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JIM IS VENTING. From Jim Carlson of Saugus, Mass.: "Bill Parcells is a quitter. He has quit on his players over and over again. He quit on the Pats during Super Bowl week (his most heinous crime) and spent more time talking to Jets management than game-planning that week. The Pats had a great chance to beat a terrific Green Bay team but Parcells had better things to do. Then he quit on the Jets and the players he brought in and I guarantee he'll quit after this season on the Cowboys. The real question is who will be the Cowboys next coach?''

Nice letter, Mr. Kraft. Re: your question: I'd guess that the next Cowboys coach might be Dallas offensive aide Sean Payton, Arkansas coach Houston Nutt, Dallas defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer (if he gets the D right this year) ... or the next flavor-of-the-month coordinator in the NFL.



I cant wait for Parcells to quit- its only a matter of time, hopefully we can shut them out this year to send him on his way.

Awww is he still got PMS from the fact it was Kraft who ran
Parcells out of town? since it was Kraft who couldn't keep
his nose out of Parcells business and let him draft who he
wanted. instead of trying to be the bully and forcing the
Tuna to take who he wanted

I am glad he he ditched them maybe Kraft will learn give
the control to the coaches keep your nose out of it and
everything will be just fine

No he will learn that he has made the best move possible and has a much better coach now- 3 superbowls later...

Some move it took getting Belichick who was a Parcells assistant for many years before he actually got 3 S.B.
titles, of course he took a huge risk in getting Bill
Belichick since he did nothing with the Browns when he
was the head coach there

but lets not stop at that mute point if I am not mistaking
Parcells had alot of his old players who he drafted and
took. that were playing on the current S.B. team now that
Belichick has lost many of his players

Lets see what Belichick does with out his assistants and
top class players and is forced to build up that team with
his own players

I look at it a bit simpler- Bill P didnt do it for them ...Bill B did it 3 times..I know your glasses are not so Jaded that you believe 3 SB's are because of Parcells- HAHAHAHA

TexasCowboy wrote:Some move it took getting Belichick who was a Parcells assistant for many years before he actually got 3 S.B.
titles, of course he took a huge risk in getting Bill
Belichick since he did nothing with the Browns when he
was the head coach there

but lets not stop at that mute point if I am not mistaking
Parcells had alot of his old players who he drafted and
took. that were playing on the current S.B. team now that
Belichick has lost many of his players

Lets see what Belichick does with out his assistants and
top class players and is forced to build up that team with
his own players

Shhhhhh... this is a mute point.
We all have to be silent.

Oh but I do believe it had alot to do with Bill Parcells and his players, players like
Law, Troy Brown who was on the roster Vinatieri the same kicker who won
it on 2 fields goals

Teddy Bruschi another BP player if you ask me
that makes for a damm good roster especially
when you have your old coaches players still
playing

How many Super Bowls did Parcells win without Belichick?

He's never stuck around to win 1 with out Belichick he's either left because the Owner is a moron or his health
was bad abd was forced to leave

so the real question is how many has he won with out Parcells players in place? the answer is none and how
many with them in place answer 3

Thats right-Belichick had a lot more to do with Parcells Superbowl then vice versa...Parcells knows it- and now so does everyone else...Im not even sure if Parcells should see Canton.

Troy Brown - couldn't crack the lineup as a wide receiver, so he played nickelback... big sacrifice by Brown, but it proves more about BB than it does about Brown. Hardly a vital cog in NE winning the Super Bowl despite the fact that it makes for great press. Oh and by the way... Troy Brown was drafted in 1993... so he was there when Parcells got there... how does he qualify if ANY of BB's guys are considered BP's?

QB Tom Brady - post BP
WR Deion Branch - post BP
WR David Patten - post BP
TE Daniel Graham - post BP
OL Brandon Gorin / Joe Andruzzi / Dan Koppen / Stephen Neal / Matt Light - post BP
RB Corey Dillon - post BP
FB Patrick Pass - post BP

Not a SINGLE starting offensive player from Parcells tenure... not one.

