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cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Doctson has seen few targets.. AND percentages lie- how many of those (incompletes) were flags? Equate that into the mix and tell me how bad he is?


Give him more reps- and if he is a Malcom Kelly- walk him tfooh

You've seen him play. Doctson can't catch a cold. The percentages don't lie in his case.

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:I saw what you saw.. The giants are trash man... And it was close late. Breezy is a sav, and the O is potent hence my remarks about bottling up Kumara and playing good db game.. My point was more that the D is trash and we can cut em early then cut em deep... Hope for good D play and walk away with a close dub.

I think we are saying the same thing?

Seems on point!

Yep, Docson has been mediocre, to say the least.
But Crowder has also been on/off for quite some time now.

Let's accept it, guys: since Garcon and Jackson left,
this unit has seen a big slump in productivity. We have no clear no. 1 receiver.

Our revamped running game is hiding the ugly truth.

247 Sportsline has us ranked at #19 going into this week's game

"Figuring out the Washington Redskins is no easy task, and the fact that they spent the past week on a bye did not help.
Their last win (a home game against current #9 Green Bay Packers) made them look very good, while their last loss (a home game against current #24 Indianapolis Colts) made them look very bad.
A road trip to play current #4 New Orleans Saints on MNF should provide some much-needed clarity on this confusing team. The Saints offense will be helped by RB Mark Ingram's return following a 4 week suspension"

I just dont see mediocre as 3 targets a game if that.. And one drawing a large penalty each game.

Is he not getting any separation or is AS being to conservative?
JDoc had a nice qould be td catch (a fade!) But the db ripped it out at the last moment. Cant fault him for good db play

SkinsJock wrote:247 Sportsline has us ranked at #19 going into this week's game

"Figuring out the Washington Redskins is no easy task, and the fact that they spent the past week on a bye did not help.
Their last win (a home game against current #9 Green Bay Packers) made them look very good, while their last loss (a home game against current #24 Indianapolis Colts) made them look very bad.
A road trip to play current #4 New Orleans Saints on MNF should provide some much-needed clarity on this confusing team. The Saints offense will be helped by RB Mark Ingram's return following a 4 week suspension"

#19 seems more than fair. I wouldn't say the GB game was decisive exactly. They played well, but also got a little lucky.

This seems to be an improved team from last year, but the jury is definitely still out.

Who do you think shows up on MNF? A fresh team coming off a bye week and a big win eager to take the next step? Or one of those insanely flat, infuriating teams we've routinely seen come out and embarrass us all in big moments? Just never know with this franchise...

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:I just dont see mediocre as 3 targets a game if that.. And one drawing a large penalty each game.

Is he not getting any separation or is AS being to conservative?
JDoc had a nice qould be td catch (a fade!) But the db ripped it out at the last moment. Cant fault him for good db play

Man, I'm as a big a homer as there is. But its hard to argue Docston has been anything better than average IMO. "Average" would be kind.

Im with that... We all had high hopes for him.. But why are we not throwing him more 50 50 balls? We saw some impressive grabs in camp and it just seems coach and or Alex aren't dialing those up.

I dont have the coaches tape so it may very well be a separation issue- but even then, he has a huge vertical- why arent we lobbing it up for him to go get it? Trust? Chemistry? Fear of the int? Or what? Is he drawing double coverages to open up underneath routes? Idk

Doctson is also missing practice again with yet another heel injury.

riggofan wrote:... This seems to be an improved team from last year, but the jury is definitely still out.

Who do you think shows up on MNF? A fresh team coming off a bye week and a big win eager to take the next step? Or one of those insanely flat, infuriating teams we've routinely seen come out and embarrass us all in big moments? Just never know with this franchise.

in recent years the Redskins have not shown us much - the Redskins lose too many games they should have won
I do not think that this is a game that we should win - it would be a huge step forward if we see a concerted effort from everyone

overall our offense is not that good but our defense is playing a lot better than expected

2-2 for the first 4 games is OK - IF the defense continues to get better, we could very well go 3-1 in the next 4

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Doctson is also missing practice again with yet another heel injury.

Meanwhile Ryan Grant was 6 catches for 58 yards last night. 24/246/1TD this year.

Just very frustrating.

riggofan wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Doctson is also missing practice again with yet another heel injury.

Meanwhile Ryan Grant was 6 catches for 58 yards last night. 24/246/1TD this year.

Just very frustrating.

Nothing would please me more than to get something out of Michael Floyd, who will probably be playing this weekend. Sean Payton recently said he thinks Floyd has a lot of football left in him. Of course he said the same about Adrian Peterson but in that case QED.

riggofan wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Doctson is also missing practice again with yet another heel injury.

Meanwhile Ryan Grant was 6 catches for 58 yards last night. 24/246/1TD this year.
Just very frustrating.

a lot of questionable decisions the past few seasons regarding who to keep and who to let go ....

SkinsJock wrote:

riggofan wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Doctson is also missing practice again with yet another heel injury.

Meanwhile Ryan Grant was 6 catches for 58 yards last night. 24/246/1TD this year.
Just very frustrating.

a lot of questionable decisions the past few seasons regarding who to keep and who to let go ....

Yeah, you know I agree with the decisions let DJax and Garcon walk. Still believe those were the correct choices, even though those guys are good players. But Grant was a reliable player that was drafted and developed by the team. By all accounts Gruden liked him. He's on a one year $5m deal with the Colts. Seems like the Skins could have afforded that.

I saw Snyder is selling his $49m Scarface mansion out in Potomac. So maybe he's finally feeling the financial crunch of running the team into the ground??

Probably upgrading because of running the team into the ground.

