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DEHog wrote:There have been some pretty low points in the Dan Snyder era, but the lowest of lows IMO was December 28th 2014. 30K Cowboys fans chanting “let’s go Cowboys” in a meaningless game (they had clinched the division) at FedEx beating the Skins 44-17…I can only imagine what was going on in the owners suite. Dan Snyder saw his future that day…this put the wheels in motion to hire a competent GM. …we’ll see where it goes from here??

I'll go with May 1999, when Snyder basically stole the team out from under John Kent Cooke. It's been a complete train wreck the last 25 years. Or a dumpster fire. Take your pick. The highs have been short-lived and the lows have been extended and exacerbated by the owner's personal Napoleon complex. Honestly, at this point, I hope he either dies or sells the team before I die. If this team were to somehow win another championship in my lifetime I'd still want Dan Snyder gone. He's a complete embarrassment to what was once the case-in-point example of how to own and operate a football club. Now the organization is a case-in-point example of dysfunction at every level. "Here's what not to do, kids!"

The game you mention is just a symptom of a much larger problem. The owner is a man with too much money and not nearly enough brain power. All he's good at is sticking it to people.

DEHog wrote:There have been some pretty low points in the Dan Snyder era, but the lowest of lows IMO was December 28th 2014. 30K Cowboys fans chanting “let’s go Cowboys” in a meaningless game (they had clinched the division) at FedEx beating the Skins 44-17…I can only imagine what was going on in the owners suite. Dan Snyder saw his future that day…this put the wheels in motion to hire a competent GM. …we’ll see where it goes from here??

Always going to be hard to beat the RG3/Seahawks game. Just going from completely elated to completely crushed like that.

For some reason though this game at Fedex in 2000 will always stick with me as a personal low. I was at Fedex field completely surrounded by Giants fans. Every single one of them acting like a complete douche of course. We lost the game because our 44 year old kicker - the fourth kicker that year - missed, I believe, at least three kicks that day including a game winner. Look at some of the memories included here, how ridiculous it sounds. You could replace the names here just about any year since then.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/ar ... 0Dec3.html

The Washington Redskins might have sealed their fate for this season on a day filled with more offensive futility, place-kicking misadventures and locker-room angst. They also may have said their goodbyes to Coach Norv Turner and, in effect, quarterback Brad Johnson.

A late comeback bid led by backup quarterback Jeff George failed because of a controversial instant-replay reversal and a 49-yard field goal attempt by veteran kicker Eddie Murray in the final minute that fell short. The Redskins lost to the New York Giants, 9-7, before 83,485 yesterday at FedEx Field, and moved a step closer to missing the playoffs.

Well I was speaking to what led to SM being hired but I also thought it was the low point…of course you both gave great examples…here’s another one...lots to choose from!!

DEHog wrote:Well I was speaking to what led to SM being hired but I also thought it was the low point…of course you both gave great examples…here’s another one...lots to choose from!!

Fake News! The crowd was huge! Tremendous! Believe me!

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

DEHog wrote:Well I was speaking to what led to SM being hired but I also thought it was the low point…of course you both gave great examples…here’s another one...lots to choose from!!

Fake News! The crowd was huge! Tremendous! Believe me!

The Redskins won that day. Period.

Many 49ers fans believe they have the worst owner in the NFL with Jed York. Jed York aspires to be Dan Snyder. Jed has only been part of operations since 2008.
We all know who's the worst owner it all started about 20 years ago.

The lowest point was the swinging gate game.
I don't need to describe it just watch for you younger fans who think it's bad now.https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... D5r78lcQag

My main point is it can get far worse.
Snyder still has the crown for worst owner until he somehow wins a SB.
However as of right now the team still has a solid foundation to build off of. Granted we still need more pieces.

I am thankful that Scotts short tenure here did make a difference. If Scott had not been here who knows how the team would look now with the roster and outlook.

There's no doubt it can get worse but it wouldn't take much for it to get better - that's the issue here - we have an owner that does not want things to get better unless he gets all the credit for it

there will be players and coaches brought in and the spin machine will get cranked up and it will not amount to very much because there's no accountability and there's no respect - this franchise will be made up of players and coaches doing what they do and getting paid well for it

there's little chance of getting to the Super Bowl, which should be everyone's goal - not here, not with this guy in charge


I'll be watching and hoping we get lucky, that's what is left

I certainly don't believe the sky is falling but its's really frustrating watching an owner who has no idea how to run an organization...it isn't that hard!