What was your point again? how many Parcells guys were an integral part of the Super Bowl win?

Bill Parcells is a quitter. He has quit on his players over and over again. He quit on the Pats during Super Bowl week (his most heinous crime) and spent more time talking to Jets management than game-planning that week.

Parcells quit on the Patriots?!?!?!?! Can someone refresh my memory on this please.

Boss Hog hit the nail on the head- where did TexasCowboy go now? HAHA-

I am right here as for his points of post
Parcells era sure Belichick has alot of
guys he took

how ever Vinatieri Law and Bruschi were all
BP players were they not? he still has those
players on the roster. I want to see what he
does now that he is losing all his players
and assistants

lets see if the so called great Belichick can
pull another title out of *** or has his bag
of tricks been used up?

Don't you guys have anything better to do than bring up the past?

Prime all they can do is cry about the past it still hurts
them even today. to think of how the past has hurt them in
worst ways mentionable

We arent the ones posting all over a Dallas site-

Wait and that has what to do with the conversation at hand? since it was you
who posted something about Dallas on a
Redskins site

if you think we are not gonna respond when it
says something about the Cowboys think again.

you want to continue to post **** about us so
get use to the fact that we are gonna respond

TexasCowboy wrote:I am right here as for his points of post
Parcells era sure Belichick has alot of
guys he took

how ever Vinatieri Law and Bruschi were all
BP players were they not? he still has those
players on the roster. I want to see what he
does now that he is losing all his players
and assistants

lets see if the so called great Belichick can
pull another title out of...

This is your rebuttal?

You name the three guys again and throw a personal opinion on BB and call it a day? Weak. And please check the rules on trying to substitute asterisks in profanity.

BB has nothing to prove to anybody... he did it with Parcells players' (when Parcells couldn't), and has done it since then with basically whoever he has put in there. To just cavalierly dismiss that is quite frankly, garbage.

I'll ask you again... your contention is that Belichik did it with 'parcells players' and then you name 3 this time... Law, Bruschi and Vinateri... and i will remind you again that Ty law didn't play after Halloween and not only had nothing to do with the Pats Super Bowl win but little to do with the Pats season either.

So that leaves Vinateri and Bruschi.

Bruschi... good player... in a system defense. Definitely was a fireplug in the defense and was a big part of why they played well. But one player does not make a defense... especially in a system defense. He wasn't even the BEST player on the NE defense as I think the nod would go to Rodney Harrison from most. But I thought Bruschi summed up how he himself feels:

"I think one of the key things with me is I have no extreme loyalties to anyone," Bruschi says. "I never had any extreme loyalty to Parcells, Pete Carroll — and I wouldn't say I'm pouring myself into this for Bill Belichick." Not that he isn't behind Belichick all the way. Bruschi, in fact, believes Belichick's two predecessors might not have been able to successfully guide the team through one setback after another the way Belichick has this season.

- http://www.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/supe ... ruschi.htm

Vinateri is a great kicker -- no doubt about it. But let's remember that you are contending that the Patriots have not won a single Super Bowl without the influence of 'Parcells players'... so citing SB38 highlights won't cut it. What did Vinateri have to do with this SB win? sure he kicked a lot of points this season... the offense put him in the position to do so... but he didn't have to in the Super Bowl and he didn't have a single game ending FG this year... so he was a good kicker, but if you're going to hang 'the success of Parcells players' on the solid year of a kicker, then until there isn't a single player left from Parcells time in NE, you're always going to hang it on one of them.

So you can sit around and wait for BB to prove mimself to you, but to most of us, he already has. Hate on him if you want but don't try to pass it off as impartial argument.

TexasCowboy wrote: you want to continue to post **** about us so
get use to the fact that we are gonna respond

Actually, if you want to continue to post anything at all, you better check the rules.

1. You warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-orientated, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative any laws. Also, this is a PG board with board members of all ages. Profanity is not permitted outside of the Smack forum.

Profanity with 'characters' in place of letters still qualifies as profanity.

