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How would you compare the skills of Williams and DMAC. I have not really seen Williams play but from what I read he is described as a tall physical receiver that is a ball hawk and a terror in the end zone.

This seems to be the same as McCants. What does Williams bring to the table that DMac doesn't???

A recognizable name and less experince

Wow thats a no brainer Mike Williams is a top reciver in the draft and dmac had 10 catches last year

truskinsfan18 wrote:Wow thats a no brainer Mike Williams is a top reciver in the draft and dmac had 10 catches last year

D-Mac is already in the league and has been productive.
McCants may have only had 10 catches last year but they were on the pro level.

How many catches did the so called top receiver in the draft have last year on any level.

FYI
B. Edwards is the best WR in the draft and M.Clayton or T Williamson would be a better fit on a lot of teams

I like McCants a lot but if Mike Williams becomes what he's hyped to be then he'll be on another level. McCants has room for improvement but he doesn't possess the physical attributes that Mike has.

Mike is taller, heavier and may be faster. I believe he ran a 4.45 40 yard dash. He seems to be able to catch the ball just as well. I'll give McCants the edge on that because he's a monster in the endzone.

Mike seems to have more big play capability imo. McCants hasn't been given ample time to display his talents but Mike may be in the mold of a R. Moss and I don't think McCants was poured from that mold.

Mike Williams is taller, stronger, faster, more agile, higher vertical leap, an even bigger threat than DMac in the red zone, and better hands. Basically Mike Williams is going to be a bona fide superstar within 2 seasons IMO. Mark my words lol

Great Natale wrote:....What does Williams bring to the table that DMac doesn't???

D. Mac is a NFL wide receiver with the Washinton Redskins Mike Williams has not played in the NFL.

Mike Williams is the real deal and D. McCants is a wannabe. There will be no comparison to the two once Williams hits the NFL. D. McCants will never be a #1 receiver in this league and Mike Williams has unlimited potential to be just that.

crzyvgs wrote:Mike Williams is the real deal and D. McCants is a wannabe. There will be no comparison to the two once Williams hits the NFL. D. McCants will never be a #1 receiver in this league and Mike Williams has unlimited potential to be just that.

D McCants signed a new contract last year while M Williams was being told he would have to wait a year to get into the draft.

who's the wannabe

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Mike is taller, heavier and may be faster. I believe he ran a 4.45 40 yard dash. He seems to be able to catch the ball just as well. I'll give McCants the edge on that because he's a monster in the endzone

Last I heard Mike ran a 4.8 or something like that......Did he run the 40 again?

And I'll take Dmac over Mike Williams anyday. I want some continuity and team chemistry. Thats what McCants brings that Mike doesn't.

Redskins Rule wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Mike is taller, heavier and may be faster. I believe he ran a 4.45 40 yard dash. He seems to be able to catch the ball just as well. I'll give McCants the edge on that because he's a monster in the endzone

Last I heard Mike ran a 4.8 or something like that......Did he run the 40 again?

And I'll take Dmac over Mike Williams anyday. I want some continuity and team chemistry. Thats what McCants brings that Mike doesn't.

No, no, Im pretty sure he ran a 4.45.

Continuity? Coles is gone, Gardener will be gone, and we acquired Patten, and MOss.... If we're going to get Williams now is the time because continuity is not this years theme for the offense.

If I had to pick between the two based off of Athletic ability, I'd pick M. Williams of course. Thats easy, Im sorry but Mike has the POTENTIAL to be better.

Danerian deserves his chance, but with all these new receivers he's going to have to step his game up.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Redskins Rule wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Mike is taller, heavier and may be faster. I believe he ran a 4.45 40 yard dash. He seems to be able to catch the ball just as well. I'll give McCants the edge on that because he's a monster in the endzone

Last I heard Mike ran a 4.8 or something like that......Did he run the 40 again?

And I'll take Dmac over Mike Williams anyday. I want some continuity and team chemistry. Thats what McCants brings that Mike doesn't.

No, no, Im pretty sure he ran a 4.45.

Continuity? Coles is gone, Gardener will be gone, and we acquired Patten, and MOss.... If we're going to get Williams now is the time because continuity is not this years theme for the offense.

If I had to pick between the two based off of Athletic ability, I'd pick M. Williams of course. Thats easy, Im sorry but Mike has the POTENTIAL to be better.

Danerian deserves his chance, but with all these new receivers he's going to have to step his game up.

He's Pro Day was yesterday....

On Thursday, he ran times of 4.58 and 4.59 seconds in the 40-yard dash, nearly a tenth of a second faster than the times he registered when he ran for scouts last fall.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-wil ... nes-sports

First of all Williams ran in the 4.5 - 4.6 range. Second of all why would anyone choose D. McCants over Mike Williams. Thats just plain silly. Besides all the speculation, which is interesting, i dont even think wr is a top priority anymore. Ide be surprised, albeit happy, if M. Williams is on our 2006 roster.

he ran a 4.5 and a 4.6 at the combine when he wasn't even planning on running... then at the pro day he did the same times on a much slower track.