How about this example...

I have a Director who works for my Assistant, then me.

Today at 9am auditors are coming into that division to do a full scale audit that impacts the organization going forward, my assistant, me, and the employees in that division. I come to work at 7am and fire the Director.

We've had issues with the Director for 18 months.

Danny and Bruce (me and my assistant) fire GM Scott (Director) the day Free Agency Began...for the love of God. Really? The audit is beginning today!!!! Was there NO inkling the Director (Scott) wasn't going to be around for the pre audit, the audit, etc??

Is there NO planning going on? The 2016 season ended in January, did Bruce talk to Danny? Say, we have an issue, and we've had it for 15-16 months...did they wait to make a decision? Did they even talk about Scott until the Combine? Does Danny not talk to Bruce? Really??

On top of that -- 5-6 days earlier at the audit pre-meeting (combine), we told Scott not to come AND my Assistant (Bruce) said - Scott will be back when he resolves his issues. 4 days later we fire him....the day the audit begins!

I know as the boss I did a lot more planning, thinking, communicating than these baboons do in a decade...stupid!

(You did not see me say, they shouldn't have fired Scott...that's not my point!)

Dan Snyder wants this franchise to be better - I really do think that this is true

all NFL franchises have people who have jobs to do in order that the franchise can function properly

Dan Snyder's only problem is that he does not want anyone that works for him to get the credit for making the franchise function better

SkinsJock wrote:Dan Snyder wants this franchise to be better - I really do think that this is true

all NFL franchises have people who have jobs to do in order that the franchise can function properly

Dan Snyder's only problem is that he does not want anyone that works for him to get the credit for making the franchise function better

If Snyder really wanted the team to be better he would get rid of Bruce "I'm only here because of my last name" Allen, hire football people, and just sign the effing checks. It worked for Cooke.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:If Snyder really wanted the team to be better he would get rid of Bruce "I'm only here because of my last name" Allen, hire football people, and just sign the effing checks. It worked for Cooke.

I think that's unfair. Allen is a football guy whether we like him or not. He played, he was drafted, he coached briefly at the college level and he's got 20+ years of experience as an NFL exec. No doubt his last name helped him along the way, but that's hardly something unusual in the NFL. McCloughan was helped by family connections the same way.

I don't know that Snyder needs to get rid of Allen. But he does need to hold some of these guys (BA included) accountable for messes like we saw this offseason, and I still believe he needs to change that front office structure. Seems likely to me that Allen/Snyder are still running personnel and football things more than they should be.

I disagree a little with SJ's comment too that "Dan Snyder wants this franchise to be better". Maybe he does want it, but the problem has been that he doesn't NEED this franchise to be better. The team has been an utter failure under his ownership but still manages to be one of the most valuable franchises in sports.

It's hard to imagine that Dan Snyder just wants to own the team and not want the product on the field to be better

we think we know what it takes to make things better but Dan Snyder wants to be the person that is responsible for that happening

riggofan wrote:I think that's unfair. Allen is a football guy whether we like him or not. He played, he was drafted, he coached briefly at the college level and he's got 20+ years of experience as an NFL exec. No doubt his last name helped him along the way, but that's hardly something unusual in the NFL. McCloughan was helped by family connections the same way.

If Allen is such a football guy why did they hire McCloughan?

even though we all may think it's a no-brainer to pay whatever it takes to keep Cousins or that this franchise needs to have top notch NFL guys in charge, making all the decisions, Dan Snyder's unwillingness to do those things does not mean he doesn't want the franchise to be better - he just doesn't know that's the path he should take - there's really no 'logic' or common sense to much of what these guys do here

So far the moves made by Allen have been solid.
I also agree with letting Jackson, Francois, Garcon and Baker go.
Jackson and Garcon were both 30 years or older and would cost too much. Signing Pryor and Quick were two solid moves.
Francois and Baker weren't that good. With the aforementioned our defense was terrible.

I only wish we would of signed a proven DT. We signed two rotational DL but we didn't break the bank.

Allen also has Kirk signed one more year. If he has a good draft maybe just maybe we can make a run at the playoffs.

