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Listen up Redskin faithful....I have not responded to any of the offseason issues so here is my two cents. Relax, Relax, and relax then repeat. Gibbs is trying to fix twelve years of mismanagement so dont expect it to be fixed in one or two seasons because it took more than one season to create the problems. He has gotten rid of or in the process of getting rid of everyone I wanted out except for coles. The only remaining players I want cut are Brunell and Samuels.

These great offseasons of years past have produced nothing but a bloated cap. This team must learn to be fiscally responsible and not overpay because it makes no sense. If Smoot and Pierce want to leave let them go...if history teaches anything they are very replacable. If we can get by without Lavar we certainly can get by without Antonio and Smoot. The key to the free agent system is good drafts and prudent management of the salary cap. Teams must learn which players to keep and which ones to let go. It has passed the time for this organization to learn that lesson. Another lesson that needs to be learned is the trading away of draft picks.

It will be okay because what the Redskins really needed is consistency on the coaching staff and we finally have that. Once Gibbs figures out his offense we will be fine.

Why do you say Samuels has to go? His agent is not out there spewing stuff, he is obviously working with the organization to get something done. I saw for a fact that the man work his butt off in training camp. Just curious why you want him gone?

NikiH wrote:Why do you say Samuels has to go? His agent is not out there spewing stuff, he is obviously working with the organization to get something done. I saw for a fact that the man work his butt off in training camp. Just curious why you want him gone?

The reason he needs to go is that he is not worth what we are paying and frankly he has never played anywhere near justifying the type of salary he earned last year. I cant think of any team that would give him that much money. Another reason is that he is not cooperating with the restructuring of his deal.

Wait a second KK how do you feel about Jon Jansen?? Because much of a similar situation happened with him a few years ago. Although his resigning deal went through out the regular season. Don't assume Samuels is at fault for this taking so long. Everyone in our FO is realizing what you are, we are short on money and they are not going to rush into anything.
As far as his ability you are entitled to your opinion I just don't agree with it. I think that Samuels showed major improvement just between last year and this year. And that was with little continuity among his linemen. I won't argue that point here though. We just have to agree to disagree.

NikiH wrote:Wait a second KK how do you feel about Jon Jansen?? Because much of a similar situation happened with him a few years ago.

Jansen is arguably the better Lineman...but he makes far less money than Samuels because Samuels was drafted high, has name recognition, and ProBowl visits.
So its not really a similar situation.

Sorry Nikih I have to agree with KK, and please don't compare apples to oranges Jansen has more than proven his worth at a lesser salary than Samuels, and when your selected # 2 in the draft more is expected, and I don't consider samuels play this year any better than last year. Nor has he played at a Pro bowl level since 2000. He needs to restructure or be traded! I would rather see ray brown play left tackle at least we could use his age as an excuse for giving up sacks, and would probably still be a better run blocker than samuels.

It is as simple as this: if he re-structures his contract, he stays. Otherwise, he is gone. Why is it so complicated otherwise?

I agree canada but the restructure would need to be alot less and I don't think his business investments or ego will allow it.

Wow RIC can the attitude. This didn't involve you and if you'd like to come into a thread with an attitude you might as well stay out of it. My point about Jansen was simply that it taking a long time doesn't mean the problem is Samuels. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.

I'm sorry nikih but if samuels is not the problem then who is? I see a player expected to get 9 mil and hasn't even earned what he has already made. And if I recall correctly Samuels refused to restructure last year do to his investment in some housing development while admitting he has not played to his potential.

NikiH wrote:Wait a second KK how do you feel about Jon Jansen?? Because much of a similar situation happened with him a few years ago. Although his resigning deal went through out the regular season. Don't assume Samuels is at fault for this taking so long. Everyone in our FO is realizing what you are, we are short on money and they are not going to rush into anything.
As far as his ability you are entitled to your opinion I just don't agree with it. I think that Samuels showed major improvement just between last year and this year. And that was with little continuity among his linemen. I won't argue that point here though. We just have to agree to disagree.

Jansen has proved his worth. He may be the best run blocking tackle in the league. He has held his own against Strahan twice a year since he came in the league. Jansen is making no where 10 million a year and Samuels could not carry Jon's jock. I like Chris but is simply not worth what we are paying him. If you dont perform you have to go or at least take a pay cut.

Let me just add this. While I am very disappointed in Samuels play, his current contract is not his fault. He's been restructured like 2 times already. That's why his cap hit's are so huge the next two years.

I would get rid of Samuels based on what I've seen in games, but apparently Buges disagrees. I'll go with whatever Buges says. But, the fact remains that Samuels has to either restructure or get cut. We have no choice. I think he will restructure, so it shouldn't be a problem. I do hope that they don't pay him any more than Jansen or Thomas is making though. They have both outperformed him and while his position is more important with Ramsey in there, I think equal contracts would be fair. We could put bonuses in his contract if he does good things though.

NikiH wrote:Wow RIC can the attitude. This didn't involve you and if you'd like to come into a thread with an attitude you might as well stay out of it. My point about Jansen was simply that it taking a long time doesn't mean the problem is Samuels. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.

Now, What did I do? All I am saying is that him staying with us is NOT an issue relating to his performance, which has been good according to Joe. What I am saying is that his salary is impossible to keep this season without re-structuring.

I like him very much as opposed to others in this thread. But the salary cap is a reality. And the issue comes to managing the cap EVEN if we need to sacrifice a good player.

So, I stand by my statement but I feel it might have been misundertood.