Allow me to reply on TexasCowboy's behalf...

Uh-uh..... I know you are but what am I?

BossHog wrote:

TexasCowboy wrote:I am right here as for his points of post
Parcells era sure Belichick has alot of
guys he took

how ever Vinatieri Law and Bruschi were all
BP players were they not? he still has those
players on the roster. I want to see what he
does now that he is losing all his players
and assistants

lets see if the so called great Belichick can
pull another title out of...

This is your rebuttal?

You name the three guys again and throw a personal opinion on BB and call it a day? Weak. And please check the rules on trying to substitute asterisks in profanity.

BB has nothing to prove to anybody... he did it with Parcells players' (when Parcells couldn't), and has done it since then with basically whoever he has put in there. To just cavalierly dismiss that is quite frankly, garbage.

I'll ask you again... your contention is that Belichik did it with 'parcells players' and then you name 3 this time... Law, Bruschi and Vinateri... and i will remind you again that Ty law didn't play after Halloween and not only had nothing to do with the Pats Super Bowl win but little to do with the Pats season either.

So that leaves Vinateri and Bruschi.

Bruschi... good player... in a system defense. Definitely was a fireplug in the defense and was a big part of why they played well. But one player does not make a defense... especially in a system defense. He wasn't even the BEST player on the NE defense as I think the nod would go to Rodney Harrison from most. But I thought Bruschi summed up how he himself feels:

"I think one of the key things with me is I have no extreme loyalties to anyone," Bruschi says. "I never had any extreme loyalty to Parcells, Pete Carroll — and I wouldn't say I'm pouring myself into this for Bill Belichick." Not that he isn't behind Belichick all the way. Bruschi, in fact, believes Belichick's two predecessors might not have been able to successfully guide the team through one setback after another the way Belichick has this season.

- http://www.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/supe ... ruschi.htm

Vinateri is a great kicker -- no doubt about it. But let's remember that you are contending that the Patriots have not won a single Super Bowl without the influence of 'Parcells players'... so citing SB38 highlights won't cut it. What did Vinateri have to do with this SB win? sure he kicked a lot of points this season... the offense put him in the position to do so... but he didn't have to in the Super Bowl and he didn't have a single game ending FG this year... so he was a good kicker, but if you're going to hang 'the success of Parcells players' on the solid year of a kicker, then until there isn't a single player left from Parcells time in NE, you're always going to hang it on one of them.

So you can sit around and wait for BB to prove mimself to you, but to most of us, he already has. Hate on him if you want but don't try to pass it off as impartial argument.

You can hang it on who ever you wish but as far as I am concerned their were Parcells players on that team, Law
and his injury was not forseen but he did help start the
way

like I said lets see what he does when he runs out of Parcells players to bail him out, then we will see how
good Mr. Belichick is

Let's see what Parcells does without Belichick...

Oh wait, we already have seen that: NOTHING!

So let me get this straight... the Bill Parcells players, Bruschi and Vinateri we have that down to, bailed Bill Belichik out in 2005 and allowed the Patriots to win despite the other 21 players?



And just out of curiosity... At what point do these guys become non Bill Parcells players? Or is that just anyone that Bill Parcells coaches?

Because you are also contending that Bruschi is 'a Parcells guy' when Parcells only coached him for ONE year... a year that Bruschi actually played under Bill Belichik... and you're gonna say that BP drafted him, but BB was actually the guy who wanted to draft Bruschi in the first place:

Belichick (then assistant to Bill Parcells with the Pats) liked what he saw and took a chance. The Patriots selected Bruschi in the third round of the 1996 draft. He made the team as a special teams stud, seeing only spot duty until he became a starter in 1999 under Pete Carroll.

http://patriots.scout.com/2/353347.html

And BB has been coaching him for the last FIVE years.

But I guess you 'saying so' is a far better argument than I have made.

Can I just say that I love when BossHog gets in the mood to disprove someone's absurd assertions. It really makes for interesting reading, even in the offseason when ESPN is showing nothing but figure skating.