^^ and I'll bet that he's not the only one thinking this way ... with Dan Snyder running things as he has done since 1999, the future does not matter as much as the present - it does not matter that we might not have a QB next season, all that matters is that we have a chance at making the playoffs this season - Dan Snyder can trade away a bunch of picks to move up and get a QB - he's done it before

Dan Snyder is all about himself and the here and now - things might get better, but not based on what we've seen here for almost 20 years

It's not about what Bruce Allen does or might do - this is all about Dan Snyder messing with stuff that he doesn't have a clue about

you just keep believing that stuff HEROHAMO - we'll be better - "who cares about next season ... just make sure people buy into this season"



we all know what's about to happen here - this is a nightmare

I doubt that the Redskins can improve by looking only at free-agents. Redskin management looks like that of the LA Angels: empty farm-system, ownership and management point to the free-agents they have signed or will sign. Not a way to build a team, as Dan Wilkenson tells us.

I heard of a $38 million dollar fine going against our cap space, something to do with the RG3 deal. Any truth to this?

SkinsJock wrote:It's not about what Bruce Allen does or might do - this is all about Dan Snyder messing with stuff that he doesn't have a clue about

Like what?

I'm already bored with the Snyder whining personally. What exactly has Dan Snyder done in the past year or two that equals "messing with stuff that he doesn't have a clue about"? I would ask for specifics, but I already know that there are none. The only thing I've heard over the past two weeks is that "he's the owner so he's responsible for everything".

These guys are either going to assemble a team of good football players or they won't.

Please give us a reason to think that this franchise can extract itself from the image of failure that we have owned under Dan Snyder's guidance as owner of this franchise - what makes you think they can "assemble a team of good football players"? Is it because they or he has failed so miserably, in the past, that they or he is suddenly going to get very lucky - how is that happening?

why is it that I feel they are most likely to not be able to assemble a good team? - help me out here - what have these guys or Dan Snyder done, that makes you kind of 'support' Dan Snyder - you're right in that he's done nothing to 'deserve' criticism but what has he actually done over the past almost 20 years to show us that he's not the sole reason for all this mis-management?

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:It's not about what Bruce Allen does or might do - this is all about Dan Snyder messing with stuff that he doesn't have a clue about

Like what?
I'm already bored with the Snyder whining personally. What exactly has Dan Snyder done in the past year or two that equals "messing with stuff that he doesn't have a clue about"? I would ask for specifics, but I already know that there are none. The only thing I've heard over the past two weeks is that "he's the owner so he's responsible for everything".

These guys are either going to assemble a team of good football players or they won't.

what on earth makes you think there's even a slight chance "These guys are going to assemble a team of good football players ... ?"

they have never given us any indication that they know how to do that - what on earth are you basing this on?

oj wrote:I heard of a $38 million dollar fine going against our cap space, something to do with the RG3 deal. Any truth to this?

Where did you hear this? I haven't heard it anywhere. It sounds like complete nonsense. It would literally be impossible for the team to cut $38 million in cap space from this roster. Everyone with any kind of salary cap figure except Cousins is signed beyond 2017, meaning there would be dead cap.

SkinsJock wrote:what on earth makes you think there's even a slight chance "These guys are going to assemble a team of good football players ... ?"

1) I didn't say "These guys are going to assemble a team of good football players". I said "These guys are going to assemble a team of good football players or they're not". We'll find out in September.

2) We had a top five offense last year. We won more games than we lost. Are you saying we did that without assembling good football players? Pretty cool trick.

SkinsJock wrote:they have never given us any indication that they know how to do that - what on earth are you basing this on?

Really? We've had two consecutive winning seasons and a good offense for the first time in forever. I know, I know. Scot McCloughan did that all himself. We're dooooooooooooomed.

Snyder is a crap owner. We get it.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

oj wrote:I heard of a $38 million dollar fine going against our cap space, something to do with the RG3 deal. Any truth to this?

Where did you hear this? I haven't heard it anywhere. It sounds like complete nonsense. It would literally be impossible for the team to cut $38 million in cap space from this roster. Everyone with any kind of salary cap figure except Cousins is signed beyond 2017, meaning there would be dead cap.

I think he's talking about the salary cap fine from a couple years ago.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

oj wrote:I heard of a $38 million dollar fine going against our cap space, something to do with the RG3 deal. Any truth to this?

Where did you hear this? I haven't heard it anywhere. It sounds like complete nonsense. It would literally be impossible for the team to cut $38 million in cap space from this roster. Everyone with any kind of salary cap figure except Cousins is signed beyond 2017, meaning there would be dead cap.

It was one of them things that came up in a conversation, I got the impression they were paying it down. A few other things came up that commanded my attention and I didn't get back to the fine.