who, but it was mentioned in another thread or article I believe.


hatsOFF2gibbs wrote:
THE NEWS

Cornerback Andre Dyson, whom the Titans expected to lose via free agency, could still return to the team. Titans GM Floyd Reese told The Tennessean he is examining a contract proposal from Dyson's agent, and that the two sides have been in contact throughout the offseason. Dyson, for his part, indicated he would like to return to the team that drafted him in 2001.


OUR VIEW

If Dyson returns, not only would it shore up the Titans defensive backfield but it also could have major ramifications throughout the first round of the draft. With Dyson back, the Titans might pass on cornerbacks Antrel Rolle and Adam Jones and use the sixth overall pick to reunite wide receiver Mike Williams with his former offensive coordinator at USC, new Titans OC Norm Chow.

http://www.fanball.com/fb/index.cfm

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 3:38 pm
by hatsOFF2gibbs
THE NEWS

The Redskins have discussed the possibility of trading their No. 9 overall pick to the Raiders in exchange for cornerback Phillip Buchanon and Oakland's second-round pick, according to the Washington Post. The Skins are currently without a second-round pick, while the Raiders gave up their No. 7 overall pick to obtain Randy Moss from the Vikings.


OUR VIEW

A similar rumor was shot down by Redskins' vice president Vinny Cerrato last week, but this one appears to be gaining some momentum. The Skins had been rumored to be in the market for the best available cornerback in the draft. If team officials don't feel that the top rookie cornerbacks have as much potential as Buchanon, then we won't be surprised if this trade comes to fruition.

www.fanball.com

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 5:03 pm
by washington53
I would like that to happen.... Maybe we can also give em Gardner for a late pick. But id rather have a veteran who can adjust easily than a rookie

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 6:19 pm
by SKINZ_DOMIN8
Far more concerned about what we get in return for Gardner. He needs to go yesterday.

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 6:21 pm
by hatsOFF2gibbs
SKINZ_DOMIN8 wrote:Far more concerned about what we get in return for Gardner. He needs to go yesterday.


I don't think Gardner will be going anywhere. It's been like a month that the Skins have tried to trade him and no one seems to be interested. He's going to be our #2 or #3 WR next year. Hopefully 50/50 can upgrade to at least 75/50 or even better 85/50 !!! :)

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 6:59 pm
by 1niksder
hatsOFF2gibbs wrote:
SKINZ_DOMIN8 wrote:Far more concerned about what we get in return for Gardner. He needs to go yesterday.


I don't think Gardner will be going anywhere. It's been like a month that the Skins have tried to trade him and no one seems to be interested. He's going to be our #2 or #3 WR next year. Hopefully 50/50 can upgrade to at least 75/50 or even better 85/50 !!! :)

Gardner will be gone by Monday.
Buchanon isn't worth another 1st round pick, but if they'll take a 3rd rounder and a player that wouldn't be so bad

FYI The cost to trade a current player http://redskins.scout.com/3/cutsavings.html

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 10:37 pm
by Tug_72
Indeed a trade has occurred. Only not anything we were expecting necessarily. Here is the link: http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=6488

What do you guys think?

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 10:42 pm
by carolinakat
Gibbs must see somebody he realy likes that may not fall to the second, I can't wait to see how this pans out

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 11:31 pm
by frankcal20
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft05/c ... id=2041257



Pastabelly is talking about us trading Ramsey and picking up Cambell with one of the picks.

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 11:46 pm
by C'fieldSkin
There is a thread reguarding Pastabelly's article in the draft section I believe, if you want more insight on that.