He certainly did NOT run a 4.8

The man is a beast, Im sorry. I'm glad I was close to being correct on his 40 time.

If we don't get Mike Williams I'll be dissapointed.

However I won't be dissapointed with having McCants get his shot this year. If he doesn't then I hope he gets it with another team.

1niksder wrote:How many catches did the so called top receiver in the draft have last year on any level.

Rookie Season 2004:
err, Mike Clayton -TB: 80 catches, 1193 yards, 7 TD's

Then...Roy Williams -DET: 54 catches, 817 yds, 8 TD's

Then....Lee Evans -BUF: 48 catches, 843 yds, 9 TD's

NOW....Darnerien McCants CAREER 2001-2004 (3 seasons!):
53 catches, 687 yards, 8 TD's


I can't believe I am even replying to this but I had to.
What is this infatuation with McCants?????
Yes, he had some nice catches in 2003 under Steve Spurrier's pass happy offense that had no running game and the team was always behind on the scoreboard.

2 words: Derrius Thompson

JEEZ PEOPLE...get over McCants.
YES...he is a good guy
YES...he has talent
YES...we are ALL pulling for him
YES...he is good with the fans
YES...he is good at art and so-so at singing
NO....he is NOT comparable to a blue chip prospect

MOVE ON, look at the big picture. It is possible to be a fan of McCants and still be realistic. What are the Redskins needs? Well, we now have Patrick Ramsey at QB and he has a CANNON of an arm and Moss, Patten, and Jacobs can get down field to catch the bombs...and Thrash will throw his body across the middle for a short gain, then get up and try to block a punt.

That is it. Plain and simple. If the Skins grab Mike Williams or another top prospect then GREAT....great for the future.

But this D-MAC comparrison crap is nonsense.

Is D-Mac better than Williams??????

crzyvgs wrote:First of all Williams ran in the 4.5 - 4.6 range. Second of all why would anyone choose D. McCants over Mike Williams. Thats just plain silly. Besides all the speculation, which is interesting, i dont even think wr is a top priority anymore. Ide be surprised, albeit happy, if M. Williams is on our 2006 roster.

Actually the choice would be McCants and Mike Williams or Mccants and pass on Mike Williams .

DMac will cost us a little over $1M this year $1.3M if we let himgo before the draft. What would Williams cost.

I still go back to Williams being out of organized football for a whole year, plus the moves that have been made in the offseason so far. I just don't see a need for a WR when we could use a guard which means would should trade down, Or we could pick up another postion of need at #9 like CB-DE

1niksder wrote:

crzyvgs wrote:First of all Williams ran in the 4.5 - 4.6 range. Second of all why would anyone choose D. McCants over Mike Williams. Thats just plain silly. Besides all the speculation, which is interesting, i dont even think wr is a top priority anymore. Ide be surprised, albeit happy, if M. Williams is on our 2006 roster.

Actually the choice would be McCants and Mike Williams or Mccants and pass on Mike Williams .

DMac will cost us a little over $1M this year $1.3M if we let himgo before the draft. What would Williams cost.

I still go back to Williams being out of organized football for a whole year, plus the moves that have been made in the offseason so far. I just don't see a need for a WR when we could use a guard which means would should trade down, Or we could pick up another postion of need at #9 like CB-DE

Anybody we pickup in the 1st round is going to be expensive for us, so why not get the best of whats their?

I do agree that another option would be to trade down, and prolly a good one. I don't think I could pass up on Mike Williams though. He seems to be one of those guys that you just have to take. Im sorry.

1niksder wrote:

crzyvgs wrote:First of all Williams ran in the 4.5 - 4.6 range. Second of all why would anyone choose D. McCants over Mike Williams. Thats just plain silly. Besides all the speculation, which is interesting, i dont even think wr is a top priority anymore. Ide be surprised, albeit happy, if M. Williams is on our 2006 roster.

Actually the choice would be McCants and Mike Williams or Mccants and pass on Mike Williams .

DMac will cost us a little over $1M this year $1.3M if we let himgo before the draft. What would Williams cost.

I still go back to Williams being out of organized football for a whole year, plus the moves that have been made in the offseason so far. I just don't see a need for a WR when we could use a guard which means would should trade down, Or we could pick up another postion of need at #9 like CB-DE

I am not high on Williams...but again...D-Mac or Mike Williams???? Are you kidding me? See above.

The WR in the draft to watch is Oklahoma's Clayton....then Edwards...then Williams....then Troy Williamson.

