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that's all I got to say.

Um... Why...?

Why Heath Miller?

A TE should be our #1 goal eh? Why on earth would we make a TE, who is only a blocker in Gibbs system, our #1 priority? Robert Royal is a pretty good blocker, who has room to improve. What makes you think taking a TE as our first pick(assuming that's what you meant) would make us a better team than drafting say, a stud DE, CB, MLB or WR. I don't know who this guy is, but he's a TE. That's all I need to know....

This is my take. First of all, I do not believe that we will either get Adam Pac-man Jones or Mike Williams so our best bet will be to either find a willing suitor to trade down with and pick up Heath Miller which will provide us with a big play receiver 6'5 255lbs that we need.We already got the speedy guys Moss,Patten etc, now we need the big possession guy that will provide another option for Ramsey. Miller might not be at Todd Heap,Gonzalez level but he is just right below them speed wise and that's it.He has good hands, every tight end could always improve his blocking.
Also, all the CB's in this draft are almost identical and are ok but not for a top ten draft pick maybe except for Jones who could turn out to be another Ahmad Carroll for GreenBay;getting manhandled by bigger receivers.Look I could go on and on but as per a player i think would fit our offensive system nicely and team up nicely as well with ey, the guy we want is Heath Miller. Also anyone who has seen him play should know his has the softest hands I've seen for a tight end and HE IS THAT GOOD for us. Might be a stretch for a top ten pick but if there are no trade down offers, I say we pick him over Antre Rolle.

HEATH MILLER PICK#9 WASHINGTON REDSKINS If worse comes to worse

I agree with most of that and have already personally picked Miller in one Mock because Williams and Edwards were already gone.

He's a stud. Not our biggest need obviously, but he could very well be the BEST available talent when we pick at #9.

Thanks Boss Hogg. Look guys I sincerely wouldn't want to take Miller that high as a top ten pick, but the fact is I don't believe most of these CB's are worth top 10 picks. Geeze we could probably find the same talent in later rounds. I truly believe we can find quality CB talent to start for us in the later rounds.

If we could only find someone to trade with and still be in position to draft HEATH MILLER and get an extra pick in the second round

darkwing99 wrote:This is my take. First of all, I do not believe that we will either get Adam Pac-man Jones or Mike Williams so our best bet will be to either find a willing suitor to trade down with and pick up Heath Miller which will provide us with a big play receiver 6'5 255lbs that we need.We already got the speedy guys Moss,Patten etc, now we need the big possession guy that will provide another option for Ramsey. Miller might not be at Todd Heap,Gonzalez level but he is just right below them speed wise and that's it.He has good hands, every tight end could always improve his blocking.
Also, all the CB's in this draft are almost identical and are ok but not for a top ten draft pick maybe except for Jones who could turn out to be another Ahmad Carroll for GreenBay;getting manhandled by bigger receivers.Look I could go on and on but as per a player i think would fit our offensive system nicely and team up nicely as well with ey, the guy we want is Heath Miller. Also anyone who has seen him play should know his has the softest hands I've seen for a tight end and HE IS THAT GOOD for us. Might be a stretch for a top ten pick but if there are no trade down offers, I say we pick him over Antre Rolle.

HEATH MILLER PICK#9 WASHINGTON REDSKINS If worse comes to worse

No more Heath's in the first round... the last time we drafted a Heath (Shuler) ultimate bust....

all jokes aside... no way you take a TE with the 9th overall pick.... antonio gates wasn't a first round pick... we have cooley... if you are going to go out on a limb and take a position that we really don't need... draft that kid from FSU... the lineman... football is won in the trenches... you can never have enough young good lineman...

chicosbailbond wrote: all jokes aside... no way you take a TE with the 9th overall pick.... antonio gates wasn't a first round pick... we have cooley... if you are going to go out on a limb and take a position that we really don't need... draft that kid from FSU... the lineman... football is won in the trenches... you can never have enough young good lineman...

Why WOULD gates be drafted in the first round... he wasn't even playing FOOTBALL. he took Kent State almost to the final four his last year in college b-ball though. he hadn't played football for FIVE years when the Chargers called him up.

... and you can rest assured that if he played tight end in college like he plays it now, he would have undoubtedly been a first round pick.

