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Arrington Upset About Handling of Knee Injury / Merged

Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 5:26 pm
by patjam77

Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 5:29 pm
by vife
I saw that too. i coudln't believe it.

Arrington Upset About Handling of Knee Injury

Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 5:31 pm
by Fios
I apologize if this is a repeat post, I didn't see this story posted anywhere.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/ar ... Apr11.html

Arrington Upset About Handling of Knee Injury

By Jason La Canfora
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, April 11, 2005; 5:10 PM


Pro Bowl linebacker LaVar Arrington, on crutches and recovering from another surgery on his right knee last Wednesday, expressed concern with how the Washington Redskins have handled his recovery and said he will take as much time as necessary to allow the injury to heal.

Arrington, 26, offered no timetable for his return to the field, and said he is worried about career-threatening ramifications should he come back too soon.

Arrington, who originally had meniscus removed from his knee by Dr. James Andrews on Sept. 23 and started just two games last season, said he suffered his latest setback pushing himself to recover at the team's urging.

He said he was also troubled that team officials did not reveal the extent of his injuries and made no mention of his most recent surgical procedure. (Coach Joe Gibbs said as recently as 11 days ago that Arrington was progressing smoothly.) "Right now it's like nothing is going in my favor . . . ," Arrington said. "It's like nothing in terms of the support from them, it's like nothing. It's like, just let me disappear and die. To me it kind of [stinks], it [stinks] because it's not like I have a relationship built with [the coaches] anyway, because they're new and then I get hurt and every year it's always someone new [as a head coach]. Does that mean it's right the way it's being handled? I had a teammate that didn't even know that I had surgery on my knee, and that's the first [surgery last fall], too. It's just mixed emotions, man. It makes you wonder, man, what's their agenda?"

Gibbs, who is also the team president, was not immediately made available for comment by team representatives. Arrington, who was selected with the second overall pick in 2000 and has been the star of Washington's defense, has played very little in the scheme of Gregg Williams, assistant head coach -- defense, and missed 11 straight games in one stretch last season. The Redskins (6-10 in 2004) originally stated that Arrington's initial surgery would put him out around two months, but he played sparingly in two games in December and missed the season finale.

"I'm taking as much time as I need, and if that means they're upset and want to get rid of me, then so be it," Arrington said. "But I'm not coming back before my knee is better. I tried it their way, and it got me on crutches again. Now I'm going to try it the way that Dr. Andrews and the rest of the medical staff want me to do, and that's the bottom line. People can be upset about and be uncomfortable with it, but I'm taking as much time as I need. . . . I worked my [butt] off to get back on the field and for what? Three [late-season] games? There wasn't no playoffs on the line. There wasn't no Super Bowls, and I still worked my [butt] off to play in those three games. . . . It never ceases to amaze me the things that go on here, but I'm here and I still love the Redskins. That's the bottom line."

Arrington, named to three straight Pro Bowls before getting hurt last season, said his knee was not improving, prompting him to visit Andrews in Birmingham, Ala., last Wednesday. Arrington underwent surgery the same day for removal of more meniscus and cartilage, he said.

"Nobody really takes the time to express what I went through to try to get on the field last year," Arrington said as he left Redskins Park this afternoon, "and then the repercussions of it, so my emotions are kind of mixed right now. . . . Why is it that nobody is really speaking about how hard and the sacrifices I put forth to try to get back out there? They're so quick to talk about what we do wrong, but they don't put it out there [that he had surgery]. Like I still don't think my whole injury from the first time has ever really been talked about. . . . I'm trying to get back on the field, and I jacked it up because I came back too early, and nobody talks about it. I had to go out and get another surgery to clean it out from doing that, and I'm looking on the [news] wire to see if anybody even talked about it, and nobody talked about it. It's mixed emotions."

Asked if had shared his feelings with Gibbs or the staff, Arrington said:

"I don't really care, to be honest. I just care about getting healthy and trying to be able to play. I don't really care what anybody thinks at this point. . . . Like I said, I've got mixed emotions. . . . It's like for somebody who has been a warrior for the Redskins for as long as he's been here, this is what it comes down to?"

