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Almost every sports writer and reporter has us taking Mike Williams. A lot of people are mentioning it. Kiper, Times writers, Fitzgerald etc. Of course every Skins rep. is being tight lipped about who they're looking at but I'm getting the same feeling I had last year when a lot of people had us taking Sean Taylor at 5. Same type of media coverage. Same type of subtle name dropping. Obviously it's nothing to bank on but... I definitely have that feeling again. As of right now who is the most logical bet for us at 9? According to Gibbs & Co. there aren't anymore free agency targets. Gibbs must feel like he's done what he could in FA. A lot depends on Smoot but I feel like it's not that big of a problem even if he does leave. Apparently a lot of other people do too. Right now it looks Mike at 9 or trade down if he's not there. Especially if the Coles trade goes down. I can't see two years of first round picks going to the defense. Especially on a Gibbs team that lacked offensive firepower last year.

Ahhh, the joys of speculation...

EasyMoney wrote:Almost every sports writer and reporter has us taking Mike Williams. A lot of people are mentioning it. Kiper, Times writers, Fitzgerald etc. Of course every Skins rep. is being tight lipped about who they're looking at but I'm getting the same feeling I had last year when a lot of people had us taking Sean Taylor at 5. Same type of media coverage. Same type of subtle name dropping. Obviously it's nothing to bank on but... I definitely have that feeling again. As of right now who is the most logical bet for us at 9? According to Gibbs & Co. there aren't anymore free agency targets. Gibbs must feel like he's done what he could in FA. A lot depends on Smoot but I feel like it's not that big of a problem even if he does leave. Apparently a lot of other people do too. Right now it looks Mike at 9 or trade down if he's not there. Especially if the Coles trade goes down. I can't see two years of first round picks going to the defense. Especially on a Gibbs team that lacked offensive firepower last year.

Ahhh, the joys of speculation...

Someone made a valid point earlier and I agree:

1. Mike Williams will be drafted in the top 12
2. The Tennessee Titans cut WR Derrick Mason
3. The Tennessee Titans hired Norm Chow (USC) as their OC
4. Mike Williams went to USC and starred under Chow's offense
5. Titans draft before the Skins and will draft Williams to play in a familar offense his rookie year

oafusp wrote:

EasyMoney wrote:Almost every sports writer and reporter has us taking Mike Williams. A lot of people are mentioning it. Kiper, Times writers, Fitzgerald etc. Of course every Skins rep. is being tight lipped about who they're looking at but I'm getting the same feeling I had last year when a lot of people had us taking Sean Taylor at 5. Same type of media coverage. Same type of subtle name dropping. Obviously it's nothing to bank on but... I definitely have that feeling again. As of right now who is the most logical bet for us at 9? According to Gibbs & Co. there aren't anymore free agency targets. Gibbs must feel like he's done what he could in FA. A lot depends on Smoot but I feel like it's not that big of a problem even if he does leave. Apparently a lot of other people do too. Right now it looks Mike at 9 or trade down if he's not there. Especially if the Coles trade goes down. I can't see two years of first round picks going to the defense. Especially on a Gibbs team that lacked offensive firepower last year.

Ahhh, the joys of speculation...

Someone made a valid point earlier and I agree:

1. Mike Williams will be drafted in the top 12
2. The Tennessee Titans cut WR Derrick Mason
3. The Tennessee Titans hired Norm Chow (USC) as their OC
4. Mike Williams went to USC and starred under Chow's offense
5. Titans draft before the Skins and will draft Williams to play in a familar offense his rookie year

That's a more than valid point...and seeing as how the Titans are getting younger...

This is my positive way of looking at this scenario:

Win 1: Whoever is there that the coaches want we take!

Win 2: The player is not there - we trade down for more picks! This draft is considered by many to be very deep and we get the potential players that turn into diamonds!

Cannot lose! And (so far) we have not gone crazy to win the "offseason shootout", that we have "won" the last few years! "Offseason winners" do not do very well in the "real season" - we know this well! Welcome to the "trophy" puke fans!

We are going to be fine this year. The defence will be better with or without Fred (would be nice to have him!) it's a good system and Greg will make it better. The offense will have Gibbs with something to prove and it will be better!