Mike Williams is a lil rusty but he has what it takes. BUT, for all you Williams fans listen up....
REGGIE WILLIAMS

1st round pick WR for the Jags last year. VERY similar size and skillset to Mike Williams (clones IMDO)...BUST.
Look what happened to R. Williams last season and it could very well happen to M. Williams this year.

But I would still take both and a moldy grilled cheese sandwich over Darnerian McCants.


PLEASE FEEL FREE TO POST THE EMERGENCY TRUNG CANDIDATE THREAD ASAP....THIS D-MAC IS AN ALL-STAR CRAP HAS.....

We're going to draft a CB, so Williams & Edwards will be on another team anyway

oafusp wrote:PLEASE FEEL FREE TO POST THE EMERGENCY TRUNG CANDIDATE THREAD ASAP....

Hey... I really liked him...

oafusp wrote:

1niksder wrote:

crzyvgs wrote:First of all Williams ran in the 4.5 - 4.6 range. Second of all why would anyone choose D. McCants over Mike Williams. Thats just plain silly. Besides all the speculation, which is interesting, i dont even think wr is a top priority anymore. Ide be surprised, albeit happy, if M. Williams is on our 2006 roster.

Actually the choice would be McCants and Mike Williams or Mccants and pass on Mike Williams .

DMac will cost us a little over $1M this year $1.3M if we let himgo before the draft. What would Williams cost.

I still go back to Williams being out of organized football for a whole year, plus the moves that have been made in the offseason so far. I just don't see a need for a WR when we could use a guard which means would should trade down, Or we could pick up another postion of need at #9 like CB-DE

I am not high on Williams...but again...D-Mac or Mike Williams???? Are you kidding me? See above.

The WR in the draft to watch is Oklahoma's Clayton....then Edwards...then Williams....then Troy Williamson.

Mike Williams is a lil rusty but he has what it takes. BUT, for all you Williams fans listen up....
REGGIE WILLIAMS

1st round pick WR for the Jags last year. VERY similar size and skillset to Mike Williams (clones IMDO)...BUST.
Look what happened to R. Williams last season and it could very well happen to M. Williams this year.

But I would still take both and a moldy grilled cheese sandwich over Darnerian McCants.


PLEASE FEEL FREE TO POST THE EMERGENCY TRUNG CANDIDATE THREAD ASAP....THIS D-MAC IS AN ALL-STAR CRAP HAS.....

Seeing Reggie on the regular bases I disagree I'd stick with McCants. The reciever the Jags drafted later has been better

My point was I would not use the pick on Williams when we have other needs.... and we won't be chosing between the two because one is under contract and one isn't a member of the league yet.

I read your other post and you posted the rookie numbers of teams with established offenses with returning QBs and coaches for the most part and they were all starters and McCants didn't even play his 1st year.
McCants had Ramsey and everyone who ever took a snap at UF as QB his whole career
McCants best year he posted a 13.3 ypc average 6 Td's and 7 catches over 20 yards.
I'm not make excuses for D-mac. He is what he his, but to throw him out with the bath water because Williams may be available can only be attributed to lack of forthought.
McCants is a proven redzone receiver and Williams is a potential (we'll see what his potential really is) superstar.
What happens to the great Mike Williams if Paul walks up ther to the podium and says "With the 1st pick in the 2005 NFL draft the $(ers select WR USC Mike Williams. What happens to all that potential with kaos all around him.

We have McCants and other needs. We have no true number one WR. whoever wants the job will let their feeling be known (hopefully on the feild)

oafusp wrote:

1niksder wrote:How many catches did the so called top receiver in the draft have last year on any level.

Rookie Season 2004:
err, Mike Clayton -TB: 80 catches, 1193 yards, 7 TD's

Then...Roy Williams -DET: 54 catches, 817 yds, 8 TD's

Then....Lee Evans -BUF: 48 catches, 843 yds, 9 TD's

NOW....Darnerien McCants CAREER 2001-2004 (3 seasons!):
53 catches, 687 yards, 8 TD's

The question was ...
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1niksder wrote:How many catches did the so called top receiver in the draft have last year on any level.

You posted stats of Clayton, Williams, and Evans very good numbers but none of them are available in this year's draft...
The statement was made that Mike Williams USC, WR (the next big thing...Sorry Brock) and of course there were no stats for him because He hasn't been on the field with 21 other guys in over a year

ANT7088 wrote:We're going to draft a CB, so Williams & Edwards will be on another team anyway

That would be a waste of a pick IMO. I'd trade down for my picks before doing that. Why waste a high pick on something we already have?

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

ANT7088 wrote:We're going to draft a CB, so Williams & Edwards will be on another team anyway

That would be a waste of a pick IMO. I'd trade down for my picks before doing that. Why waste a high pick on something we already have?

It would have to be detirmined to be a need for us to draft a CB. Do we need a corner is the question...

Trading down down would be a good move if we could stay in the top 20