No offense, but have you seen Miller play? The guy's a stud. he stood out EVERY time I watched him this year... and he could be considered local talent. He might be better than Gates... we'll see how gates does this year when he gets doubled and teams gameplan a little more for him. Number 9 may definitely be a reach, but if Williams, Edwards, Rolle (and maybe even include pac man) are off the board... there won't be a guy left who is more talented and can fill a position of need for us as well.

Chris ey is playinmg h-back... not tight end... Joe Gibbs' offense requires BOTH. We don't have a good receiving TE. As long as Robert Royal is our best option, we can certainly upgrade.

I would not agree with this choice if it is at #9. But I would imagine that he could be the best player available (bpa) later.

I will agree that he is going to be a very good NFL player I just do not see these guys doing that. I think they will take the bpa but I don't think that Heath is that guy at 9.

We only have a couple of "needs" and then we're looking at depth. I just cannot see that player at 9.

Well you don't offer any suggestions as to who that might be...

I'm not saying that Heath miller is the best possible pick for the Redskins in the 2005 draft, what I am saying is that I can certainly see many scenarios playing out whereby he is the best available offensive player to us.

Williams and Edwards are no brainers if they are there, but i just don't see them being there at #9. I have done 5 mock drafts for various people in various places now and in EVERY instance, both were gone at #9.

our draft team does not feel that there is a single defensive player worthy of a top 10 pick outside of Rolle. oh sure... johnson is soaring up some 'other' boards, but our draft team doesn't feel (or understand) how a guy can move exponentially when the football season is done. His recent movement WILL likely propel him into the top 10, but that doesn't mean that we think he's worthy of the pick either. Some think he may go as high as the Browns at #3. We disagree.

We also don't see much possibility of a trade because truthfully, we can't see any teams that WOULDN'T want to trade down. Draft has lots of talent.... little superstar talent. unfortunately, when everyone wants to move, usually nobody gets to.

So we come to the point where we don't think there's a defensive player left who can justify the pick, we don't think there is a receiver left that suits our WR needs, we don't need a running back, and we won't take a quarterback. We think the only two o-lineman worthy of a first round pick are Jammal Brown and Alex Barron (maybe Khalif barnes) and we don't really need a tackle with Samuels, Jansen, and 2nd year guys Wilson and Molinaro. Baas is also going to be a great player for someone but he's still more 2nd round draft day material in our opinion.

If you add ALL of that up... we just think that under many different scenarios, Miller will be the best guy available to help this team immediately.

The premise that there is little opportunity for a possession receiver in this offense is silly. With the number of alignments etc in Gibbs' offense, it is certainly not difficult to have a big soft handed tight end be the possession guy as opposed to a wide receiver. Miller is the kind of guy that you FIND ways to get the ball to. he's a playmaker.

And we think he might be the best playmaker available when we pick at #9 depending on what has already transpired.

Thanks again BossHogg for being realistic. If the redskins do take Antre Rolle,I won't be upset but I won't be happy either because I believe we can get the same talent as Rolle in the later rounds. Even though Miller might be a stretch he should and probably is the fall guy for us if Mike Williams and Pac-Man Jones are gone in our draft strategy. Heath Miller is a pretty solid blocker who can catch. Rolle is a decent cornerback who I believe gets bye with name recognition a'la Philip Buchanon and Mike Rumph (see how they're doing). Besides I truly do believe that Antre Rolle might turn out playing safety in the NFL .Just my

Im a UVA alumni, Heath Miller is a beast, but even I would not take him at #9. But I will say, keep an eye on DE Chris Canty in the third or fourth round. He will be a steal, especially if we have two picks in the 3rd after the Gardner trade. He's 6'7 290, and was the top DE before an injury sidelined him early in the 2004 season.

the two best corners, (after Rolle and Jones) IMO in the draft are Marlin Jackson, Michigan, and Justin Miller, Clemson, but Jackson has had character issues, and we definitely would not take him.

I like Antrel Rolle too, but there is something about those 2nd round corners that seems to work out long term. Keep an equal on those guys too...the difference between them and the top two may be less than we think

I see Heath Miller as a good, but not for us. While I believe Mike W and Braylon will both be gone by #9, that will make Heath Miller the best offensive player at #9, he might even be the best player at #9, but not for us.