Looking forward to it - no worries mates!

The Titans have holes EVERYWHERE. I can see the Titans taking Williams but I can also see them taking players in a lot of different positions. Defensive line, Offensive line, Cornerback the list for what they need goes on and on. Didn't they lose most of their talent on D? I'm sure that Chow is going to bark in Fishers ear about how good Williams is but going on that kind of speculation alone... that would be like Saben taking Wilkerson just because he coached him at LSU.

EasyMoney wrote:The Titans have holes EVERYWHERE. I can see the Titans taking Williams but I can also see them taking players in a lot of different positions. Defensive line, Offensive line, Cornerback the list for what they need goes on and on. Didn't they lose most of their talent on D? I'm sure that Chow is going to bark in Fishers ear about how good Williams is but going on that kind of speculation alone... that would be like Saben taking Wilkerson just because he coached him at LSU.

Yea but a team in that position needs a moneymaker. Face it Bud Adams has always been about the almighty dollar and Mike Williams catching passes from McNair would sell tickets.

Primetime42 wrote:

EasyMoney wrote:The Titans have holes EVERYWHERE. I can see the Titans taking Williams but I can also see them taking players in a lot of different positions. Defensive line, Offensive line, Cornerback the list for what they need goes on and on. Didn't they lose most of their talent on D? I'm sure that Chow is going to bark in Fishers ear about how good Williams is but going on that kind of speculation alone... that would be like Saben taking Wilkerson just because he coached him at LSU.

Yea but a team in that position needs a moneymaker. Face it Bud Adams has always been about the almighty dollar and Mike Williams catching passes from McNair would sell tickets.

What about Williams catching passes from Volek? That's a more likely scenario. We all know that even if McNair comes back, that he can't make it through a season.

I think we will try to move up and take Cleveland's spot at #3 or Chicago's at #4 to get Williams, if not we move down and get Mark Clayton or Troy Williamson.

oafusp wrote:

EasyMoney wrote:Almost every sports writer and reporter has us taking Mike Williams. A lot of people are mentioning it. Kiper, Times writers, Fitzgerald etc. Of course every Skins rep. is being tight lipped about who they're looking at but I'm getting the same feeling I had last year when a lot of people had us taking Sean Taylor at 5. Same type of media coverage. Same type of subtle name dropping. Obviously it's nothing to bank on but... I definitely have that feeling again. As of right now who is the most logical bet for us at 9? According to Gibbs & Co. there aren't anymore free agency targets. Gibbs must feel like he's done what he could in FA. A lot depends on Smoot but I feel like it's not that big of a problem even if he does leave. Apparently a lot of other people do too. Right now it looks Mike at 9 or trade down if he's not there. Especially if the Coles trade goes down. I can't see two years of first round picks going to the defense. Especially on a Gibbs team that lacked offensive firepower last year.

Ahhh, the joys of speculation...

Someone made a valid point earlier and I agree:

1. Mike Williams will be drafted in the top 12
2. The Tennessee Titans cut WR Derrick Mason
3. The Tennessee Titans hired Norm Chow (USC) as their OC
4. Mike Williams went to USC and starred under Chow's offense
5. Titans draft before the Skins and will draft Williams to play in a familar offense his rookie year

Ok Oafsup, have you also seen that most draft experts have Braylon Edwards going ahead of Mike Williams, I understand about the USC connection, but wont they take the " better " reciever???

Our draft experts don't have Edwards above Williams... it's all subjective.

Scout has Edwards over Williams...not that Scout.com is right...

http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=71&p=9&c=12&nid=83

Has anyone heard of MClayton???????
He'll do just fine in our offense. Williams is not the only answer, there's others too.

I hope we get Williams, we need a true possession reciever.

hogred wrote:I think we will try to move up and take Cleveland's spot at #3 or Chicago's at #4 to get Williams, if not we move down and get Mark Clayton or Troy Williamson.

I can all but guarantee that we won't trade up. I also don't think that trading down is going to be as easy as everyone seems to think. There is little incentive to trade up into the top ten in this draft. I suspect that Gibbs will definitely seek to trade down but will anyone be offering anything?