I admit to being very biased against this idiot - I also concede that we've added some good players and staff the past few years ...

the fact remains - this franchise needs to do more to overcome what has happened - turnarounds are not possible with faulty leadership

I'm torn between wanting to do well and wanting to see more changes which will possibly happen if we don't do well

SkinsJock wrote:I admit to being very biased against this idiot

lol. Who isn't?

SkinsJock wrote:I'm torn between wanting to do well and wanting to see more changes which will possibly happen if we don't do well

Yeah I get what you're saying. The "wanting to see more changes if we don't do well" thing scares me though. Be careful what you wish for.

Snyder might try different approaches now and then, but he's never really going to change. I think the best thing to save the franchise would be for a coach to have some success. A really popular, winning coach who Snyder would be afraid to cross. (Basically what we had for a few years with Gibbs.) Just hard for any coach to come in here and have that kind of success.

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:I admit to being very biased against this idiot

lol. Who isn't?

SkinsJock wrote:I'm torn between wanting to do well and wanting to see more changes which will possibly happen if we don't do well

Yeah I get what you're saying. The "wanting to see more changes if we don't do well" thing scares me though. Be careful what you wish for.

Snyder might try different approaches now and then, but he's never really going to change. I think the best thing to save the franchise would be for a coach to have some success. A really popular, winning coach who Snyder would be afraid to cross. (Basically what we had for a few years with Gibbs.) Just hard for any coach to come in here and have that kind of success.

IMO things have changed here ... a little - not long ago this franchise was in such disarray that no good coach would want to coach here - in came Jay Gruden - Snyder's not 'interfering' like he used to - if things don't go well this season we may see some new guys in charge and they might be 'allowed' to bring in a good HC

riggofan wrote:I think the best thing to save the franchise would be for a coach to have some success. A really popular, winning coach who Snyder would be afraid to cross. (Basically what we had for a few years with Gibbs.) Just hard for any coach to come in here and have that kind of success.

You mean like Shanahan, who Snyder readily crossed? Things like that are why no really good coach wants the job.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:You mean like Shanahan, who Snyder readily crossed?

Yeah, seems like Shanahan should have fit that bill exactly. He didn't win immediately when he came here though to get the kind of clout I think would be needed.

And I don't want to rehash that whole era again, but the way Shanahan claims things went down, the way he allowed himself to be completely steamrolled by Snyder, I'll just never understand.

Hyped for the Saints rematch tonight.

riggofan wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:You mean like Shanahan, who Snyder readily crossed?

Yeah, seems like Shanahan should have fit that bill exactly. He didn't win immediately when he came here though to get the kind of clout I think would be needed.

And I don't want to rehash that whole era again, but the way Shanahan claims things went down, the way he allowed himself to be completely steamrolled by Snyder, I'll just never understand.

Hyped for the Saints rematch tonight.

No one wants to relive that (except maybe SkinsJock ) but I tend to think that maybe we should stop changing things for the sake of change. It wouldn't hurt to maintain some semblance of consistency instead of always pulling a "Schottenheimer" and changing things because the results are good but not good enough. Speaking of good coaches who weren't allowed to do the job for which they were hired ... I'll stop now.

Man, would we be in a good spot with a win tonight. New Orleans isn't a pushover offensively. They do give up a lot of points though. If our defense can prevent a shootout I think we have a good chance.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:but I tend to think that maybe we should stop changing things for the sake of change.

Agree 100%.

I will say though that I honestly think the roster this year is pretty good. They've got a lot of young talent, okay depth. Its pretty wild to see how many former Redskins are now playing and starting for other teams. Normally guys leave this team and couldn't make a roster somewhere else. My point being that if Gruden doesn't get it done this year and is let go, this is a time where I could see someone else coming in and having some success right off the bat next year. Wouldn't have to be a complete rebuild like most new coaches have faced here.

Look at what McVay took over from Jeff Fisher for example. Pretty nice to walk into a team like that. Not saying this roster is quite at THAT level, but still.

riggofan wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:but I tend to think that maybe we should stop changing things for the sake of change.

Agree 100%.

I will say though that I honestly think the roster this year is pretty good. They've got a lot of young talent, okay depth. Its pretty wild to see how many former Redskins are now playing and starting for other teams. Normally guys leave this team and couldn't make a roster somewhere else. My point being that if Gruden doesn't get it done this year and is let go, this is a time where I could see someone else coming in and having some success right off the bat next year. Wouldn't have to be a complete rebuild like most new coaches have faced here.

Look at what McVay took over from Jeff Fisher for example. Pretty nice to walk into a team like that. Not saying this roster is quite at THAT level, but still.

Teams will adjust to what McVay is doing and next year it won't work. That's how it always goes with new coaching schemes. Our biggest issue is going to be replacing Adrian Peterson if he becomes the 1200 yard rusher he's on pace to be this season.

Shanny wasn't steamrolled in DC. He made the best with what he had and then
imploded this organization when things started going south and he did not get what he wanted.
He and his guys were an "insider source" for many NFL journalists that published
the disastrous inner workings of this organization.

So yeah, I would call it a wash. He didn't pull any punches against Snyder. He just made those hits
in a secretive way and he made them quick. Both of them are millionaires, though, so I could care less
about their careers. The fact is the team basically recovered two years down the road after he left
(and that was just by pure luck with the 4th round Cousins pick).

About tonight? I'm really anxious about Brees. He's about to break records and he cherishes the spotlight.
He could do it tonight against our team, which is never a good thing.

We got bamboozled... Focused on stopping Kumara and Breezy went ham. As a fan i made the same mistake- stop him and we are good.... NOPE. Coach shouldve known they would air it out to get the record- we fell right into the trap.

Next.