With Chris ey and Robert Royal already on our roster, I would rather add depth at CB with Rolle or improve the D Line with Erasmus James.

Sure Heath Miller will be star in this league especially in the new age of TE, but we have other needs, even if that means improving the #3 Defense.

Question for those with more knowledge than a football newbie like myself...

Isn't Gibbs' offensive scheme built around max-protect and blocking TE's with the primary passing threat (non wide receiver) coming from the H-back? If ey is our passing threat from the backfield/line, why would we want our other TE running a route? Isn't that just the opposite of "max-protect"?

It just seems foolish to use a high pick for a position that should, in essence, be our 6th lineman.

Hooligan, the Gibbs system is a little bit of all things. Yes, there is a need for a blocking TE - but he better be able to catch the ball too. The H-back/full-back is a lead blocker/short pass outlet - TD scorer.

My two words for not taking Miller - Robert Royal. He's just now finding his way and will be a solid player for us. Better than Miller - I think he is and will be.

I agree Miller is by far the best TE in the draft. He'll be a difference maker. But I don't think he's a top 10 pick. Mid to late first round - imho.

Scooter wrote:Hooligan, the Gibbs system is a little bit of all things. Yes, there is a need for a blocking TE - but he better be able to catch the ball too. The H-back/full-back is a lead blocker/short pass outlet - TD scorer.

My two words for not taking Miller - Robert Royal. He's just now finding his way and will be a solid player for us. Better than Miller - I think he is and will be.

I agree Miller is by far the best TE in the draft. He'll be a difference maker. But I don't think he's a top 10 pick. Mid to late first round - imho.

Heath Miller is beast. He is a better reciever and a better blocker than Royal. I would take Miller over any T.E. that we have including Colley who i know is a H-Back.

Miller could make so many holes for portis it's not funny. Oh and yes i'm a UVA fan. It's a win win situation.

H-back is cooley... TE will be Heath Miller... that seems like a waste...

Didier was the receving TE and Don Warren was the Blocking TE....


ey is our receiving TE... (we traded up to get) so we are going to waste the 9th pick on another recieving te...????

it just doesn't make sense.... I am not saying Miller isn't a stud... but he is a waste on our team....

darkwing99 wrote:Thanks again BossHogg for being realistic. If the redskins do take Antre Rolle,I won't be upset but I won't be happy either because I believe we can get the same talent as Rolle in the later rounds. Even though Miller might be a stretch he should and probably is the fall guy for us if Mike Williams and Pac-Man Jones are gone in our draft strategy. Heath Miller is a pretty solid blocker who can catch. Rolle is a decent cornerback who I believe gets bye with name recognition a'la Philip Buchanon and Mike Rumph (see how they're doing). Besides I truly do believe that Antre Rolle might turn out playing safety in the NFL .Just my

Antre Rolle is the only player I'd pick at #9
M. Williams, B. Edwards, and Pac Man Jones will all be gone by number nine

Edwards would've been the only one I'd consider.

If Rolle isn't there I'd trade down (if out of the top 20) and pick up CB Carlos Rodgers,if Miller falls that low I think he would be a good selection.

Trading down could help us out a lot but if we move out of the top 15 Miller will be gone

chicosbailbond wrote:H-back is cooley... TE will be Heath Miller... that seems like a waste...

Far from a waste man. If we had then we could be like the Eagles and send everyone out for a cacth. I don't trust Royal or anyother of our T.E.

He can block, cacth, run, he can do it all.

Ideally for me, somebody else wants Miller bad enough to move up to #9 - and gives us good value for the pick.

I dont know why this is even a discussion. Gibbs clearly does NOT use the traditional TE position enough to warrant a #9 pick. Why would we draft Miller when we passed on a potential franchise TE in Winslow last year? No doubt Miller will be a star in the league, but he doesnt fit our scheme. There is no way we take Miller.

I like Miller but if the top WR and CB are gone I would rather take a chance on Shawn Merriman with #9 pick. He might be the best pass rusher in the draft and he is also a local player, U of MD. He is up to 270lbs and is still very fast.

well, anything is up for discussion around here - gotta fill the "No Football Blues Blackhole" ... :0). Miller's a fine kid, a pro prospect, but I don't want him in lieu of our other needs right now.