Chad

IMO we can't even begin to speculate about our pick until Smoot signs here or somewhere else. I don't think we'll bypass Pac-man if we lose smoot to another team.

Anyone who thinks the Skins are going to trade up is plumb nuts.
The Skins need help at WR, DE, MLB and DB and we have no second round draft pick. Secondly, we dont have the cap room to move up and pay a 6-10 million dollar signing bonus for the 3rd or 4th pick in the draft and lastly I don't think there is that "one" player the Skins must have from this draft.

I honestly think the Titans will go defense. Last year, the offense was very explosive and the Titans do have a nice crop with Drew Bennett, Tyrone Calico, Kris Brown, Ben Troupe and either McNair or Volek at QB. The team completely cleaned house on defense, except Bulluck. They need a potential superstar at defense and the closest thing is Pac-Man Jones.

Now the four teams I have to worry in the draft are the Chicago Bears, the Tampa Bay Bucs, the Dallas Cowboys and the Minnesota Vikings. The Bears are likely to pick WR, but they're in a line of getting maybe a RB like Ronnie Brown if Miami does get Edgerrin James. The closest team that may move up is the Bucs because I think Cleveland just wants defense and maybe they get Pac-Man or Derrick Johnson from Texas, and the Bucs get either Edwards or Brown. Minnesota could be the deal-breaker. If Plaxico is going to the Vikings, no question the Vikes will go defense and maybe pickup Pac-Man or trade down. Watch out for Dallas because they got two picks in the top 20 and Minnesota and Dallas might screw up our process and get Mike Williams. The Skins likely scenario is Troy Williamson or trade down with San Diego or any team that might want Dan Cody.

I think the Skins should do is try to get a tall, physical WR at FA first if they know someone is going to pick Williams. If they can't find a tall, productive receiver, then go to the draft, trade down and get more picks to get either a Matt Jones or a Vincent Jackson. Other than that, just add depth.

hatsOFF2gibbs wrote:Has anyone heard of MClayton???????
He'll do just fine in our offense. Williams is not the only answer, there's others too.

The knock on Clayton is his height of course. But he is another guy who can be good in the right offense.

That's your deep threat right there.

To be quite honest, much like last year, this is another deep class for WR's. I wouldn't be surprised to see 4-5 go in the first round. Maybe 6

I used to be on the Williams' bandwagon for this draft.

Then I thought about it. I would like Williams a lot more if Ramsey knew how to throw with some touch for some fades into the endzone, like Randy Moss or Terrell Owens. But with Ramsey's arm and Clayton's speed, I think we get more for our money with Clayton now.

Tommorrow I may have a new opinion. Overall, i think the redskins are in a win-win position for the draft, regardless of what "need" we fill.

BossHog wrote:Our draft experts don't have Edwards above Williams... it's all subjective.

I think there's a lot of confusion about how players are ranked. Most message boards grade drafts on how closely a site came to accurately predicting the order of the actual NFL draft. A lot of sites concentrate on how accurate than can be rather than how the player actually performs as a pro.

I've had the privilege of seeing two different NFL teams' "boards" after the fact and was stunned both times by how much they varied from the draft site consensus.

This is why some teams get panned for reaching in the first round when it turns out they grabbed a great player. (remember all the slack the Colts took for grabbing James in front of Williams. Who turned out right there? Or even "reaching" for Freeney?)


My personal board of "best players" looks nothing like my board of "where they will be drafted".

Who knew that Michael Clayton would be the best WR last year or Anquan Boldin the year before? (I had Boldin second behind Bryant Johnson so it's a homerun afer a strikeout).

I have Clayton as the best WR in the draft, but I may be wrong.

The only way to accurately guage the draft is to wait until after the glut of FA is over and take educated guesses. IF Coles and Gardner stay in DC, WR is probably not an option. If that's the case and Smoot leaves, Jones and Rolle looke good at #9. If Smoot stays and Coles/Gardner leave, everything points to WR.

Maybe Jansen's rehab isn't going as planned (only the Redskin's doctors really know) and Barron is the choice. There's just too many scenarios playing out to make an accurate forecast.