Arrington also said that he believes the Redskins have worked to delay a grievance he filed concerning a $6.5 million bonus payment he claims should have been a part of the eight-year, $68 million deal he signed before the 2004 season. A date set for November was moved back at the Redskins' request, league sources said, and according to league and NFL Players Association officials, no new date has been set.

"You guys use your common sense," Arrington said to a small gathering of reporters. "Why do think they keep pushing it back? . . . Why do you guys think they keep pushing it back for such a non-winnable situation and an asinine thing for me to do, why do you think it keeps getting pushed back? But I could care less about anything else other than my knee right now."

Arrington said he would continue his rehabilitation daily at Redskins Park unless told to do otherwise. Middle linebacker Mike Barrow is also coming off major knee problems -- he did not play a game last season -- with reserve Lemar Marshall, Arrington's replacement, slotted to push for a starting position there. Pro Bowl player Marcus Washington starts at the strong side position, while the Redskins declined to match the free agent offer middle linebacker Antonio Pierce received from the new York Giants, leaving no other experienced linebackers on the current roster.

Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 5:31 pm
by Tug_72
I think Coach Gibbs and the staff will take this seriously and let LaVar do what he has to do. He has plenty of time before Training Camp, so he'll be good to go by then.

Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 5:34 pm
by vife
WEll doesn't this mena we have to draft another linebacker since we only have like 1 healthy one. Ugh, this offseason is ugly.

Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 5:34 pm
by Fios
I am getting really tired of Arrington whining in this fashion given the size of his contract.

Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 5:41 pm
by Chris Luva Luva
Cut him...

Coles wasn't happy and he's gone.

Arringtons not happy lets ship his underachieving, can't follow instructions butt out too.

Goodbye.

We need to get a 1st rounder and a 3rd for him.

He's not Mr. Redskin either, so don't even go there.

Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 5:47 pm
by BurgundyandGoldfaith
I agree, I'm not quite sure what he's mad about. It seems like he's mad no one wrote an article about his second knee surgery or didn't write enough articles on him working his way back. I love to see him play for the skin's but this is not the Redskin Way. He didn't even mention Gibbs, he said it like Gibb's is just "another" coach to go along with another year.

Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 5:55 pm
by Skeletor
I think this clearly a case of the reporter getting Lavar at a time he was feeling frustrated and he let loose more than he should have.

Let's not panic and cut Lavar. He said, bottom line, he loves the Redskins. I'm willing to take that at face value.
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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 5:58 pm
by jdmills23
What's up with the "I dont really care what they think" statement all about? Aren't coaches supposed to push players to try and get back from injury, especially one that was only suppose to take two months at the most to recover?

Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 6:10 pm
by Redskins4Life
joe gibbs is beginning to piss me off with the way hes handling everything

Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 6:13 pm
by washington53
Im pissed at the organization. If hes your best player on defense, you talk about him, make him feel better. Don't ignore him. If hes injuired motivate him, and dont lie to the media either. i dont know what Gibbs and the Staff are thinking and it better be what Arrington wants, because if Arrington leaves there goes our Defense. Our once amazing Linebacker Core would deteriorate. Gibbs better straighten this out before anything goes wrong.

Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 6:19 pm
by redskins12287
Skeletor wrote:I think this clearly a case of the reporter getting Lavar at a time he was feeling frustrated and he let loose more than he should have.

Let's not panic and cut Lavar. He said, bottom line, he loves the Redskins. I'm willing to take that at face value.
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I agree. He is frustrated and pissed right now, and can you blame him? We cant expect him not to be human.

Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 6:22 pm
by BurgundyandGoldfaith
Sometimes the kind of stuff this team goes through just kills me. This kind of stuff in particular. The way he puts Gibbs in context is awful. Just "another" coach for another year. I didn't miss him that much last year(or Chump for that matter (or Fred-money-doesn't-matter-unless-its-just-a-little-more-Smoot next year)). All these players with money and ego, not enough players who are grateful to play the game they love. If he just "doesn't care" about discussing this with Gibbs, Snyder should send him a Plasma TV....I suppose I shouldn't go there . I'm damn sick of players making the team their own show, makes me wish I could watch 16 games with no names on jerseys and no commentators and no commercials and no sideshows. I'd love them just the same, just the same if they went 0-16. Sometimes I just, I dunno...I guess that's how I feel alot of times

Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 6:25 pm
by Irn-Bru
Arrington is just an emotional guy---this is simply another wave in the continuous phase of outbursts that we get from him. It comes with the territory of having Arrington as a player. Sometimes they are really positive 'outbursts' (he was one of the more optimistic Skins heading into this past season if I'm recalling this correctly), and sometimes it can get pretty negative. He's someone that is quick to speak.

It looks to me like we're just in a negative phase.

* He heard and took all of the criticism last year for getting injured and not playing in very many games. If he did work his "[butt]" off like he said, I can understand why he might be frustrated when no one recognized that hard work. I don't agree with him speaking out about it (why would he need that kind of attention? Focus on football!). . .but it isn't random complaining.

* In this interview, like in many interviews on the past, he kept saying things like "I don't know" and "it's mixed emotions." The media catches him when he's still mulling stuff over, and we get the soundbites from it. Don't take this as anything more than Lavar thinking out loud (which many of us wish he'd stop doing in the Post).

* Similar situation: Remember the contract dispute? In the span of a week we heard bitter complaints from Lavar and we heard him say that he loves this town too much to let 6 million dollars get in the way of his game. He changes with the wind, and I think he usually comes around to a good attitude about things. . .but the media tracks every step and publishes it for all to see.


I think people tend to over-react to what he says (both his positive and negative statements), and that this will settle down just like everything else has in the past. Bottom line, he's a good player and hopefully we'll see him in B&G and on the field in September.

Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 6:32 pm
by Chris Luva Luva
He's just a huge baby. He's getting on my nerves. It'll be great to have him on this defense but he is expendable. He can be cut, and we can do better with or without him. How much faith do you have in your team if you think ONE player equals defeat.

We lost Chump who is worth more than Lavar and we excelled.
Let his cry baby tail go.

Plain and simple he's jealous. He feels left out. We exist outside of him. Every year before he was the focal point. He's no longer Mr. Redskin and IMO never really was. The real Mr. Redskin is back.

Trade him for picks.

Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 6:32 pm
by BurgundyandGoldfaith
Pampering him like the best player on the Defense is the wrong way to go about this. The rest of the team then becomes a supporting cast, and no one wins. Let me remind you, Arrington DID leave for 04 and there went our Defense, right? Oh, wait...our defense was the best it has been since he has been here.

washington53 wrote:
""Im pissed at the organization. If hes your best player on defense, you talk about him, make him feel better. Don't ignore him. If hes injuired motivate him, and dont lie to the media either. i dont know what Gibbs and the Staff are thinking and it better be what Arrington wants, because if Arrington leaves there goes our Defense. Our once amazing Linebacker Core would deteriorate. Gibbs better straighten this out before anything goes wrong.""

Oh, Redskin4life- if you don't like how Joe Gibbs has handled things then you HAVEN'T BEEN A REDSKIN FOR LIFE! GO TO PHILLY OR DALLAS. Would you rather have Lavar or a championship? Joe is our best chance for a title so love it or leave it, apparently no one notified you he's taken us there before and won. One Redskin hissy fit is enough for me today.

Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 6:34 pm
by hatsOFF2gibbs
Calm down duded. LaVar is a great player. He's just frustrated and so are we. We should work through this and at the end be happy together.

Cut LaVar?? That's crazy talk.

Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 6:36 pm
by washington53
BurgundyandGoldfaith wrote:Pampering him like the best player on the Defense is the wrong way to go about this. The rest of the team then becomes a supporting cast, and no one wins. Let me remind you, Arrington DID leave for 04 and there went our Defense, right? Oh, wait...our defense was the best it has been since he has been here.

washington53 wrote:
""Im pissed at the organization. If hes your best player on defense, you talk about him, make him feel better. Don't ignore him. If hes injuired motivate him, and dont lie to the media either. i dont know what Gibbs and the Staff are thinking and it better be what Arrington wants, because if Arrington leaves there goes our Defense. Our once amazing Linebacker Core would deteriorate. Gibbs better straighten this out before anything goes wrong.""

Oh, Redskin4life- if you don't like how Joe Gibbs has handled things then you HAVEN'T BEEN A REDSKIN FOR LIFE! GO TO PHILLY OR DALLAS. Would you rather have Lavar or a championship? Joe is our best chance for a title so love it or leave it, apparently no one notified you he's taken us there before and won. One Redskin hissy fit is enough for me today.


Hey buddy calm down and don't get offensive... i didnt say anything about Gibbs handling stuff. HE HASN"T That why i said he better handle it well. I did not say i hate him or anything, i dont know how u interpretted that from what i said "I don't know what Gibbs and the Staff are thinking".

you happy now
SO CALM DOWN

Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 6:37 pm
by BurgundyandGoldfaith
It's probably just a bad time to get caught by reporters but you won't EVER hear Jansen complain that no one wrote any @!#$% articles on his recovery. There's your true MR. REDSKIN

Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 6:37 pm
by Irn-Bru
Chris Luva Luva wrote:He's just a huge baby. He's getting on my nerves. It'll be great to have him on this defense but he is expendable. He can be cut, and we can do better with or without him. How much faith do you have in your team if you think ONE player equals defeat.




He's expendable, but do you cut him because of this quote in the paper? My point was that this kind of thing happens all the time with Lavar. . .a reporter sticks a mic in his face and we get whatever he's thinking at the moment. Next week it might be an entirely different story from him (especially if he has a chat with Gibbs between now and then).

And I agree that a single player does not make the defense. We did fine without Arrington this past year. I just would love to see him back on the field for B&G, that's all.

Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 6:38 pm
by skinsfan1
redskins reply........

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=6368

Hopefully this will make him feel better.

Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 6:39 pm
by fredp45
Arrigton needs to get a life...he's paid more than 99.9999% of Americans and the Skins don't baby him enough, they don't talk to the press about his bad knee enough, they push him too hard, they don't want to talk about the 6.5 mil bonus that his agent missed...sorry pal...give me a freaking break.

These guys are such prima donnas it amazes me...really.

If trading him wouldn't kill our cap, I'd be all for trading him. This team will never win with him, or Taylor, or Portis, or any other guy that is only looking out for themselves. Do any of you ever see the Pats players spouting off like this? NO...

Ok, ok, this caught me just after rowing for 40 mins hard...It pisses me off royally! The guy makes millions playing a game. Grow freaking up!!!

Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 6:39 pm
by BurgundyandGoldfaith
I wasn't referring to you when I talked about Gibb's handling things, read my post. It's hard to be calm when this kind of crap happens to your beloved team so don't say

you happy now

Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 6:40 pm
by Irn-Bru
BurgundyandGoldfaith wrote:It's probably just a bad time to get caught by reporters but you won't EVER hear Jansen complain that no one wrote any @!#$% articles on his recovery. There's your true MR. REDSKIN



Well, to be fair to Arrington. . .Jansen did get an article or two on how hard he worked to get through his injury.


Again, I'm not condoning Lavar's outburst. . .but he definitely wasn't getting any accolades for recovery efforts. Come to think of it, it's probably because he was originally slated for 2-4 weeks of missed playing time, and then it was expanded as each week went on. At that point, Washington fans were probably thinking "Oh great, he's going to add another week to his recovery schedule?" (I know that I was). The moment Arrington came back, he wasn't greeted with "wow--that was a quick recovery!"; but instead more with "Finally! What?! You're only going to play on 3rd downs?!?!"