EasyMoney wrote:Almost every sports writer and reporter has us taking Mike Williams. A lot of people are mentioning it. Kiper, Times writers, Fitzgerald etc. Of course every Skins rep. is being tight lipped about who they're looking at but I'm getting the same feeling I had last year when a lot of people had us taking Sean Taylor at 5. Same type of media coverage. Same type of subtle name dropping. Obviously it's nothing to bank on but... I definitely have that feeling again. As of right now who is the most logical bet for us at 9? According to Gibbs & Co. there aren't anymore free agency targets. Gibbs must feel like he's done what he could in FA. A lot depends on Smoot but I feel like it's not that big of a problem even if he does leave. Apparently a lot of other people do too. Right now it looks Mike at 9 or trade down if he's not there. Especially if the Coles trade goes down. I can't see two years of first round picks going to the defense. Especially on a Gibbs team that lacked offensive firepower last year.

Ahhh, the joys of speculation...

Actually, more than half had us taking KW. This draft, Gibbs will likely be looking to trade down. And for those who don't see how we could trade down, if your picking 20-32nd, of course you'd like to get to the #9 spot. There are a lot of teams that would give us their 1st and 2nd for the #9 spot. The question is how beneficial would it be for us to move from 9 to like 25 in the first and 2nd. If we don't get a good enough trade offer, Gibbs will take the best player available and that doesn't necessarily mean WR...

Scottskins wrote:
Actually, more than half had us taking KW. This draft, Gibbs will likely be looking to trade down. And for those who don't see how we could trade down, if your picking 20-32nd, of course you'd like to get to the #9 spot. There are a lot of teams that would give us their 1st and 2nd for the #9 spot. The question is how beneficial would it be for us to move from 9 to like 25 in the first and 2nd. If we don't get a good enough trade offer, Gibbs will take the best player available and that doesn't necessarily mean WR...

Agreed, it was between KW and ST. A lot of people went one way with it and a lot of people went the other. When it came down to looking at both of those players I knew they were going to take ST over KW. Didn't he have 11 picks his senior year, 2 returned for TD's? It was some absolutely crazy number like that. A player with that build and a stat line like his last year in college couldn't be ignored. I get that same feeling about Mike Williams. If he is there at 9 and not all but most signs point to WR... he'll be a Redskin. His build, stat line from the last year he played can't be ignored. Good football player, all over the field much like a ST on offense.

Well, I'm starting to think you guys are gonna be either looking at DE as a slight priority over WR at this point.

I've been wrong before though.

That's my thinking too Primetime. But, with the Coles trade, I could see them taking Williams if he is there though. I personally don't think we need a prototypical WR, but Gibbs might.

Scottskins wrote:

EasyMoney wrote:Almost every sports writer and reporter has us taking Mike Williams. A lot of people are mentioning it. Kiper, Times writers, Fitzgerald etc. Of course every Skins rep. is being tight lipped about who they're looking at but I'm getting the same feeling I had last year when a lot of people had us taking Sean Taylor at 5. Same type of media coverage. Same type of subtle name dropping. Obviously it's nothing to bank on but... I definitely have that feeling again. As of right now who is the most logical bet for us at 9? According to Gibbs & Co. there aren't anymore free agency targets. Gibbs must feel like he's done what he could in FA. A lot depends on Smoot but I feel like it's not that big of a problem even if he does leave. Apparently a lot of other people do too. Right now it looks Mike at 9 or trade down if he's not there. Especially if the Coles trade goes down. I can't see two years of first round picks going to the defense. Especially on a Gibbs team that lacked offensive firepower last year.

Ahhh, the joys of speculation...

Actually, more than half had us taking KW. This draft, Gibbs will likely be looking to trade down. And for those who don't see how we could trade down, if your picking 20-32nd, of course you'd like to get to the #9 spot. There are a lot of teams that would give us their 1st and 2nd for the #9 spot. The question is how beneficial would it be for us to move from 9 to like 25 in the first and 2nd. If we don't get a good enough trade offer, Gibbs will take the best player available and that doesn't necessarily mean WR...

if we can get a 1st and second for our #9... i would do that.. we could get an offensive lineman.. and roscoe parrish... that guy is going to be special... he is under the radar scope b/c he played with a terrible college qb...